halo twenty eight. hesitation marks. 09.03.2013

[hobochic]

Hesitation Marks: giving "Impossible Pain" credibility in 2013.

[Henrie_Schnee]

well, i looked up the meaning of 'hesitation marks' and it refers to wounds made to one's self either leading up to the final cut that causes suicide, or before changing one's mind and deciding to not commit suicide. basically, they are less severe cutting marks caused by attempts to build up courage before attempting the final, fatal wound that causes death. so the lyrics of the song 'hurt' could in fact be the 'hesitation marks' in a way... the lyrics describe him self-harming but end on the optimistic note 'i would find a way....' meaning he did not actually go through with suicide at the end.
so it would seem to me with all of these tie-ins to 'the downward spiral' that he may be trying to pick up where he left off. to perhaps apply more of a modern mind-set to what he was exploring on 'the downward spiral' in terms of concept/texture/etc... i feel it will be very similar album in concept/execution, but will be better musically/lyrically because he's matured more in both music-production and lyric concepts since '94 when 'downward spiral' came out. mind you, this album is coming out just months short of TDS' 20th anniversary, so it's very much uncanny that there's all these very obvious tie-ins. it may possibly be a proper follow-up conceptually to TDS. or it may not? it just seems strange that there's alot of similarities between the two so far...

Thank you!
This is why I joined ets in the first place.

[Ryan]

I agree, but I can't imagine the artwork, font, etc. is because TR was like, "man those were cool . . ." Each album has had its own identity including artwork. The similarities on this are too huge to dismiss as totally unrelated.

I think the album will have its own sound, but I'm fully expecting some relation to TDS in concept.

Yes, precisely.

[sheepdean]

If any UK peeps wanna preorder suicide wounds HM, recordstore.co.uk has it up REALLY cheap http://www.recordstore.co.uk/recordstore/recordstore/Hesitation-Marks/2MYY0000000?back=search.html%3Fterm%3Dhesitation%2 Bmarks

(note: I've used them a lot, I know they'r not very well known, but they're legit)

edit: 14.44 inc. postage AND they take paypal.

[sentient02970]

The album hasn't been released yet. I've heard one track. I'm ready to judge it based on the whole. So far, I like what I see and hear. I'm optimistic that Reznor (after all these years) knows what the heck he's doing. I'm excited to see what he has in store for all of us. Does that mean I expect something "different"? Yes but I'm also aware he has his way of finding themes in music that keep with him from album to album...if he shows that, cool. Looking forward to this one big time!

[thebigcomedown]

In my opinion, the new album will be a continuation of the story arc of TDS. The new single sounded to me like reflecting on a near death expierience. I think the theme will be post suicide attempt that the character was brought back from, with a more profound appreciation of the gift of life. Or maybe I'm way off base, and we'll get Closer II :P

[mfte]

Hesitation Marks: giving "Impossible Pain" credibility in 2013.

Don't forget "Improbable Pain" now.

[Jon]

If any UK peeps wanna preorder suicide wounds HM, recordstore.co.uk has it up REALLY cheap http://www.recordstore.co.uk/recordstore/recordstore/Hesitation-Marks/2MYY0000000?back=search.html%3Fterm%3Dhesitation%2 Bmarks

(note: I've used them a lot, I know they'r not very well known, but they're legit)

edit: 14.44 inc. postage AND they take paypal.

Is that the cheapest you've seen the UK version with worldwide shipping?

[sheepdean]

Is that the cheapest you've seen the UK version with worldwide shipping?
With international shipping, you'll probably want to shop around a bit - that IS the cheapest I've seen the disc (and the vinyl is £10 more minimum on other sites), but their international shipping rates I have never had to check. However, their packaging is really A+, so it'd survive international transit better than, say, modlife :P

[ManOfAtom]

20.99 for the record on Banquet. I can fully vouch for these dudes, a great indie shop in south london. i'm sure they'll list the deluxe at some point.
http://www.banquetrecords.com/NINhesmar13

[Jon]

Thanks, guys.

$80.96 for all versions shipped from Recordstore.co.uk (52.17 quid)

EDIT: that should make the JP versions about $90-100 when they become available.

[ManOfAtom]

they are on amazon.co.uk now, although the details aren't up so it's impossible to tell which CD version is which.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hesitation-Marks/dp/B00D8WTBNY
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hesitation-Marks-VINYL/dp/B00D8WTBLQ
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hesitation-Marks/dp/B00D8WTBRK

what's interesting ("interesting") is the Polydor are releasing this in the UK.

[InversePhase]

It's a long shot, but maybe one of the remixes will be by inverse phase.
Probably not this time around, but maybe in the future =]

[Scarlet Siren]

20.99 for the record on Banquet. I can fully vouch for these dudes, a great indie shop in south london. i'm sure they'll list the deluxe at some point.
http://www.banquetrecords.com/NINhesmar13

I second Banquet Records :)

[jmtd]

Probably not this time around, but maybe in the future =]

I had a fantasy about locking myself away for an evening with a tracker and bottle of some spirit or other and knocking out a CBH-H-H remix, but ended up with other plans. Anyway I'm anxiously awaiting others to do it!

[witte]

they are on amazon.co.uk now, although the details aren't up so it's impossible to tell which CD version is which.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hesitation-Marks/dp/B00D8WTBNY
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hesitation-Marks-VINYL/dp/B00D8WTBLQ
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hesitation-Marks/dp/B00D8WTBRK

what's interesting ("interesting") is the Polydor are releasing this in the UK.

German internet store: http://www.jpc.de/s/nine+inch+nails
"Polydor" is mentioned here too
Expensive...

[thetourist]

amazon.de has them for pre-order too.
Vinyl for 23,99 Euros
CDs for 12,99 Euros and 17,99 Euros.

[simonn]

Ordered Deluxe CD from Amazon UK - for delivery on release date (the 2nd in the UK) for £12.76. It's even cheaper at Sainsburys - £10.99 delivered, but that would arrive on probably the 5th from previous experience. Still, very impressed with the online price over here, NIN.com can't compete with that!

Happy days!

[Totally]

Thirteen, twelve, eleven ...

[Indefinite_Cure]

Thirteen, twelve, eleven ...

I would not have understood that you're counting the weeks unless I would have done it myself...11 is a lot!

[jmtd]

There's got to be (got to be!) something else out in the interim. Perhaps once the tour starts (4-5 weeks?)

[MrSlfDstruct]

http://twitter.com/trent_reznor/status/347400467309027328/photo/1

I'm gonna put this here with the assumption it's album related.

[Kid Charlemagne]

http://pitchfork.com/news/51231-david-lynch-to-direct-nine-inch-nails-came-back-haunted-video/

WELP

[butter_hole]

looks like we'll be hearing the album in august*

http://i.imgur.com/zdkHE6h.png







*unless it leaks early!

[pukkelpop]

Tracklist
1) "The Eater of Dreams" (0:52)
2) "Copy of A" (5:23)
3) "Came Back Haunted" (5:17)
4) "Find My Way" (5:16)
5) "All Time Low" (6:18)
6) "Disappointed" (5:44)
7) "Everything" (3:20)
8) "Satellite" (5:03)
9) "Various Methods of Escape" (5:01)
10) "Running" (4:08)
11) "I Would for You" (4:33)
12) "In Two" (5:32)
13) "While I'm Still Here" (4:03)
14) "Black Noise" (1:29)

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/nine-inch-nails-unveil-hesitation-marks-tracklist-and-credits-20130621#ixzz2Wr86FajW

[jmtd]

Well those are some intriguing song titles and a real different feel to previous albums (even HTDA ones)


Additional Musicians:
Pino Palladino
Lindsey Buckingham
Adrian Belew
Eugene Goreshter
Alessandro Cortini
Ilan Rubin
Joshua Eustis

[ryanj101]

Woah...Lindsey Buckingham!?

[jmtd]

It really feels like a guitar album is on the way

[eversonpoe]

Woah...Lindsey Buckingham!?

yeah, i'm REALLY fucking excited!!!

[ambergris]

I also have to say, wow, Lindsey Buckingham.

[Maximilian]

Ahh, Mr. Buckingham. He only plays fingerstyle.

Interesting...

[ryanj101]

For some reason, Lindsey's involvement makes me think about how awesome NIN cover of the Fleetwood Mac song Tusk could be...

[BenAkenobi]

Number 13's abbreviation: WISH. We'll have fun referring to that one upon release, or we'll be frustrated. Or both.

[sheepdean]

11) "I Would for You" (4:33)

First ever NIN love song?

Yes I know we have no idea what the song's about, but speculation is fun.

[gorny540]

Really sucks we have to wait 10 weeks for this...

[andre78]

How the hell this band can get me excited just by revealing titles of new songs I don't honestly know.

