The Marvel Thread - Multiverses and other Shenanigans

[eversonpoe]

https://twitter.com/vincentdonofrio/status/1314275656969129990

I hadn't even considered that they could integrate Netflix/MCU into it as well... but obviously some Kingpin has (not that I think it's likely... but get them all over there).

oh my god i hope they do this

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

https://twitter.com/vincentdonofrio/status/1314275656969129990

I hadn't even considered that they could integrate Netflix/MCU into it as well... but obviously some Kingpin has (not that I think it's likely... but get them all over there).

Yea, don't get your hopes up. The only actors I would like to see return are Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio and Charlie said a year or so back he hadn't heard a thing from anyone from what I remember. Or it could all be a ruse and they have something bigger planned for the Netflix shows being integrated into the MCU.

I'm dying for things to start snowballing for the new phase.

[allegate]

saw a rumor that Daredevil could be in Spider-Man as Peter's lawyer but I think that was prior to the multi-verse story firming up.

[october_midnight]

wat

https://twitter.com/FandomWire/status/1315832144204312576

[Archive_Reports]

Evan Peters in the the cast list for WandaVision in an "undisclosed" role.

I suppose this may not be new news, but I just saw it earlier.

[marodi]

wat

https://twitter.com/FandomWire/status/1315832144204312576

Multi pass -- I mean multiverse, my friend. Multiverse!

And yay for that guy in that other show! ( post above mine)

[fillow]

They can't really do a multiverse film without an animated Miles Morales cameo, can they?

[allegate]

Well, his uncle was in the Homecoming (Donald Glover) so that plus the "Blip" it's feasible that they could just have Miles there.

[WorzelG]

My eldest son is getting into some music through Marvel films - he listens to Highway to Hell a lot through Iron Man and he is now listening to Hole's Celebrity Skin through Captain Marvel. He said to me 'mummy do you love Courtney Love? i do'

[Haysey_Draws]

I know in this day and age keeping secrets for stuff is almost impossible...but man how much would it have BLOWN peoples minds if Toby and Andrew were surprises, like they just showed up at the climax to help!

[allegate]

It will still happen for those who aren't super plugged-in to the Internet. Keep in mind that it'll be cool for you and even more so for them and then for you while you laugh at them. In a good-natured way, of course. :)

And then there are the viewers that don't pay attention to the story and it'll blow their mind. I remember watching the first Pirates film in the theater and when Jack is stabbed this lady yelled "oh lord they killed him!" and she meant it. She didn't see him palm a coin I guess? And maybe she also forgot that Johnny Depp is the leading man and those deaths happen very very rarely? Still, I think about that lady frequently.

[Wretchedest]

Well a much bigger spoiler has emerged in the last 24 hours from a reliable leaker. And this is a pretty big one and it's an actual spoiler so be warned
wolverine will apparently appear in falcon and winter soldier

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Multi pass -- I mean multiverse, my friend. Multiverse!

And yay for that guy in that other show! ( post above mine)

Wasn't this debunked and not official?

[marodi]

Wasn't this debunked and not official?

Which part? I did read later that the 3 spiders was not happening. Doctor Strange will play in the Multiverse in his second movie (isn't it in the title?), so will Loki, that sneaky, sexy fiend.

As for that guy in that other Disney+ show: it better be true. And that goes for the post above yours too.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Which part? I did read later that the 3 spiders was not happening. Doctor Strange will play in the Multiverse in his second movie (isn't it in the title?), so will Loki, that sneaky, sexy fiend.

As for that guy in that other Disney+ show: it better be true. And that goes for the post above yours too.

My bad, just the Spidey sign ups!

... And yes, that rumor better be true, but more Loki is always welcome for me. Ugh, I really hope the Spidey thing will happen. The amount of scenarios I have went through including their banter, making fun of each other, fighting together... Fuck I can't even think about the possibilities sometimes.

[october_midnight]

Oh shit! Oscar Isaac is Moon Knight.

https://twitter.com/krolljvar/status/1320772395771121664

[eversonpoe]

Oh shit! Oscar Isaac is Moon Knight.

but is he...mac tonight?

https://files.gamebanana.com/img/ico/sprays/56635b61cef2a.gif

[MrLobster]

So it wasn't the apocalypse for him after all... nice to see Marvel re-using another actor. :)

[Wretchedest]

That is a perfect casting

[allegate]

yeah, he could do the weird manic just by playing ex machina again.

[WorzelG]

Just watched Civil War and while I LOVED Black Panther in it, it also made me depressed that he’s no longer with us. I wish I’d watched these films before he died

[Archive_Reports]

Surprised no one has posted about this yet: https://collider.com/wandavision-release-date-disney-plus-2021/

[sonic_discord]

There are some good videos on Youtube on the whole lore of Mandalore and some on the back story of Boba/Jango Fett (mostly legends, and presumably not movie canon) that worked well for me. It's pretty crazy how dedicated fans can get.. wait? What message board are we on again? :D

I think you're looking for the Star Wars thread ;)

[dlb]

Haha yeah, wrong tab! Sorry feel free to delete admins! :D

[allegate]

we can delete the admins? hmm...