"Copy of A" brings back not too fond memories of "Capital G". "Various Methods of Escape" sounds like an instrumental piece. And how fun wouldn't it be if "Running" turn out to be an Information Society cover?

[hobochic]

"I Would For You"

First ever NIN love song?

Yes I know we have no idea what the song's about, but speculation is fun.

It's about Meat Loaf and finally doing "that".

[spahn]

very intriguing song titles indeed. having to wait almost 2.5 months to listen to this album is going to be the most difficult thing. we can only hope that little snippets or a couple of other songs get "leaked" prior to september 3rd.

[pukkelpop]

very intriguing song titles indeed. having to wait almost 2.5 months to listen to this album is going to be the most difficult thing. we can only hope that little snippets or a couple of other songs get "leaked" prior to september 3rd.
tour starts end of next month, they'll play new songs.. and they start in the land of the great cams

[Ruined]

When I initially read the title, "I Would For You," I thought of the Jane's Addiction song. A possible cover? Either way, I am looking forward to this one, especially with the interesting musicians involved. I'm also curious how many new songs will be unveiled during the NIN summer/festival dates. This is great!

[R-Dot-Yung]

I'm sure I'm just fanboying, but god these song titles look good to me, I'm so excited I just can't hide it.

[sheepdean]

It's about Meat Loaf and finally doing "that".
Considering "that" is domestic abuse and abandonment, I sure hope not :P

But yeah, the song titles are interesting (All Time Low is an odd one. I mean, I'm sure it's not about the band, but they kind of have the monopoly on that phrase now).

[somewhat_]

While TDS was more about a "character's" downward spiral, I believe this album will be more about TR's personal downward spiral with a positve turn towards the end of the album:

"I would for you" - something about his relationship with his wife

"In Two" - the children

"While I'm Still Here" - something about the importance of family and realizing he needs to make the most of those relationships while he is still around.


Of course, this will all be laughably wrong once the album comes out. Even if I am somewhat correct, I'm sure it won't be that obvious and all will be left up to your own interpretations.

[fortheloveofgod]

Sweet he is covering Dave Matthews! Didn't think we would see a track list till release, streams or leak. Looking forward to it.

[ambergris]

(All Time Low is an odd one. I mean, I'm sure it's not about the band, but they kind of have the monopoly on that phrase now).

First thing a thought of was David Bowie's Ashes to Ashes: "Strung out in heaven's high hitting an all time low".

And something else, The Eater of Dreams, is that a metaphor for time? That song "While I'm still here" sounds as if it's about what Trent wants to do with the rest of his life (and Black Noise might symbolize death).

[Bokononist]

Well this has been an interesting week. I guess I'll go work on my Holiday Road/Came Back Haunted mashup now.

[frankie teardrop]

Sweet he is covering Dave Matthews! Didn't think we would see a track list till release, streams or leak. Looking forward to it.

haha damn, i came into this thread to post that joke. kind of excited about lindsey buckingham playing on the record though!

[henryeatscereal]

When I initially read the title, "I Would For You," I thought of the Jane's Addiction song. A possible cover? Either way, I am looking forward to this one, especially with the interesting musicians involved. I'm also curious how many new songs will be unveiled during the NIN summer/festival dates. This is great!
I hope it's a cover, everyone knows Trent is a fan of JA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXzxnvrqmO4

[simonn]

My first thought was Pino Palladino, not ex-Who, but ex-Gary Numan. Introduction to the new NIN studio bass player for y'all:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNDqzpgzdis

Song is Music for Chameleons for the uninitiated, from Numan's 'I, Assassin' album.

[halo33]

I hope it's a cover, everyone knows Trent is a fan of JA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXzxnvrqmO4

First thing I thought of as well. Would be interesting, but I prefer when he saves the covers for singles/soundtracks and whatnot.

[pigpen]

It's definitely that song. For sure.

[thevoid99]

I love that Jane's Addiction song. It's one of my favorites. I'm stoked over the fact that Lindsey Buckingham is playing on the album. Dude is an amazing guitarist.

[Toadflax]

Some of these sound like joke titles (yes, I know they're not). "All Time Low," "Disappointed," "Black Noise," "The Eater of Dreams," etc. sound like B sides off Strobe Light. That said, I remember being wary of a song called "We're In This Together" based on the title, and that concern turned out okay.

"Kinda I Still Want To" would be a dealbreaker.

[thefragile_jake]

I'm sure I'm just fanboying, but god these song titles look good to me, I'm so excited I just can't hide it.

Same here! I don't mean to fanboy as much but it seems everything so far I've been incredibly happy with...the album title, art direction, the good choice for a strong catchy single...and now especially these song titles.

I just like the way they sound...they feel like classic NIN titles but still something I wouldn't have necessarily expected. I'm really intrigued by Disappointed, Copy of A and Running.

Does anyone remember back in ETS when With Teeth came out they were separate threads for each song? That'd be kind of cool to do that again...

[simonn]

Some of these sound like joke titles (yes, I know they're not). "All Time Low," "Disappointed," "Black Noise," "The Eater of Dreams," etc. sound like B sides off Strobe Light.

I like the title Black Noise! And All Time Low sounds reassuringly melancholic.

In the meantime I see Fleetwood Mac are trending in the UK, mainly due to the NIN announcement!

[miss k bee]

Woah...Lindsey Buckingham!?

Just found out this while watching Fleetwood Mac documentary on TV.

Just pre-ordered deluxe album on Amazon, bring it on!

[FULLMETAL]

http://i.imgur.com/w7RAwbj.png
Did we find out who the mystery person was? Could it have been Lindsey Buckingham?

[allegro]

For some reason, Lindsey's involvement makes me think about how awesome NIN cover of the Fleetwood Mac song Tusk could be...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hHBfCtkyoQ

[jessamineny]

As far as "I Would For You" is concerned, put my vote in for it being an homage to the JA song and not a cover. He has no history of including cover songs on NIN albums proper, unless they're bonus tracks, but he does have a history of referencing things he admires (like naming his band How to Destroy Angels). Seeing how this is his "big return" with NIN, I'd be shocked to see a cover (though I certainly wouldn't mind :D).

[Fred]

Speaking of song titles that have been used before, the Canadian band FM's "Black Noise" is a favourite of mine. Especially in this early arrangement:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zose15iYVM

Not holding my breath for Trent to cover this one, though.

Fun fact: FM's violinist, Nash the Slash, would later wrap himself up in bandages, go solo and perform with... Gary Numan! So, as random as this post may seem, there is a fun connection here.

[pigpen]

As far as "I Would For You" is concerned, put my vote in for it being an homage to the JA song and not a cover. He has no history of including cover songs on NIN albums proper, unless they're bonus tracks, but he does have a history of referencing things he admires (like naming his band How to Destroy Angels). Seeing how this is his "big return" with NIN, I'd be shocked to see a cover (though I certainly wouldn't mind :D).

A Warm Place is essentially a cover of Crystal Japan...

[carpenoctem]

Don't know what I was expecting exactly, but these songs titles are perplexing. I think it's just that I tend to gravitate towards bands who have interesting names for their songs, something distinctive where you know it's them right away. For instance, only Kevin Barnes would call a song "Malefic Dowery", or Sam Beam with "Godless Brother In Love", or Matt Berninger with "I Should Live In Salt", or Joanna Newsom with "Soft As Chalk" etc. - you just look at the title and think to yourself, "Yep, still the same band." (This is usually a comforting thought, unless the band's style has become boring.) Many of HM's song titles - "Everything", "Find My Way", "While I'm Still Here" - sound generic, like anyone from the top of the pops could've written them. Then there's "I Would For You", which is some maudlin Whitney Houston level shit.

This isn't a criticism, I just love getting the track list of an anticipated album and imagining what each one might sound like based on the name, and these are kind of blank slates - they could easily be Taylor Swift or something. (NOTE: I would love to hear a Taylor Swift song called "The Eater of Dreams." Someone please make this happen.)

[ibanez33]

http://i.imgur.com/w7RAwbj.png
Did we find out who the mystery person was? Could it have been Lindsey Buckingham?

I'm pretty sure it was Adrian Belew. He said they were doing some other stuff together when Trent got the idea to bring NIN back.

[jessamineny]

A Warm Place is essentially a cover of Crystal Japan...

But... it's not, and the similarity was accidental (http://www.ninwiki.com/A_Warm_Place)



I'm pretty sure it was Adrian Belew. He said they were doing some other stuff together when Trent got the idea to bring NIN back.

I remember, though, that Q RT'd TR's tease and added something like "so fucking excited!" which for some reason sounds more like Buckingham than Belew.

[pigpen]

Don't know what I was expecting exactly, but these songs titles are perplexing. I think it's just that I tend to gravitate towards bands who have interesting names for their songs, something distinctive where you know it's them right away. For instance, only Kevin Barnes would call a song "Malefic Dowery", or Sam Beam with "Godless Brother In Love", or Matt Berninger with "I Should Live In Salt", or Joanna Newsom with "Soft As Chalk" etc. - you just look at the title and think to yourself, "Yep, still the same band." (This is usually a comforting thought, unless the band's style has become boring.) Many of HM's song titles - "Everything", "Find My Way", "While I'm Still Here" - sound generic, like anyone from the top of the pops could've written them. Then there's "I Would For You", which is some maudlin Whitney Houston level shit.

This isn't a criticism, I just love getting the track list of an anticipated album and imagining what each one might sound like based on the name, and these are kind of blank slates - they could easily be Taylor Swift or something. (NOTE: I would love to hear a Taylor Swift song called "The Eater of Dreams." Someone please make this happen.)
That's pretty funny, actually. They COULD be Taylor Swift songs.. Maybe not Came Back Haunted, but the ones you mentioned, for sure...

[danebraddy]

http://i.imgur.com/w7RAwbj.png
Did we find out who the mystery person was? Could it have been Lindsey Buckingham?

I assumed it was Elton John for the QOTSA album.... but Buckingham would make sense because it isn't clear if TR and EJ were in the same session for Fair-weather Friends

[fortheloveofgod]

Think Trent made some connections with the music city documentary. I was kinda surprise Dave G. didn't show up on the album.

[imail724]

I'm pretty sure it was Adrian Belew. He said they were doing some other stuff together when Trent got the idea to bring NIN back.

Didn't Trent follow up that tweet saying that it was someone we would never expect? If so, I doubt its belew since they've worked together in the past. Buckingham makes more sense

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[ibanez33]

Think Trent made some connections with the music city documentary. I was kinda surprise Dave G. didn't show up on the album.

Dave was busy doing the new QotSA album and supposedly working on new Foo Fighters, and there have been rumors of a 2nd TCV album as well. He's been a pretty busy man lately.

[xerom]

Is it just me, or does Trent sort of resemble Cory Feldman in that picture with him and David Lynch?

[onthewall2983]

You know I wouldn't be too surprised if Lindsey was brought on to sing back-up, rather than play guitar. I hope it's both, but I'm throwing it out there as a possibility.

[Prettybrokenspiral]

Am I the only one who finds the song titles underwhelming? Sounds like the tracklist for the next Linkin Park album.

I'm going to be annoyed as fuck if any of the non-intro/outro tracks are instrumentals, too. We've had five albums-worth of instrumentals in the past five years, plus three instrumentals on the last NIN album alone. I won't be suffice with anything less than 12 fully formed songs between tracks one and 14.

[perceptionnexus]

It'd be fuckin sick if Pino recorded fretless bass for whatever he contributed to. Eugene from Autolux was an interesting choice, these guest appearances indicate that there's going to be some very interesting guitar parts on this album

[katara]

Am I the only one who finds the song titles underwhelming?
Kind of... The only one that really grabs me is The Eater Of Dreams, and that's just the intro. But then again, this is all completely out of context.

I much preferred the more cryptic methods of releasing information that have so far been completely absent from this release. Most 'official' news is not even on nin.com.

[jessamineny]

Most 'official' news is not even on nin.com.

That's likely because they're marketing to the masses with these releases of information.

[jmtd]

Lol at all the nerd rage. After all is said and done, we'll get what we deserve and swallow it all.

[katara]

Where's the rage? Did I miss something?

[pigpen]

I'm starting to be convinced that this is gonna be the weakest nine inch nails release to date.
from the title of the record, the rehashed artwork, the new logo, and now the song titles..
I have a sneaking suspicion that this is going to be a lackluster album..

hope i'm wrong

[BRoswell]

I'm starting to be convinced that this is gonna be the weakest nine inch nails release to date.

Key word here being "convinced". Sounds like you've made up your mind already.

[carpenoctem]

I'm starting to be convinced that this is gonna be the weakest nine inch nails release to date.
from the title of the record, the rehashed artwork, the new logo, and now the song titles..
I have a sneaking suspicion that this is going to be a lackluster album..

hope i'm wrong

Now now, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Frankly all of them could be called "I'm A Belieber (4 Lyfe)" and I'd still love them if they're near the level of his previous work.

[Fred]

Boy, you must've been a nervous wreck when the title of "With Teeth" was announced...

I think people are being way too harsh on this without having heard more than one song. Yes, the NIN logo got cut up again, the "Reznor"-font is back, he's using artwork by Russell Mills, the titles are different than they were in ye olden days... so what? He's rebranding NIN after a hiatus, and he chose to revisit the period where the band, in my view, had the strongest artwork. No offense to Rob, but the digital/analog glitches were starting to grate on me. I think the artwork that has been released is beautiful, and to say that it's recycled is an insult to Russell Mills. This is all-new artwork in the style of an artist, Trent wanted to work with. Would you blame Storm Thorgeson for reusing artwork just because there was often a red thread through his body of work?

Man, I often wonder if people would have gone as apeshit over "The Downward Spiral" and "The Fragile" if the Internet had been as prominent back then as it is now. I'm pretty sure they would've. "Who's Mr. Self Destruct?!", "Sheesh! There's a song on this named 'Starfuckers'?", "I hear he's singing about his granny on it. Conformist", "The artwork is just cut up photos of flowers. TR is a fucking faggot." Ad nauseaum. I'm sure there's some great fucking NIN music hiding underneath those "Hesitation Marks" titles. In fact, on release day, I may well dig up this post again so I can gloat over it. Unless it turns out he's released 14 variations upon "I Like Dudes". Then I'll admit defeat.

And no, I'm not trying to kill any discussions, but to dismiss the whole fucking album at this point is plain stupid. Take a chill pill and let Trent... you know... release it.

[pigpen]

Oh lord, I should have not said anything.
Is this thread purely for blind praise? Would you all be saying similar things had I said I thought it was going to be the best album he's ever done? I mean, that'd be equally presumptious of me wouldn't it?
I'm very sorry to have upset you guys.

to add to what I was originally saying, I've not been very impressed with the output of trez since year zero, and this, so far, doesn't look like it's going to be a huge leap forward from that sound. Which is fine, i don't feel like I'm owed anything, I'm just saying what I was thinking, ...you know, like you all are doing. I mean, I'm hoping it's good and will gladly eat crow if it is, I just feel like everything I've been exposed to so far has been kind of lacking in creativity and intrigue..

[gorast]

Oh lord, I should have not said anything.
Is this thread purely for blind praise? Would you all be saying similar things had I said I thought it was going to be the best album he's ever done? I mean, that'd be equally presumptious of me wouldn't it?
I'm very sorry to have upset you guys.

to add to what I was originally saying, I've not been very impressed with the output of trez since year zero, and this, so far, doesn't look like it's going to be a huge leap forward from that sound. Which is fine, i don't feel like I'm owed anything, I'm just saying what I was thinking, ...you know, like you all are doing. I mean, I'm hoping it's good and will gladly eat crow if it is, I just feel like everything I've been exposed to so far has been kind of lacking in creativity and intrigue..

Oh, stop acting like someone shot you in the dick for having an opinion.

It's fine to not be impressed with TR's latest output. The others were just pointing out that basing your expectations for an album on song titles ​is absurd.

[Amaro]

In the end...they're song titles...

I'm still as openminded about what music's on the album (aside from CBH, which certainly ain't a 10), if not more.

[BRoswell]

Oh lord, I should have not said anything.
Is this thread purely for blind praise? Would you all be saying similar things had I said I thought it was going to be the best album he's ever done? I mean, that'd be equally presumptious of me wouldn't it?
I'm very sorry to have upset you guys.

to add to what I was originally saying, I've not been very impressed with the output of trez since year zero, and this, so far, doesn't look like it's going to be a huge leap forward from that sound. Which is fine, i don't feel like I'm owed anything, I'm just saying what I was thinking, ...you know, like you all are doing. I mean, I'm hoping it's good and will gladly eat crow if it is, I just feel like everything I've been exposed to so far has been kind of lacking in creativity and intrigue..

When you say shit like "I'm starting to be convinced that..." when you've heard and seen pretty much fuck all from this album, that makes it sound like you've already made up your mind, in which case why should anyone care about your opinion?

As far as titles go...who cares? Does anyone really think Head Like A Hole, Starfuckers, Inc. or I Do Not Want This are amazing titles?

[BrokenSpiral]

I hope we get another song soon. Interesting collaborations.