[wight rabbit]

Haha yeah, wrong tab! Sorry feel free to delete admins! :D

You're aware you can delete your own posts, right?

[WorzelG]

Watching Captain America Civil War, I felt the film gave the idea that Captain America was ultimately right, but I agree with Iron Man in this one. I felt like if they had been governed by the UN, the whole team would have been there when they found the base and someone could have talked Iron Man round.

[october_midnight]

So, Alfred Molina is back for the third Tom Holland Spider-Man movie as Dr. Octopus. (https://io9.gizmodo.com/spider-man-3-recruits-alfred-molinas-doc-ock-1845835465?rev=1607453526163&utm_campaign=io9&utm_content=&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=twitter)

So it's basically going to be a Spider-Verse movie I guess.

[sonic_discord]

At first it was looking like some kind of live-action adaptation of Into the Spider-Verse was likely where they were headed (though the rumors of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield being brought back have yet to be confirmed), but now it's looking like they might tackle the Sinister Six earlier than expected with the multi-verse as a way of bringing back old villains so they don't have to introduce new ones. I mean they've got Doctor Octopus and Electro coming back. Sounds like Morbius might cross over, which means Venom and Carnage could, as well. Vulture is still alive. Scorpion and Prowler have been set up. They could easily bring Mysterio back and say that his death was another illusion. I just hope that they remember the lessons learned from Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 3 and Amazing Spider-Man 2 and don't try to cram both Sinister Six and Spider-Verse into the same movie. Kevin Feige's involvement eases my concerns, but it's still a Sony-controlled movie, which always worries me.

[allegate]

Half dozen in one hand, sinister six in another.

I'm sorry/not sorry.

[october_midnight]

(though the rumors of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield being brought back have yet to be confirmed)

According to other reports today, they'll be back. Along with Kirsten Dunst and Emma Stone.

[sonic_discord]

According to other reports today, they'll be back. Along with Kirsten Dunst and Emma Stone.

Wow. If that's true, this is shaping up to be THE biggest Spider-Man-related movie ever. After Endgame, I didn't think they'd be able to pull off anything this big again for several years.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Hopefully they can strike a deal with Sony and get Toby in there. With all of these additions, how much screen time will they really get? Itching for plot details!

[Haysey_Draws]

Alot of people are sounding the "too much like Spidey 3" alarm, which i can understand, but something people are missing is these are all characters most of the audience knows! Unlike Spidey 3 they won't require what little screen time there is to introduce them and explain their backstories, they should (in theory) just be able to jump straight into the action. It's actually a pretty amazing plan, giving fans what they've wanted for years (sinister six) without introducing new actors/motivations AND giving us so much fanservice. If they pull this off this could be on the same level of Endgame giving just how loved Spidey and those original Remi films are. I'm cautiously optimistic.

[october_midnight]

Wow. The hits keep comin'...

https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1336691146530152456

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

*Breathes heavily....*

[Haysey_Draws]

My excitement sense is tingling!

[sonic_discord]

https://youtu.be/3dvj3JIIxhI

In all seriousness, I'm getting VERY excited for this movie!! Peter Tingle activated!

[sonic_discord]

Now it's Marvel's turn...

New series coming to Disney+:
Ironheart
Secret Invasion (Reunites Samuel L. Jackson and Ben Mendelsohn)
Armor Wars (Don Cheadle Returns as War Machine to Save Tony Stark’s Tech)
The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special (James Gunn Returns to Write and Direct Ahead of ‘Guardians of the Galaxy 3)
I Am Groot (series of shorts)

Newly announced movies:
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania (Paul Rudd, Evangeline Lilly, Michael Douglas, & Michelle Pfeiffer are returning. Kathryn Newton as Cassie Lang and Jonathan Majors as Kang the Conqueror)
Fantastic Four (directed by Jon Watts)

Other news regarding movies & shows we already knew about:
Christian Bale Joins Cast of ‘Thor: Love and Thunder’ As Gorr the God Butcher

Rachel McAdams Will Return For Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness

Captain Marvel 2: Brie Larson will be joined by Iman Vellani, who makes her debut as Ms. Marvel in the Disney+ series of the same name. Additionally, joining the cast is Teyonah Parris, who portrays grown-up Monica Rambeau

Black Panther II will continue to honor the legacy of Chadwick Boseman and his portrayal of King T’Challa, and will not recast the character. Rather, revealed during The Walt Disney Company’s 2020 Investor Day presentation by Kevin Feige, president, Marvel Studios, and chief creative officer, Marvel, the sequel will continue to explore the incomparable world of Wakanda and all of the rich and varied characters introduced in the first film.