[pigpen]

jesus, fine I take it all back.. This album will rule, go fuck yourselves

[jessamineny]

Criticizing your reasoning is not the same as saying "How dare you be a cunt and come in here and criticize He Who Shall Not Be Named?!?! ::: pitchforks:::" :rolleyes:

[BrokenSpiral]

Calm down, bro. People were just pointing out that it was silly to write off an album because of song titles. If you're in it for the song titles, that's fine. But it is pretty silly.

[BRoswell]

jesus, fine I take it all back.. This album will rule, go fuck yourselves

Hey, don't blame us just because you expected everyone to agree with you. If you're going to express your opinion, you have to expect people to disagree with you and challenge your viewpoint.

[Fred]

jesus, fine I take it all back.. This album will rule, go fuck yourselves

Only if you'll go fuck yourself with the giant-ass point you just missed.

[pigpen]

I understand, but to be fair.. I did say that it was more than just song titles..
artwork, logo, album name, AND song titles.
and I didn't say that because I was hoping to get people to agree, i was just sayin'

jesus

[Fred]

I get that. Despite my angry outbursts, I really do. But what you summed up there is still everything but the important part: the music.

[pigpen]

why is this thread open if the only thing that's important is the music we haven't heard yet?
I recognize that it's foolish to jusge a book by it's cover..but what about judging the cover itself?
also, an album is often enhanced by the artwork and titles that surround it, so I can say, with authority
that IMON and given what I just said, that this has been the weakest era as far as I'm concerned.

[jesus]

so anyone else noticed that "All Time Low" is the only explicit song on the album, I mean before the tracklist was releaved I was curious about that explicit track

[sheepdean]

so anyone else noticed that "All Time Low" is the only explicit song on the album, I mean before the tracklist was releaved I was curious about that explicit trackIt's just trent saying "fucking all time low, they fucking suck" over and over again.

Also, I still think it's not certain that that's the only explicit track. Though if it is, that's not a huge departure, he's been less and less sweary over the years

[BenAkenobi]

Oh, nin reused an old typeface. Big deal. I personally felt that complete redesign with each and every album wasn't necessary. Could use more recurring elements.
Would “the fragile” benefit from not using various fonts? Bullshit, right? Nobody discusses that now, contrary to “path we have chose”. But back to new one.
What i'm confused about is absense of a song titled “hesitation marks”. Thought it's about time, since “with teeth”. Was looking forward to one, alas... But that's just me.

[BrokenSpiral]

I'm sure it's been discussed, but a Janes Addiction cover? Interesting.

[sheepdean]

What i'm confused about is absense of a song titled “hesitation marks”. Thought it's about time, since “with teeth”. Was looking forward to one, alas... But that's just me.
I kinda wished there was one, would make the title choice a bit more logical

[BrokenSpiral]

I rather like that there isn't a "title track". It'll without a doubt be from a line in a song though.

[Fred]

I'm sure it's been discussed, but a Janes Addiction cover? Interesting.

If that is genuinely what it is. The "How to Destroy Angels" EP is unrelated to the Coil album, save the name, so the title doesn't say that much.

[simonn]

If that is genuinely what it is. The "How to Destroy Angels" EP is unrelated to the Coil album, save the name, so the title doesn't say that much.

Agreed, would be amazed if this was a cover song. And not in a good way.

[AgentofChaos]

Take this with a grain of salt, didn't see anyone post this, but a guy named Max Power commented on the original article with this;

"Nine Inch Nails even include a cover of Jane's Addiction's "I Would For You" on their new album "Hesitation Marks" which comes out in September. Trent Reznor commented "I've never included a cover song on an actual album before but I just couldn't hesitate, I mean, Perry was the one who suggested that we cover it, his friend Mark was there, actually funny story, Mark was the one who told me not to hesitate, that's how I came up with the name for the new album," chuckles...

[jessamineny]

That sounds absolutely nothing like Trent Reznor. "actual album" "I just couldn't hesitate" "actually funny story"

He would also never tell us such a lame fucking story about how he came up with the title of the album marking NIN's "big return." :rolleyes:

[slave2thewage]

I think we should go with Max Power on this. He has his own song, for crying out loud!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w3zdkmw2E4

[AgentofChaos]

Yeah I assumed it was some kind of joke, but it was a pretty random weird comment nonetheless.

[Broadbent]

Pino Palladino played on this record?!? I'm excited to hear his track, guy lays down killer bass lines. Please excuse the John Mayer, but it's a great example of his playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFgFFNXahcg

[witte]

@ericavery: “ @ericavery is NIN's “I would for you” a Jane's cover?” ha. no. but its one of my favorite of his new tracks.

[slave2thewage]

Goddammit, Avery, I wanted to keep guessing up until we got to hear snippets.

[jesus]

@ericavery: “ @ericavery is NIN's “I would for you” a Jane's cover?” ha. no. but its one of my favorite of his new tracks.
hahahahahha nice find

[simonn]

Another indication of Palladino's talent, on Numan's excellent She's Got Claws. Love the fretless bass sound:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_K93VLhlZk

[eversonpoe]

Another indication of Palladino's talent, on Numan's excellent She's Got Claws. Love the fretless bass sound:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_K93VLhlZk

sorry, Mick Karn from the band Japan was the bassist for Dance (other than Stormtrooper In Drag, on which Gary played bass and Paul Gardiner [Gary's old bassist], who wrote the song, played guitar). i actually prefer his playing to Pino's, because although it's still rooted in fretless improvisation, it's less all over the place and more focused.

[Amaro]

Thank the universe. I hate covers on albums.

[simonn]

sorry, Mick Karn from the band Japan was the bassist for Dance (other than Stormtrooper In Drag, on which Gary played bass and Paul Gardiner [Gary's old bassist], who wrote the song, played guitar). i actually prefer his playing to Pino's, because although it's still rooted in fretless improvisation, it's less all over the place and more focused.

Doh! I love Mick Karn's playing as well, had forgotten he hooked up with Numan. Gentleman Take Polaroids is one of my favourite 80's albums without a doubt!

[allegro]

Thank the universe. I hate covers on albums.
But this is my favorite ever because it is fucking awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVYjanB5qfc

[ensanchecedor]

So, everyone is listening to the album...I guess HM will be already leaked by the the time the guys play in japan :)

[Fist Fuck]

But this is my favorite ever because it is fucking awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVYjanB5qfc

It is. But it's on Broken, an EP. And even there as a hidden track.

I'm really glad I Would For You isn't a cover song. This would have meant there are only 11 original songs on the album (+Intro/Outro).

[eversonpoe]

i think the only proper full-length album with a cover that doesn't bother me is "The Sky's Gone Out" by Bauhaus, which opens with their cover of "Third Uncle" (originally by Brian Eno). that was my first Bauhaus album and they honestly couldn't have started the album in any other way.

[sheepdean]

Thank the universe. I hate covers on albums.
I think it's only jarring if they're a well known song. Look at Soft Cell, they covered Tainted Love, the original of which almost no one knew, and it flowed perfectly. Many great albums have covers on (and Broken totally counts as one)

[ryanmcfly]

I had a dream that previews of the songs came out and one of them had the piano from the beginning of "The Becoming" in it with some cool electronic beat and guitars.

[Amaro]

I think it's only jarring if they're a well known song. Look at Soft Cell, they covered Tainted Love, the original of which almost no one knew, and it flowed perfectly. Many great albums have covers on (and Broken totally counts as one)

Covers are just fine, I simply hate the merging of someone's creation so directly into a part of someone else's. I actually tend to remove them from an album. Sorry.

[BrokenSpiral]

Interesting. I for sure thought that'd be a cover.

[ZeroSum]

So glad it's not a cover. There are a few exceptions to this rule, but covers on albums typically seem incredibly tacky and usually end up detracting from the album's artistic integrity. Sometimes it can work out, usually with new bands that are talented but still trying to establish their identity, but for a band that is as hugely personal and has a legacy like NIN, I wouldn't like it. Physical gets an exception, because it's a hidden track. Imagine that as track three on Broken or something, though.... No thanks.

[snaapz]

No. If Dead Souls for example was on this LP (and not The Crow) I would have no negative feedback.

[jessamineny]

nm.............

[Ryan]

"Disappointed" immediately reminded me of the song by Morrissey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i9rL-rtX8c

"Satellite" immediately reminded me of the song by Depeche Mode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTOaNa4LcQw

"In Two" immediately made me think of Right In Two by Tool.


Point is, I love the titles. Black Noise sounds like the perfect name for a closing song.

[ambergris]

Oh, nin reused an old typeface. Big deal. I personally felt that complete redesign with each and every album wasn't necessary. Could use more recurring elements.
Would “the fragile” benefit from not using various fonts? Bullshit, right? Nobody discusses that now, contrary to “path we have chose”. But back to new one.
What i'm confused about is absense of a song titled “hesitation marks”. Thought it's about time, since “with teeth”. Was looking forward to one, alas... But that's just me.