She-Hulk will welcome a bevy of different Marvel characters to the series, including the Hulk, once again played by Mark Ruffalo, along with the Abomination, with Tim Roth returning to the role

[allegate]

the fact they're not shying away from old Marvel with Abomination and Doc Ock and Electro has me excited. The less they have to explain about origins the more they can just get to the story, you know?

[MrLobster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavSRpORnfg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JsZ2bAl3Jk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48V-wm_W82A


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSa9fiSWCmI

[dlb]

Hate to say that and maybe I'm not in the Marvel mood, but none of that makes me excited. Loki, okay... the rest is totally above my head. I have no idea what's going on. :/

As I have Disney+ I'll probably give them all a chance, but so far there's not much I find intereting about this. Not even the movies coming out soon with the exception of Dr Strange 2, Thor 4 and GoG 3.

[MrLobster]

I'm getting an AoS vibe from Falcon and Winter Soldier... I'm good with that. Now, if they could integrate Mockingbird somehow...

[Jord]

Really cool hearing all this Disney, Marvel & Star Wars news today, lots of cool stuff to look forward to after this shit year we've all had.

[Haysey_Draws]

We're at the point now where they can do what they do in the comics, bring back old villains (even from movies not canon) and just not waste time with introductions and backstories, just straight into it...that's pretty cool!

[allegate]

We're at the point now where they can do what they do in the comics, bring back old villains (even from movies not canon) and just not waste time with introductions and backstories, just straight into it...that's pretty cool!
Exactly! The problem, though...
Hate to say that and maybe I'm not in the Marvel mood, but none of that makes me excited. Loki, okay... the rest is totally above my head. I have no idea what's going on. :/

As I have Disney+ I'll probably give them all a chance, but so far there's not much I find intereting about this. Not even the movies coming out soon with the exception of Dr Strange 2, Thor 4 and GoG 3.
It's always someones first something so if you missed out on the Incredible Hulk you'd not know wtf an Abomination is.

[Haysey_Draws]

Exactly! The problem, though...
It's always someones first something so if you missed out on the Incredible Hulk you'd not know wtf an Abomination is.

Probably a good time for Disney to do a quick run down of the first few phases in a video on YT or something, just for people who don't want to spend hours catching up with stuff (this is also a BIG reason why people find it so hard to get into comics)

[dlb]

What amazed me the most about the MCU is how well it did overseas with many people not being familiar with characters like Captain America or at least, why should someone in Europe care about such a character? Some of these always seemed like national treasure, barely noticed in other markets. So yeah, gotta give it to Marvel for bringing characters like Thor, Iron Man and wow, even the Guardians of the Galaxy to the forefront. Of course they casted A-list actors for that and some made it to the top through these characters, but I always found that very remarkable.

So maybe they will find a way to get me back like they found a way to draw me in in the first place. But for now, I really have no idea what some of these trailers try to tell me. I know that they want to tease something special, but at this point I'm just not familiar with the comic lore and I don't have the time or desire to do the research.

Let's see...

But still, Falcon and the Winter Soldier... the two major characters I like the least from any of the MCU movies so far. Seeing Zemo was cool, but that show doesn't catch me at all. Yet I was pleasantly surprised how movie-like this production looks.

[Wretchedest]

Well I was straight up wrong about Christian Bale.

Gore is such a dark villain... I'm not exactly happy that he will be getting the ragnarok treatment. Reading that book of thor is like reading an old timey epic.

[Wretchedest]

What amazed me the most about the MCU is how well it did overseas with many people not being familiar with characters like Captain America or at least, why should someone in Europe care about such a character? Some of these always seemed like national treasure, barely noticed in other markets. So yeah, gotta give it to Marvel for bringing characters like Thor, Iron Man and wow, even the Guardians of the Galaxy to the forefront. Of course they casted A-list actors for that and some made it to the top through these characters, but I always found that very remarkable.

So maybe they will find a way to get me back like they found a way to draw me in in the first place. But for now, I really have no idea what some of these trailers try to tell me. I know that they want to tease something special, but at this point I'm just not familiar with the comic lore and I don't have the time or desire to do the research.

Let's see...

But still, Falcon and the Winter Soldier... the two major characters I like the least from any of the MCU movies so far. Seeing Zemo was cool, but that show doesn't catch me at all. Yet I was pleasantly surprised how movie-like this production looks.

If the rumors are true, the winter soldier show, which indeed looks boring as hell, is a jumping off point for fucking wolverine

And rumors have been super true lately

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Loki and What If? look fantastic... That is all.

[sonic_discord]

Well I was straight up wrong about Christian Bale.

Gore is such a dark villain... I'm not exactly happy that he will be getting the ragnarok treatment. Reading that book of thor is like reading an old timey epic.