What if....the songs themselves are the hesitation marks?

[snaapz]

What if....the songs themselves are the hesitation marks?


http://clpbookbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/bert.jpg

[jmtd]

Would “the fragile” benefit from not using various fonts? Bullshit, right? Nobody discusses that now, contrary to “path we have chose”.

I always mentally add the 'n' when I listen to that song.

[Ryan]

I always mentally add the 'n' when I listen to that song.

Me too. "Down the path we have chose...... -en. YOU AND MEEE..." and so on.

[hobochic]

Me too. "Down the path we have chose...... -en. YOU AND MEEE..." and so on.

Too funny, me too, exactly that way.

[butter_hole]

A bit like the missed syllable in The Big Comedown

[Max Leo]

Well, I've always thought that Trent obviously knows that it should be "chosen" and not "chose", but "chose" kind of sounds better than "chosen" in the song, so it would be a "poetic/literary/artistic licence", I guess that concept exists in the english language too, in my language it has several meanings, but one of them is that a writer, specially a poet, can ignore some grammar or ortographic rules if he/she thinks that it sounds better, and I always thought that when Trent wrote something incorrectly was in purpose as a literary licence (I'm not sure if this is the correct english term for the thing I'm talking about).

PS: I googled it, and it seems that it's the same in english. Maybe there are certain rules for its use, I'm not sure, but I've always thought that the popular meaning was "write whatever you want if you think that it sounds better". Some people use it as a lame excuse for their bad grammar and ortography, but I think it's pretty obvious when this is the case, and Trent must have read more than a couple of books and has written enough stuff to know his own language pretty well. I guess most of you already knew all of this, but I always read how some of you make fun of his bad english, so I'm not sure if some of you are actually serious about it. XD

[Ryan]

He could have said "down the path that we chose" instead, no?

[gorast]

Why is this still being debated fourteen years after the fact, in a topic that has nothing to do with it, no less?

[Ryan]

Because this is the path we have chose.

[Khrz]

We knew we were gonna get what we deserve, after all is said and done...

[ambergris]

Well, I've always thought that Trent obviously knows that it should be "chosen" and not "chose", but "chose" kind of sounds better than "chosen" in the song, so it would be a "poetic/literary/artistic licence", I guess that concept exists in the english language too, in my language it has several meanings, but one of them is that a writer, specially a poet, can ignore some grammar or ortographic rules if he/she thinks that it sounds better, and I always thought that when Trent wrote something incorrectly was in purpose as a literary licence (I'm not sure if this is the correct english term for the thing I'm talking about).

PS: I googled it, and it seems that it's the same in english. Maybe there are certain rules for its use, I'm not sure, but I've always thought that the popular meaning was "write whatever you want if you think that it sounds better". Some people use it as a lame excuse for their bad grammar and ortography, but I think it's pretty obvious when this is the case, and Trent must have read more than a couple of books and has written enough stuff to know his own language pretty well. I guess most of you already knew all of this, but I always read how some of you make fun of his bad english, so I'm not sure if some of you are actually serious about it. XD

Poetic license

[jmtd]

Lol at all the nerd rage. After all is said and done, we'll get what we deserve and swallow it all.


We knew we were gonna get what we deserve, after all is said and done...

Yup indeed

[Khrz]

Damnit, and here I felt so mindblowingly original !

[Sapo]

This discussion isn't meant to last. This is for right now.

[Indefinite_Cure]

This discussion isn't meant to last. This is for right now.

Wow! Even when Trent isn't getting us all crazy saying things like "soon" or "tick tock tick tock", we all go flip flop flip flop flip...

On a serious note, it's entertaining to see all the instagram photos of the band members, Eustis' latest pic looks like some drum charts for The Eater of Dreams (it's tagged as "dream") so we have an album opener with drums!? :D

[ZeroSum]

Some NIN lyrics will always hau hau haunt us.

I am most intrigued by "Copy of A." And of course, "Eater of Dreams" is going to segue into it perfectly. I'm hoping for something like the Pinion/Wish combo... or "Now I'm Nothing" into "Terrible Lie" perhaps?

[wight rabbit]

Me too. "Down the path we have chose...... -en. YOU AND MEEE..." and so on.

I always sing, "Down the path that we chose" in my head. Same flow and avoids that error.


He could have said "down the path that we chose" instead, no?

Oh. Yeah, I guess Ryans think alike.

[Shadaloo]

a bit like the missed syllable in the big comedown

find a place with the failed and fageeeeehn

[Ryan]

find a place with the failed and fageeeeehn

LOL! That one gets me every time I hear it.

Trent needs to pop in here and simply state: "Fuck you guys."

[dominik]

LOL! That one gets me every time I hear it.

Trent needs to pop in here and simply state: "Fuck you guys."

He does that on Facebook nowadays. Last time there were some people arguing that the deadmau5 HTDA remix is what the whole album should sound like and he just wrote "aaaand fuck all of you."

[Ryan]

"The destiny I've chose.... (n), all becoming clear."

[BenAkenobi]

take my sincerest and humblest of apologies for accidentally bringing up that taboo theme :eek:

[ensanchecedor]

I enter the new album thread to find a useless debate about grammar in a song written years ago instead of commenting the video cortini uploaded a few hours ago on instagram, which I really hope is an excerpt of one of the new songs.

[Ryan]

I enter the new album thread to find a useless debate about grammar in a song written years ago instead of commenting the video cortini uploaded a few hours ago on instagram, which I really hope is an excerpt of one of the new songs.

Do you think to post the video to Instragram was the best path to have chose?

[Reznor2112]

I enter the new album thread to find a useless debate about grammar in a song written years ago instead of commenting the video cortini uploaded a few hours ago on instagram, which I really hope is an excerpt of one of the new songs.

Dammit you beat me!

[ensanchecedor]

Do you think to post the video to Instragram was the best path to have chose?

Damn, I laughed so hard I think I hate you :D

[fillow]

How long are you gonna chat before actually reposting the said video here?

[ensanchecedor]

Well...forget about cortini videos, adrian belew just posted sth on his facebook wall, a new, apparently bitter song about someone with a heart like a hole. I feel there's gonna be a lil gossip about this in the next months.

[Reznor2112]

How long are you gonna chat before actually reposting the said video here?

Because you can only view the video on instagram...

Its the top left post
http://instagram.com/alehan

But the video doesnt play on computers

[Dimitri.]

Direct link for the lazy : http://instagram.com/p/bDSNjUKjaR
Sounds familiar. And good.

[fillow]

But the video doesnt play on computers

It does.
Thanks for the link.

[jesus]

It does.
Thanks for the link.
can you rip it and upload it?, I'm colecting previews of this album and I cant rip the video

[jesus]

can you rip it and upload it?, I'm colecting previews of this album and I cant rip the video

I añready rip it, thanks anyway

[butter_hole]

find a place with the failed and fageeeeehn
I actually meant "there is a pla I can go.."

[jmtd]

Direct link for the lazy : http://instagram.com/p/bDSNjUKjaR
Sounds familiar. And good.

Fantastic, thanks. Reminds me of the HTDA snippets they posted prior to the first ep. I still recall those vids whenever I hear the bassy bit in bbb. Which reminds me I never mapped the ghost teaser vids to ghosts songs.

[imail724]

I actually meant "there is a pla I can go.."
Aren't 'pla' and 'place' the same amount of syllables?

[kas23]

Direct link for the lazy : http://instagram.com/p/bDSNjUKjaR
Sounds familiar. And good.

Sounds like Pino playing in this clip.

[wight rabbit]

Man... Some of you are deaf and don't know the lyrics.

[snaapz]

I have a similar arp sequence programmed into my Roland SH-201. I'm a fan of arp! If this is legit then I can't wait to hear!

[HurtinMinorKey]

Well...forget about cortini videos, adrian belew just posted sth on his facebook wall, a new, apparently bitter song about someone with a heart like a hole. I feel there's gonna be a lil gossip about this in the next months.

You think he was smack talking TR? That would be kinda f-ed up, considering he quotes TR on his home page:

"Adrian Belew is the most awesome musician in the world."
-Trent Reznor
http://www.adrianbelew.net/

[PhoenixML]

Oh my god "it" happened. I was wondering if it would and it did : I dreamed I went to see NIN in concert and he played new songs!! It was ok, but I was so happy. I went on listening to the bootlegs.

More than 2 months to go....

[baudolino]

You think he was smack talking TR? That would be kinda f-ed up, considering he quotes TR on his home page:

"Adrian Belew is the most awesome musician in the world."
-Trent Reznor
http://www.adrianbelew.net/


either malign or kinda stupid.