Despite Ragnarok's considerable shift in tone (which, I admit I questioned whether it was the right choice for this particular franchise early on, but the movie won me over quickly and, as a result, Taika Waititi earned my trust), Hella was still a pretty serious villain. They didn't make her all jokey and reduce her to a farce like Paul Giamatti in The Amazing Spider-Man 2. They've proven they can maintain that Guardians-esque comedic tone and still play the villain straight with enough gravitas to make you concerned for the heroes and care about the outcome. Honestly, with the Jane Foster story they're going to be telling, I'm sure it'll be more serious than its predecessor in order to give the appropriate weight to the source material's equally serious subject matter.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1348675918445867010?s=20

good to see confirmation.

[october_midnight]

Huge if true.

Don't look now but sources are saying a deal is close to have Chris Evans return as Capt America (https://deadline.com/2021/01/captain-america-eyes-return-to-the-mcu-as-chris-evans-nears-deal-to-reprise-role-in-future-marvel-project-1234672430/).

[allegate]

why announce - or even talk about - this before Falcon/Winter Soldier comes out? I realize it's probably going to be a flashback or something like Black Widow where it's the before times but still.

[sonic_discord]

why announce - or even talk about - this before Falcon/Winter Soldier comes out? I realize it's probably going to be a flashback or something like Black Widow where it's the before times but still.

Because it's a leak/scoop. Marvel Studios weren't the ones to break that news (again, if true), and if it IS true, they likely aren't thrilled that it leaked.

[marodi]

Maybe Marvel is going to pull a Loki and have Cap come back from another timeline?

[allegate]

Because it's a leak/scoop. Marvel Studios weren't the ones to break that news (again, if true), and if it IS true, they likely aren't thrilled that it leaked.
fair, forgot the whole 'leak' part of that.

[october_midnight]

May need to park this lol.

https://twitter.com/chrisevans/status/1349835808497229824?s=21

[allegate]

to be fair, She-Hulk actress Tatiana Maslany also said "no I'm not playing She-Hulk" until it was confirmed.

[sonic_discord]

Maybe Marvel is going to pull a Loki and have Cap come back from another timeline?

If he ever did come back (which now it's looking like this was a rumor after all), that would certainly be the most obvious answer, as well as the answer that makes the most sense.

[Haysey_Draws]

Be good if this is Chris just getting people to forget it, then when we least expect it BANG!

[october_midnight]

Ethan Hawke cast as the main villain in The Moon Knight.

[allegate]

only because you said "Ethan Hawke":

https://twitter.com/jeradwalker/status/1349798163545169920?s=20

[eversonpoe]

stalled out on my MCU rewatch a few months ago but am finally watching Captain America. steve & bucky are still my #1 MCU couple, but god i love peggy carter so much. i'm so sad we only got two seasons of Agent Carter.

[ghostaustin]

What do you guys think of WandaVision so far? I find it incredibly charming and silly, when its not taking a turn into Lynchian terror. I just hate the fact that i cant binge this

[MrLobster]

but god i love peggy carter so much. i'm so sad we only got two seasons of Agent Carter.

If I'm remembering correctly, she'll be in the What If... stuff as a voice, while it's not much, I'm happy with it.

[MrLobster]

I just hate the fact that i cant binge this

This is just one of the reasons why I'm waiting for a bunch of Marvel stuff to get released before I pick up Disney+... they'll be there when I get there. :)

[allegate]

forgot about this thread, my bad.

Read an interesting theory about a rumored casting for the WandaVision show. Spoilers because the casting is still rumored - nothing confirmed - but it plays into the pregnancy which is a comic story also.

spoiler text so the link URL isn't visible (https://screenrant.com/wandavision-theory-evan-peters-tommy-speed-not-quicksilver/)

[Wretchedest]

Oh that's definitely confirmed

[allegate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch0wMWnXjeA

Some new stuff in there. Really impressed with the fourth episode and how it managed to bring you up to speed on a lot of things. Answered some questions but brought up a lot of new ones.

Read a theory that the episode is seeding Fantastic Four with the ship Sword are building. unmanned except for that one time you have a crazy scientist steal it, you know?

even the title of the fourth episode was brilliant: "We Interrupt This Program"

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1356332139986345984

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/Scott_Bromley/status/1357031424721711108

the week of the Big Game no less!

[allegate]

So that bit from Elizabeth Olsen buried under SuperPro there is about an upcoming cameo. On top of that, said cameo was leaked to the Internet and has been making its way around. I had to stop letting YouTube do it's recommendation thing because I noticed a lot of "is it ___" and "or is it ___" videos starting to pop up in the queue.

I've listened to some speculation because it was part of the podcast I was listening to but other than that I've tried to stay away from the leaked information. The only thing I am sure of is that the show leads into Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness so it could be one of several people. And since Spider-Man 3 part 2 is coming out before that and we know that film is very potentially also dealing with the multiverse? Never mind the whole "can it be introducing mutants here?" aspect.

so that's the only speculation I've done and it's only with knowing what is officially confirmed. I want to be surprised by the "Luke Skywalker-level cameo" when it happens.