[hobochic]

So here's the quote:

"yesterday we finished a new song. the words are:

somewhere
in the dark of night
I know you must feel something,
something isn't right
a heart like a hole
that let's in no light...

the vocal is followed by a massive onslaught meant to be the musical equivalent of a descent through hell. a giant horror of a sound created in the "magic closet" full of pedals.
as with many of the FLUX songs, this one is short but it makes its point!"

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Adrian-Belew/6696764994?fref=ts





Love how some of the posters seem to think it's written from a NIN-is-teh-awesome-POV.

[HurtinMinorKey]

^ Sounds like Mr. Belew is confusing his metaphors.

[onthewall2983]

What's the over/under on this getting a release in 5.1, Blu or DVD?

[eversonpoe]

if they were going to do it, it would have been part of the DE that they're releasing. i doubt it's going to happen. : /

[ryanmcfly]

http://betterwithraptors.tumblr.com/post/54139977832/i-guess-julien-has-calmed-down

This person has claimed to have heard the album. I asked them about it and they said they got sent a link to download it. I'm calling bullshit though.

[FULLMETAL]

http://betterwithraptors.tumblr.com/post/54139977832/i-guess-julien-has-calmed-down

This person has claimed to have heard the album. I asked them about it and they said they got sent a link to download it. I'm calling bullshit though.

It does seem odd that a random tumblr user would be given a link to the album before Pitchfork, COS, SUE, or any of the more established music sites. That said, I think it would be funny if a bunch of folks created faux reviews of the album (positive, negative, and ambivalent) to see what Columbia's response would be. I assume they would want to assert more control and begin to get legit reviews in circulation.

[ninsp]

It does seem odd that a random tumblr user would be given a link to the album before Pitchfork, COS, SUE, or any of the more established music sites. That said, I think it would be funny if a bunch of folks created faux reviews of the album (positive, negative, and ambivalent) to see what Columbia's response would be. I assume they would want to assert more control and begin to get legit reviews in circulation.

There's no way this kid has the album. He put such an ambiguous description of the album with no real teeth behind it, just a blanket statement that he's clearly talking out his ass. I feel like there's this bizarre smear campaign with old era NIN fans because NIN isn't angry and goth anymore so they feel necessary to slam NIN's reputation any chance they get. Starting to get annoying.

[Ryan]

Poll-but-not-an-official-poll: Which track do you think will sound the most epic or will be the most highly praised?

I'm going with Satellite just from the title. I usually suck at these predictions, mind.

[katara]

http://betterwithraptors.tumblr.com/post/54139977832/i-guess-julien-has-calmed-down

This person has claimed to have heard the album. I asked them about it and they said they got sent a link to download it. I'm calling bullshit though.
Whether they heard it or not, they also have no idea about Nine Inch Nails. With Teeth, Year Zero, and Ghosts I-IV are nothing alike sonically.

[Fist Fuck]

Poll-but-not-an-official-poll: Which track do you think will sound the most epic or will be the most highly praised?

I'm going with Satellite just from the title. I usually suck at these predictions, mind.

All Time Low! It's quite long and [explicit], so either it's Closer Pt. 2 or some really angry piece of music.

[slave2thewage]

Imagine if "All Time Low" actually featured All Time Low.

[Dragoro]

There's no way this kid has the album. He put such an ambiguous description of the album with no real teeth behind it, just a blanket statement that he's clearly talking out his ass. I feel like there's this bizarre smear campaign with old era NIN fans because NIN isn't angry and goth anymore so they feel necessary to slam NIN's reputation any chance they get. Starting to get annoying.


Untrue, been a fan since PHM and I like NIN's new stuff just as much as his old stuff.

[ninsp]

Untrue, been a fan since PHM and I like NIN's new stuff just as much as his old stuff.

I also can claim similar. I misworded it. There are a lot of old NIN fans doing this, I feel.

[Miss.Selfdestruct]

There's no way this kid has the album. He put such an ambiguous description of the album with no real teeth behind it, just a blanket statement that he's clearly talking out his ass. I feel like there's this bizarre smear campaign with old era NIN fans because NIN isn't angry and goth anymore so they feel necessary to slam NIN's reputation any chance they get. Starting to get annoying.
No offense here, but that's kind of a dumb assumption to make :/ I've been a fan since TDS and I do bash new TR stuff I don't like. BUT I also praise the hell out of what I love. Perhaps I'm being too optimistic in thinking that the majority of old school NIN fans know better than to just bash a musician simply because they're not in the same creative state they were 20 years ago.

Being real here, the man still needs time to make the pop tunes work.

[W.O.R.M]

There's no way this kid has the album. He put such an ambiguous description of the album with no real teeth behind it, just a blanket statement that he's clearly talking out his ass. I feel like there's this bizarre smear campaign with old era NIN fans because NIN isn't angry and goth anymore so they feel necessary to slam NIN's reputation any chance they get. Starting to get annoying.

I remember when the fragile came out and there was so many people bashing it because it wasn't like TDS or Broken.......I always kinda thought that was the point with NIN....? I mean I remember seeing the videos for down in it and head like a hole.....then I saw wish.

It was like 2 completely different worlds, still joined together by the creative mind behind it. NiN is still as angry as Trent was 20+ years ago.
(I don't think he ever got over his cameo in light of day) And goth? well. I guess, I never viewed nin as goth....the broken movie doesn't really strike me as "goth"

None the less I have a feeling that I have nothing to worry about for this album, why? Because its NIN. ;)

[Dragoro]

I remember when the fragile came out and there was so many people bashing it because it wasn't like TDS or Broken.......I always kinda thought that was the point with NIN....? I mean I remember seeing the videos for down in it and head like a hole.....then I saw wish.

It was like 2 completely different worlds, still joined together by the creative mind behind it. NiN is still as angry as Trent was 20+ years ago.
(I don't think he ever got over his cameo in light of day) And goth? well. I guess, I never viewed nin as goth....the broken movie doesn't really strike me as "goth"

None the less I have a feeling that I have nothing to worry about for this album, why? Because its NIN. ;)

Yep, Never viewed NIN as goth, always industrial.

[Fred]

Poll-but-not-an-official-poll: Which track do you think will sound the most epic or will be the most highly praised?

"The Eater of Dreams" is a badass title. And "Various Methods of Escape" is promising too, I think, though I hope that's an instrumental. I can't really imagine that title appearing in a chorus.

[hobochic]

"The Eater of Dreams" is a badass title. And "Various Methods of Escape" is promising too, I think, though I hope that's an instrumental. I can't really imagine that title appearing in a chorus.


I agree. Don't forget though that Trent is capable of squeezing anything cheesy in between the Ohs! and Ehyo's!

"Eyo, Various methods of escape! yeah! wow! Oh!"

[MAD]

"Eyo, Various methods of escape! yeah! wow! Oh!"
[A_WITH_AH_TEETH_UH], MMMMMmmmmmbuh!, AWAYYT!!1

[Shadaloo]

I remember when I turned on the subtitles for BYIT and it read "AND WITH THE TEETH". I lost it.

[thefragile_jake]

"Heyyyyyy! Copy of aaaaa!"

[jesus]

"Heyyyyy! yeah! While I'm Still Here"

[cashpiles (closed)]

The Eater of Dreams reminds me of Metallica's Harvester of Sorrow. I imagine the chorus is very apocalyptic sounding, like a hell storm. THE EATER!!!! (then the insane hell storm riff) OF/DREAMS! (insane riff sound continues). then this repeats 2-4 times.

[ryanmcfly]

I'm pretty sure The Eater of Dreams is only 52 seconds long.

[sheepdean]

Copy of A is actually about Trent recording The Fonz

[Vertigo]

The Eater of Dreams reminds me of Metallica's Harvester of Sorrow.

I do love songs about emotional farmyard equipment. I've always wished Metallica would have followed up that one with a JCB of Truculence, or a Potato Planter of PMS. Trent's yet to show any agricultural leanings in his oevre to date though, sadly.

[Dragoro]

I do love songs about emotional farmyard equipment. I've always wished Metallica would have followed up that one with a JCB of Truculence, or a Potato Planter of PMS. Trent's yet to show any agricultural leanings in his oevre to date though, sadly.


You do realize that the term harvester was around a long long time before there was a such thing as a harvester machine?

[JessicaSarahS]

You do realize that the term harvester was around a long long time before there was a such thing as a harvester machine?

It was a joke.

[PhoenixML]

I have paid for Hesitation Marks. Remind me why we have to wait 2 MORE months before we get the digital version?

(it "might" be a rhetorical question, but fair nonetheless)

[Demogorgon]

"it's my angst, and i need it now!"

[r_z]

"various methods of escape" will most likely be an instrumental. it ties right in with "the province of fear", "the sleep of reason..." a. o. - as far as impassioned titles go.

[skullboy0]

I have paid for Hesitation Marks. Remind me why we have to wait 2 MORE months before we get the digital version?

While I'm not expecting a return to The Slip style releases, I have kind of wondered what's the point of putting out a single months ahead of the album's release in the digital era.

Although at least Queens of the Stone Age did release a bunch of teasers in the lead up to their release to build hype. & the live stream from the Wiltern a week or so before the release was pretty cool, think that's what sold me on getting the album.

[jessamineny]

While I'm not expecting a return to The Slip style releases, I have kind of wondered what's the point of putting out a single months ahead of the album's release in the digital era.

The promote the tour and prod people to buy tickets, which went on sale at the same time the song was released.

[skullboy0]

The promote the tour and prod people to buy tickets, which went on sale at the same time the song was released.

But what's the point of waiting two + months to put the album out. It's an instant-gratification world, if I hear the song & like it that would make me want to buy the album.

I just wonder if such "old school" promotion methods really do much these days.

[jessamineny]

Maybe it wasn't completed early enough to have physical copies ready. I wouldn't think you'd want to sell full digital copies months before the physical versions are ready. Physical copies are almost impulse buys these days (except for vinyl die-hards and collectors, who will buy anyway), and you'd lose all those impulse sales.

[Wretchedest]

Regarding the "why dont i have this now?" Question....

I too, miss the way Ghosts and the Slip were released. I think, though, at releasing a "single" which is something people still do apparently, is part of marketing and hype. Get it ot the "radio" since there are, in fact, people who still are into that sort of thing.

Trent didnt just sign to a label, he signed to a very large, very conventional label, and theyre going to approach this as conventioionally as possible.

I still feel like that choice is rodiculous and its something well all hate in the long run.

[jmtd]

There's bound to be another release prior to the album. Tr is expert in the art of the tease. He knows what he's doing and it works.

[Vertigo]

I too, miss the way Ghosts and the Slip were released.
...
Trent didnt just sign to a label, he signed to a very large, very conventional label, and theyre going to approach this as conventionally as possible.
I still feel like that choice is rodiculous and its something well all hate in the long run.

Personally I like the prospect of an old-school launch campaign, with a lengthy run-up, singles, videos, art, interviews, appearances, media features... It's less personal (which corresponds to Trent withdrawing from fan interaction online in recent years), but it makes it easier to get a sense of the album's broader intent and context, and makes it feel more special.

I hope they do a bit more with the campaign, though. It'd be great to see some featurettes delving into the album's creation, or advertising clips like those awesome David Carson ones for The Fragile.

Should probably have posted that in the HM promotion thread, but whatevs.

[thefragile_jake]

Personally I like the prospect of an old-school launch campaign, with a lengthy run-up, singles, videos, art, interviews, appearances, media features... It's less personal (which corresponds to Trent withdrawing from fan interaction online in recent years), but it makes it easier to get a sense of the album's broader intent and context, and makes it feel more special.

I hope they do a bit more with the campaign, though. It'd be great to see some featurettes delving into the album's creation, or advertising clips like those awesome David Carson ones for The Fragile.

Should probably have posted that in the HM promotion thread, but whatevs.

I like it as well, it builds a hype machine to get you interested in the record. I don't think the promotion will be anywhere near fellow label mate Daft Punk had with Columbia this year...but I think it's doing it's job.

Besides, we only got two months before this thing comes out! We'll all be salivating I'm sure in a couple weeks when NIN play Fuji Rock Fest and we hear some new songs live for the first time! I don't think that's happened since...the With Teeth club tours? I think it probably came about during Performance 2007 too with Beginning of the End and Survivalism making their live debuts before Year Zero was released.

[Wretchedest]

the run up doesn't bother me just, the record deal.

[pigpen]

You know, I was thinking about this..
Maybe TR agreed to do another nin record because that was part of the agreement in signing HTDA and releasing Welcome Oblivion.

[jessamineny]

The same guy who told people to steal his album from his record label because of unfair pricing practices? The same guy who nearly (or maybe did) lose money on the LITS tour because the art was so important to him?

You actually think he'd sell out the legacy of his 25-year-long passion in order to secure a deal with a record company for a new band... because why? He couldn't really do it on his own? C'mon.

[pigpen]

Well, he DID say he was planning on just making some tracks that sounded like everything they've done so far, and it turned into an album.
So, why wouldn't he just agree to put that album out on Columbia provided they take HTDA too?

Also, I'd say that going back to a major after all the hubub about labels being useless relics of the past, and that they're model just doesn't make sense anymore, in
conjunction with sky rocketed concert ticket prices, that Trent's kind of already heading down the "money time" road.

I mean, I KNOW I'm going to get my dick chewed clean off for this..but it's kind of how I see it.

[jessamineny]

That's not what you said. "Agreeing to do another NIN album" and "just agreeing to put that album out on Columbia" are two different things.

But what you're talking about in any case sounds like a pretty shitty deal, doesn't it? Almost like blackmail. I doubt anyone would take kindly to that. And you're talking about TR.



I mean, I KNOW I'm going to get my dick chewed clean off for this..but it's kind of how I see it.

Dude, seriously, stop posting stuff like this. It's a discussion forum, and people are going to disagree with you (and some will agree with you). Proactively "playing the victim" does nothing for your case, and likely prompts some people to treat you more harshly.

[pigpen]

That's not what you said. "Agreeing to do another NIN album" and "just agreeing to put that album out on Columbia" are two different things.

But what you're talking about in any case sounds like a pretty shitty deal, doesn't it? Almost like blackmail. I doubt anyone would take kindly to that. And you're talking about TR.
They may be two different things, but I meant the later seeing as I read of the situation surrounding HM's creation, and thus the former makes no sense.
I'd say it sounds like a Great Deal if what you're trying to do is put nin to bed, and focus on other things. Which he has claimed to want to do in recent times,
even going as far as doing a fucking WAVE GOODBYE tour!
Soo, one more record, tour, and a huge paycheck later, he's free to do what he wants, and his other band is in a spectacular position because of it.
As opposed to not doing any of it, and having to promote HTDA yourself and out of your own pockets..

[sheepdean]

HTDA signed with Columbia in early 2012, he hadn't even started fucking around with Belew then. Go home pigpen, you're drunk

[pigpen]

Well, we're midway through 2013 and TR said he'd spent the last YEAR working on HM.. Which would put it right around that same time.

[eversonpoe]

Well, we're midway through 2013 and TR said he'd spent the last YEAR working on HM.. Which would put it right around that same time.

that doesn't mean he signed NIN to columbia simultaneously.

[pigpen]

I'd say the time frame works perfectly for what I'm desperately trying to convince you of.

[jessamineny]

Even if the two bands were signed to Columbia at the same time, which isn't unlikely, it doesn't mean one band was bait for the deal.

Isn't it possible that after being independent, TR honestly learned he could benefit from labels in certain ways? And that it just makes no practical sense for his two different bands to be on two different labels? That the explanation is simple and not a conspiracy?

[hobochic]

I can imagine that all the online marketing experiments he was involved with for the last years took a chunk of energy and time that could have gone into elaborate creative work. If that's the case I think we'll see a far more music oriented Trent from now on instead of the new media mogul he's kinda become.

[pigpen]

Whoa whoa whoa, pump the brakes now.. I never said it was a conspiracy, and I didn't even say that I was upset about what I considered may have been
the circumstance surrounding any of this.. I simply said that to me, it was a possibility.
Also, this kind of tomfoolery is to be expected when they announce an album 3 months before it's release! What am I supposed to do!? NOT obsess over it?!

[slave2thewage]

A conspiracy? Is Trent one of the lizard people?

Seriously, it's genius about how 2012 was about "writing" for NIN and now it's just "lol, here's an album for you all". Oh Trent, I hope you never change.

[ryanmcfly]

I wonder when we will hear another song off the album.

[thefragile_jake]

I wonder when we will hear another song off the album.

I was thinking that same thing too, it seems like it's practice lately to release your big single and get another track online a couple weeks or so before hand. At least, I've noticed that with a lot of bands lately anyway.

[Indefinite_Cure]

I was thinking that same thing too, it seems like it's practice lately to release your big single and get another track online a couple weeks or so before hand. At least, I've noticed that with a lot of bands lately anyway.

I had a dream last night that snippets from the rehearsals from 5 new songs went online! Made me believe it too, first thing I did in the morning is check here and on the website...something I keep doing about 10 times a day...:(

[AgentofChaos]

I know this label stuff is never gonna stop sadly, but whether Angels was somehow tied into his NIN Columbia decision is completely irrelevant and not even worth talking about. Was it a package deal? Did the label request NIN? Did he use NIN to ensure HTDA got a great deal? Blah blah blah are you jokers even paying attention?