[sonic_discord]

I'm trying to avoid spoilers for this cameo (and also keeping expectations in check, rather than wildly speculating about far-fetched theories as to who it could be that will ultimately cause the ACTUAL cameo to be a letdown), but do we know WHEN it's supposed to happen? I thought I saw an article or something claiming that it would be tomorrow and "just in time for the big game," but I'm more inclined to believe that something like this won't come until the final (or maybe penultimate) episode, much like The Mandalorian's big cameo that it's constantly being compared to.

[allegate]

it's either tomorrow or next Friday, because what little I heard about it said it was for one of those two episodes. There are nine total so it's not a finale thing.

[sonic_discord]

There are nine total so it's not a finale thing.

Well, now there's rumors of a "secret" bonus 10th episode.

[allegate]

that would be a weird thing to do...have a season finale episode and then suddenly next Friday

https://media3.giphy.com/media/8vnaPLlNLiTn9P5IZn/source.gif

[Wretchedest]

Let's be clear that "Luke Skywalker" is being used by the journalist in the headline, not anyone working on the show

[sonic_discord]

Let's be clear that "Luke Skywalker" is being used by the journalist in the headline, not anyone working on the show

Exactly. Their words & comparison, not hers or Marvel's. I also feel like constantly seeing articles using that comparison will likely lead to many people ending up being disappointed that it's not some massive Luke Skywalker-level cameo. I've seen people (and YouTube channels) throwing out names that I think are pretty unlikely. I think the cameo will most likely be one of the following characters: Doctor Strange or Spider-Man (because they're all connected by the Multiverse), Quicksilver, Nick Fury, or possibly Thanos or Ultron (because those two killed to two most important people in her life). If they do introduce Magneto, I think it'll be a new actor. I'd be really surprised if Ian McKellen showed up.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

All I want is a proper send off for Pietro. They did him massively dirty that has left a bad taste in my mouth since Ultron which wasn't very good imo.

[Wretchedest]

We can totally rule spiderman for legal reasons, and we know it's someone other than Evan peters quicksilver... Because we know that.

I hope it's magneto. It could be doctor strange. Maybe thor, even? But probably not because he's in space


I think they are trying to retain a lot of the X-Men cast. All of the spiderman multiverse shit can also bring over X-Men and probably will. We know feihe talked to Patrick stewart. We know jackman 2as willing to come back for the mcu. We know ryan reynolds is still around as deadpool, McKellan is too old but fassbender was still a great magneto so I'm banking on him.

[Wretchedest]

Well, now there's rumors of a "secret" bonus 10th episode.
I'm double posting, but this gives me "Tool decoy album" flashbacks

[sonic_discord]

I think they are trying to retain a lot of the X-Men cast. All of the spiderman multiverse shit can also bring over X-Men and probably will. We know feihe talked to Patrick stewart. We know jackman 2as willing to come back for the mcu. We know ryan reynolds is still around as deadpool, McKellan is too old but fassbender was still a great magneto so I'm banking on him.

As much as I'd love to see Fassbender come back (he was the best part of the "prequel" X-Men movies), he's already played Magneto four times and if the MCU is setting up a new incarnation of the X-Men, I'm sure they'll want an actor who will be around for the long haul and reprise the role 5+ times over the course of a decade or so. I doubt Fassbender is willing to give that much more of his life to superhero movies on top of the four he's already done. Maybe he could be an alternate universe version or something. But if they were to convince someone like Patrick Stewart or Hugh Jackman to come back, I think they'd be more likely to use them in a bigger movie than a TV show, but who knows!

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

As much as I'd love to see Fassbender come back (he was the best part of the "prequel" X-Men movies), he's already played Magneto four times and if the MCU is setting up a new incarnation of the X-Men, I'm sure they'll want an actor who will be around for the long haul and reprise the role 5+ times over the course of a decade or so. I doubt Fassbender is willing to give that much more of his life to superhero movies on top of the four he's already done. Maybe he could be an alternate universe version or something. But if they were to convince someone like Patrick Stewart or Hugh Jackman to come back, I think they'd be more likely to use them in a bigger movie than a TV show, but who knows!

He's 43 but looks like he could still be in his mid 30's. To be honest, it would actually be a nice natural progression age wise if he were to sign on for the long haul; it could definitely work, but I'm not getting my expectations that high for this reveal. We'll see!

[Haysey_Draws]

I'd loose my shit if Fassbender turned up! Imagine him playing Magneto in some really good movies like First Class again!

[ghostaustin]

Man, the MCU just got REAL interesting

[marodi]

I know we all thinking Magneto and why, but if it's all in Wanda's head, what other mutant can get in there and fix things up?

I know, I know... I'm a die hard Professor X fangirl. Sue me! Also, there is a third option for the role of Xavier: Harry Lloyd did play him in Legion.

[allegate]

Internet minefield until I can watch it tonight.

[eversonpoe]

Internet minefield until I can watch it tonight.

you're telling me! we usually watch on sunday!

[allegate]

Well. I guess if it's something you already knew about it's not as smashing? Still, gave the fam something to think about...though at the same time they didn't really care either because "it's still Quicksilver, Jesus." so I guess Disney buying Fox was all for naught.

also the D+ app was down for most of the evening, we could only watch it on my phone casted to the television for some reason.

[Wretchedest]

I actually think it lacked impact, not because I knew it was coming, but because the fuller implications of his appearance aren't realized.

Like what if it's just this cameo? Then it's nothing and it's not interesting almost at all. It's a neat thing that happened. If it leads to more X-Men shit, then it gets more interesting. If it just leads to some non-mutant shit that happens to be in the Wanda/Vision/Strange orbit... I guess that feels underwhelming to me.

With all the spider man crossover stuff coming up... You'd think that would end up applying to mutants, right? Since incorporating mutants is so much of a logistical problem, opening up a whole multiverse seems to me like it would be mostly for their benefit. Especially as a comic that so heavily leans on alternate universes and timelines.

[bobbie solo]

I'm also VERY curious about Rambeau's (lack of) personal test results, and her clear beef with Captain Marvel. And us comic book nerds have known about the near unlimited power levels Scarlet Witch has had in the books for decades, so I wonder what the TV/movie audience will think now that they explicitly said she has the power to resurrect.

[allegate]

I had to pause the show at the "she doesn't have a funny nickname?" discussion because everyone was like what do you mean she doesn't have a funny nickname? and we had to have a short and spirited discussion about the Mandela effect of how they've never called her the Scarlet Witch in this canon.


The closest anyone has come to calling her it was when Tony Stark referred to her as a witch in Age of Ultron.

Also, was X-Man Pietro as much of a Jersey boy? I don't recall that he was, but then this is new territory overall.
I actually think it lacked impact, not because I knew it was coming, but because the fuller implications of his appearance aren't realized.

Like what if it's just this cameo? Then it's nothing and it's not interesting almost at all. It's a neat thing that happened. If it leads to more X-Men shit, then it gets more interesting. If it just leads to some non-mutant shit that happens to be in the Wanda/Vision/Strange orbit... I guess that feels underwhelming to me.

With all the spider man crossover stuff coming up... You'd think that would end up applying to mutants, right? Since incorporating mutants is so much of a logistical problem, opening up a whole multiverse seems to me like it would be mostly for their benefit. Especially as a comic that so heavily leans on alternate universes and timelines.

well, it was a stinger at the end of the episode. Next week when we're in the 90s I'm sure they'll go into it more.

[MrLobster]

Finally finished up rewatching S2 of The Punisher (took some time off from watching)... lots of maladapting psychology on display. I liked Jon Pilgrim. Billy got what was coming to him. Not sure If I'd like another whole season of The Punisher but using him in others stories would be sufficient for me (as has been rumoured lately).

Just have Jessica Jones S3 to finish up and I'll be done with Marvel for a while (until a lot more hit Disney+ or Disney/Marvel lets WandaVision out via Apple iTunes to be bought per season).

[Haysey_Draws]

I like what they are doing so far, it's so hard to tell exactly where this is going but i think it's safe to assume that...

(https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/misc.php?do=bbcode#spoiler)This is MCU's House of M (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/misc.php?do=bbcode#spoiler)

(https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/misc.php?do=bbcode#spoiler)This is how X-men are introduced starting with Pietro, but it might not be what we all think it is (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/misc.php?do=bbcode#spoiler)

(https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/misc.php?do=bbcode#spoiler)They are setting up fight between what i have said are the strongest Avengers, Captain Marvel and Scarlett Witch...with the potential for the 3rd of the strongest right now to arrive...Dr Strange (remember he also almost took out Thanos on his own in Infinity War, and unlike SW (who'd had her powers for decades) and CM (who was at her peak of powers) he was still very much early in his career as the sorcerer supreme at the time) (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/misc.php?do=bbcode#spoiler)

They are doing good things with this!

[dlb]

Never thought I'd say that, but this might be one of my favorite things in the whole MCU!

And I wasn't even too fond of Vision and Wanda before. But this is made so well and detailled, although a little wonky at first, that it keeps me on the edge of my seat more than the high-class CGI-bombast in cinemas. And I'm afraid I've developed a huge crush on Olsen... the scene outside the Hex? Badass and my favorite female Marvel-movie character! :D

No, this as well as Dr Strange 2 is what I want to see the most out of Marvel right now, and I really hope they don't fuck up X-Men and F4 once again, whatever they might have up their sleeves at this point. Or maybe they are just teasing. For now. Personally I don't wish for too many crossovers and multiverses, yet if they pull it off I'm down for everything. Can't wait for espisode 6!