Look, he was anti label in the 00's because they were greedy fucks who abused the artists that made them tons of money, and when times got tough they threw artistic integrity out the window. He was frustrated with that and decided to try different things to see what worked. Some things did, some were more hassle or costly then they were worth. It was tumultous time in music, and things have since leveled out a bit.

He's not going back to a label now because he wants more money. Or because he wanted to be #1 song on the 5 o'clock countdown. Although granted those may be nice bonuses he'll get out of the deal, I think it's clear they weren't his main motivation. Yeah he wanted exposure for HTDA, but all of that extra money he made he funneled back into art, videos and an amazing tour. Nothing hypocritical about that, and he's basically doing the same thing for NIN.

He went back to a label for both bands because he was tired of doing everything himself. He's got NIN, HTDA, film scores, daisy, year zero television show or other possible ventures, and of course a wife & kids; he can't be paving the way for the industry on the back of his sweat and blood anymore. He did his part and has given more than enough. He doesn't owe next gen bands anything at this point in his career. Now he wants to keep things simple, and just focus on the music/art. Let the suits deal with crunching numbers, marketing, customer service issues etc. That shit takes tons of time and energy and guess what; it has absolutely ZERO to do with the music (which is the only thing that will ultimately stand the test of time).

What the fuck is so wrong about that? He wants to focus on the music? Oh no! Please. The only reasons you guys think labels are the devil was because TR told you they were in the past. Now he's telling you he's got complete creative control and he's working with some cool people who understand more or less what he's about. They are providing a service that is making his life easier. Is his decision going to cost us, the fans, a little bit more money, since more middle men will have to get their cut? Yeah, a bit. But still very reasonable for the marketplace. Do you remember that album(s) you got for free? How about all of those below market value concert tickets? Yeahhhh... you've had it just fine. Let the artist be an artist and fuck off already with the idea that his work or career is somehow devalued because he wants to spend more time on his actual craft, or being a good husband and father.

[thefragile_jake]

I had a dream last night that snippets from the rehearsals from 5 new songs went online! Made me believe it too, first thing I did in the morning is check here and on the website...something I keep doing about 10 times a day...:(

Oh man...when those Amazon.com snippets come on, I'm gonna go crazy. I can remember when someone put those the 10-15 second samples of With Teeth on file sharing sites, someone took the audio of each sample and repeated it for like 2 minutes over and over again...I remember listening to them constantly getting amped up, haha.

[allegro]

I'd say the time frame works perfectly for what I'm desperately trying to convince you of.
"Desperately" trying to "convince?"

Dude, that's sad, I hope you didn't really mean to type that.


What am I supposed to do!? NOT obsess over it?!
That would be a healthy choice, yes.

[Ryan]

I wonder if the remix album will be called Skid Marks because they're usually crap?

[BenAkenobi]

"Heyyyyyy! Copy of aaaaa!"

Somehow i feel that A is for America
(because i remembered another song:
A-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ah
Johnny's in America, no tricks at the wheel...)

[Fred]

"various methods of escape" will most likely be an instrumental. it ties right in with "the province of fear", "the sleep of reason..." a. o. - as far as impassioned titles go.

Or it's the sequel to "Fist Fuck". C'mon, the title fits.

[icklekitty]

The same guy who told people to steal his album from his record label because of unfair pricing practices? The same guy who nearly (or maybe did) lose money on the LITS tour because the art was so important to him?

You actually think he'd sell out the legacy of his 25-year-long passion in order to secure a deal with a record company for a new band... because why? He couldn't really do it on his own? C'mon.

I believe what you meant to say was:

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/713655/gob_bluth_come_on_medium.jpg

[WorzelG]

It occurs to me that signing to Columbia happened after the Social Network soundtrack stuff, that was Sony, so it would make sense that Trent and Atticus would get to know people from Columbia and then strike a deal for other stuff (funny it seemed to me TR did more promotion for the Social Network film than I've ever seen for NIN, in the form of interviews etc)

Also, I'm inclined to believe Rob Sheridan on the Reddit AMA where he said things were different at Columbia and some cool people work there

[eversonpoe]

Somehow i feel that A is for America
(because i remembered another song:
A-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ah
Johnny's in America, no tricks at the wheel...)

i believe it's "na na na na na na na na na na"

[pigpen]

"Desperately" trying to "convince?"

Dude, that's sad, I hope you didn't really mean to type that.


That would be a healthy choice, yes.

Yes, I meant every word of it.

I like how the people of this board think they have some weird personal relationship with TR, to the point of knowing his motives
or reasoning behind anything he does. There's no less speculation on anything anyone has said compared to what I have, but because I've considered
something more cynical, I must be wrong. I mean, obviously I should expect a lot of that, since this IS a nine inch nails board.

[allegro]

Yes, I meant every word of it. I like how the people of this board think they have some weird personal relationship with TR, to the point of knowing his motives
But you are in no position to "desperately" convince anyone of his possible motives, either. And, really, the bottom line is: WHO CARES? Really, it doesn't matter. Especially since none of us may ever know his motives, but particularly because it doesn't affect any of us, so your desperation is unfounded and, well, immature. Sorry, dude, no offense.

[jessamineny]

I thought pigpen was using sarcaism™ and hyperbole in those posts (about desperately trying to convince us, and being forced to obsess over the album), but maybe I read him wrong.

[pigpen]

Seriously? I thought my sarcasm in that comment was pretty obvious, but I guess not.
I wasn't being serious about trying to genuinely convince people of anything. I was simply
putting a thought I had out there. It's not even something I'm convinced of, but the possibility
did cross my mind and I thought "Hey, lets see what ETS thinks of this".. My mistake!

[screwdriver]

Seriously? I thought my sarcasm in that comment was pretty obvious, but I guess not.
I wasn't being serious about trying to genuinely convince people of anything. I was simply
putting a thought I had out there. It's not even something I'm convinced of, but the possibility
did cross my mind and I thought "Hey, lets see what ETS thinks of this".. My mistake!

you must get exhausted constantly playing the world's smallest violin for yourself

[AgentofChaos]

I don't think people are inferring or speculating anything. TR has basically come out and said exactly his reasons for his decision in regards to a label. There is no confusion. Unless you don't want to take him at his word... in which case nobody here is going to be able to help you.

[billpulsipher]

I remember the time when Trent said cool people work at Interscope too....we saw how that turned out

[allegro]

Seriously? I thought my sarcasm in that comment was pretty obvious, but I guess not.
I wasn't being serious about trying to genuinely convince people of anything. I was simply
putting a thought I had out there. It's not even something I'm convinced of, but the possibility
did cross my mind and I thought "Hey, lets see what ETS thinks of this".. My mistake!
It was the "desperately trying to convince" part that skipped past my sarcasm detector. Anyway, I'm glad you're not serious.

[NINfan04]

Can someone tell me if the album leaked? I found this link on Youtube but didn't download it because I'm worried it's a virus or something like that. Has anyone tried it?

http://mp3face.com/nine-inch-nails-hesitation-marks-2013-new-album/

[Dimitri.]

Can someone tell me if the album leaked?

It hasn't.
Trust this : http://hasitleaked.com/2013/nine-inch-nails-hesitation-marks/

[NINfan04]

It hasn't.
Trust this : http://hasitleaked.com/2013/nine-inch-nails-hesitation-marks/

Ok, thank you for that! I already ordered the deluxe edition but I was just curious and didn't want to try the link.

[matt925]

Ok, thank you for that! I already ordered the deluxe edition but I was just curious and didn't want to try the link.

The day it leaks this site will explode. If you stop by here daily or every couple of days you will know when it leaks. My guess is it won't leak until 1-2 weeks before release date, but when the first shows start in a few weeks we'll get at least a handful of new songs to listen to.

[NINfan04]

The day it leaks this site will explode. If you stop by here daily or every couple of days you will know when it leaks. My guess is it won't leak until 1-2 weeks before release date, but when the first shows start in a few weeks we'll get at least a handful of new songs to listen to.

Very true. I can't wait for the first show to see what kind of setlist NIN comes back with. I'm glad TR decided to go back to the full NIN production (Lights In the Sky Tour/The Fragile Tour). I have a feeling we're going to get a diverse setlist. Fingers crossed for Happiness In Slavery live!

[sheepdean]

Isn't asking for leaks specifically against board rules?

[pigpen]

you must get exhausted constantly playing the world's smallest violin for yourself

Well, this is a forum dedicated to TR, so boohoo'ing shouldn't be too much of a surprise.
;)
I'll stop now.

[dpeters]

Any word on the next single? Is it going to release after the album?

Historically, how soon until snippets appear on Amazon/iTunes?