Loved how very Magneto-like Wanda was handling the security guys and letting them point their guns at Director Hayward... I'd probably die if Fassbender shows up in this somehow.

[Haysey_Draws]

One thing Fox got right was casting, and i do really feel like Fassbender should get at least one more stab at M in a good movie. Imagine what he could do in the MCU with people how know what to do with him, an antagonist to rival Loki/Thanos.

[MrLobster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWBsDaFWyTE

[sonic_discord]

I've been enjoying WandaVision, but THAT is the show I've been looking forward to! Great trailer, can't wait!

[bobbie solo]

That trailer is better than the earlier teaser I had caught.

[Magnetic]

Seriously looking forward to this one!!

[thelastdisciple]

I wonder if it's a good thing that they're leading with WandaVision vs. the other shows like Falcon and Winter Soldier or Loki.

If they had opened with one of the more action-packed, blockbuster level shows and then followed it with WandaVision, would folks have been given a precedent of what to expect and been extremely disappointed? (I mean i guess there's still some level of that already having to follow the movies but...)

I think WV is decent springboard to ease folks in to what we've got coming up.

[allegate]

I think opening with WV was smart, especially with the year that they had off after Endgame. It wasn't planned but it was a certain kind of bonus that there was that breathing room. It was a way to reset the board and give the stories breathing room, I think. Now WV is doing a slow burn back into everything and then you have FWS right after and then Loki and What If, never mind the BW movie that's also a step backwards, of a sort.

[dlb]

Although I really hate the chemistry between Falcon and Bucky and I'm really not interested in Loki (still, Hiddleston is amazing in this role!), after WandaVision I'm really intrigued if they tie into the next phase just as much as much. I don't see any big point in Black Widow despite giving Johansson a more proper send-off and in order to appease fans a bit more. Hawkeye? Really not sure about that one either.

But so far, WandaVision, Dr Strange 2, Thor 4, Guardians 3 and Spider-Man really seem to add up to something really big. Something so big that I'm not sure of Eternals and Shang-Chi etc. can live up to the hype.

Wow, my head is spinning thinking about what's about to come and that it might all really connect somehow. Seems like a big overkill for now, but color me excited for the future...

And what about Venom 2? Pretty bummed out we didn't get a trailer....

[MrLobster]

https://twitter.com/JosephPIllidge/status/1358805532954476547

[allegate]

So many wrenches are being thrown in one episode. I kind of love it. Dark too.

[allegate]

Swear to God. I had several well-written paragraphs and accidentally closed the tab. ARGH.

So...short version, not well-written:

Cataracts affect your Vision. ba-dum-tish.

Pietro's actually dead and not a mutant. He said he's dead. He's also oddly cognizant of the world he's in, much more so than anyone thus far. It's like he's the guy at the Con asking the writers why they did things a certain way in the show. I bet that was weird to write.

Also bubble got bigger and I think that's the seed for mutants ("molecular changes to DNA" or whatever she said) so when the bubble pops boom random mutations in the world = mutants. Kind of like the Inhumans. Which now that I say that I really hope I'm wrong because no one likes them.

No one.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Ugghh... After this episode, I'm am sooo stoked to see if what I'm thinking will come true after that ending. Makes perfect sense.

[Wretchedest]

Wanda creating mutants this way creates tons of problems if you want to introduce Wolverine, Magneto, Apocalypse... Any character with a distant past backstory

[Haysey_Draws]

Big theory i've been hearing what if...

Pietro's a plant, but not from SWORD or the big bad (whoever that is)...from Dr Strange! We all know Stranges movie will be the mulitiverse and Wanda, so it makes sense he has dabbled a bit by bringing another Pietro into the universe to try and get through to Wanda?

[DF118]

Big theory i've been hearing what if...

Pietro's a plant, but not from SWORD or the big bad (whoever that is)...from Dr Strange! We all know Stranges movie will be the mulitiverse and Wanda, so it makes sense he has dabbled a bit by bringing another Pietro into the universe to try and get through to Wanda?

My money's on this. I'm pretty sure that Agnes is the villain here.

[otnavuskire]

My money's on this. I'm pretty sure that Agnes is the villain here.

There's a theory out there that Agnes is actually Agatha Harkness.

[DF118]

There's a theory out there that Agnes is actually Agatha Harkness.

Yah.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Y'all gotta think bigger... Watching again, Quicks comment of "Demon Spawn" referring to Tommy... Telling Wanda what she wants to hear, this all sounds like we're getting a Mephisto reveal. Plus, Anges is just a play off of both Agatha and Harkness... Also, all the characters costumes were accurate to the comics so it makes sense she would be dressed as a damn witch lol. This is what I was explaining above, not the X-men.

And I'll go even deeper with the yo-magic commercial that didn't have a hydra reference from what I remember. In the comic, Mephisto absorbs the children so the kid not being able to open the yogurt and slowly die in front of us made me immediately think of this.

Love that this series has made me dust off my comics and give them a gander again.

[allegate]

It's great television keeping the villain reveal to the end like this but it's weird for the MCU to this point as well. Usually you know by the end of the first act of the movie why the good guys are fighting the bad guys.

Love it, but it's going to be strange moving forward. No pun intended.

[dlb]

so the teaser for episode 7 has a glimpse of someone with a very familiar looking helmet... if it's indeed Magneto and Fassbender underneath I will run around my neighbourhood naked and screaming!

The show is still extremely good at keeping me on the edge of my seat. Some stuff seems a bit wonky and I'm not really feeling Peters here, but the stuff outside the Hex is ultimately exciting to watch and I can't wait for a Wanda getting in on the action more as the finale approaches.

[eversonpoe]

rewatching Age Of Ultron right now and, while i don't dislike it as much as Iron Man 2, it's really not a good movie, and i derive almost no enjoyment from it. that said, it does give us Wanda & Vision, and there are a few cool moments (especially the Peggy & Cap hallucination) but it very much suffers from Whedonitis (yes i just coined that). and james spader is so​ miscast and over the top.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

rewatching Age Of Ultron right now and, while i don't dislike it as much as Iron Man 2, it's really not a good movie, and i derive almost no enjoyment from it. that said, it does give us Wanda & Vision, and there are a few cool moments (especially the Peggy & Cap hallucination) but it very much suffers from Whedonitis (yes i just coined that). and james spader is so​ miscast and over the top.

Hmm, I found Spader to be the most redeeming factor; he's fantastic.

I do agree though with everything else. The direction and tone is all over the place with a few memorable shots/scenes/characters. It never really came together in a cohesive way unfortunately, and they could have at least had a send off or ANYTHING for Pietro sacrificing himself. Made no sense to me.

[MrLobster]

Cuttelfish. Whomp whomp whomp....

[marodi]

Hmm, I found Spader to be the most redeeming factor; he's fantastic.

Agreed. Maybe Spader is an acquired taste for some, though. I love him and it was such a huge kick to see him again in a movie with RDJ.

Paul Bettany as Vision is another highlight of AoU. Speaking of Bettany, here's a little story he shared last month about Whedon being weird:

https://twitter.com/LightsCameraPod/status/1354198867361853449?s=20

[eversonpoe]

i actually really like james spader, i just don't think he was right for Ultron. alan tudyk would have been a much better choice.

[marodi]

^^^

OMG I adore Alan Tudyk! He would have been great too, I'm sure. I'm watching him right now in Resident Alien and he's sooo much fun!

[Magnetic]

i actually really like james spader, i just don't think he was right for Ultron. alan tudyk would have been a much better choice.

I really didn't enjoy Spader in this. The whole movie felt like a disjointed hot mess, and Spader's zing just didn't fit.

[Jord]

so the teaser for episode 7 has a glimpse of someone with a very familiar looking helmet... if it's indeed Magneto and Fassbender underneath I will run around my neighbourhood naked and screaming!

I saw a couple of these trailers that were fan made - is there a legit one?

[Haysey_Draws]

^^^

OMG I adore Alan Tudyk! He would have been great too, I'm sure. I'm watching him right now in Resident Alien and he's sooo much fun!

Alan Tudyk just needs to be in more stuff honestly!

[dlb]

I saw a couple of these trailers that were fan made - is there a legit one?

Hmm, looking at it a bit more closely, it's fake. Damnit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyAKdLRC4yo

[allegate]

that's why I only go to official pages for trailers. I fucking hate fake trailers that don't even try to say they're fan made. It's for clicks or spoilers.

[Haysey_Draws]

I'm all for fan trailers/stuff, but if it's just to fool people just for clicks then they can fuck off honestly.

[MrLobster]

Alan Tudyk just needs to be in more stuff honestly!

Have you checked out the series "Con Man"?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkdrh156jjs

(Warning; Joss is in the trailer... but that scene is basically the only one he's in in the series)

[eversonpoe]

Have you checked out the series "Con Man"?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkdrh156jjs

(Warning; Joss is in the trailer... but that scene is basically the only one he's in in the series)

still need to watch that, the trailers looked hilarious

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Alan Tudyk just needs to be in more stuff honestly!

I wholeheartedly agree, but as Ultron? Nah...

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/getFANDOM/status/1362487248541741059?s=20

[dlb]

Nice! I'm really pumped for this movie and a nice score by Elfman makes this even better!

So WandaVision... we got the big reveal, apart from that not much did happen, but lots of questions are raised. I am really looking forward to the last two episodes and I hope shit goes down with a big finale and maybe an even bigger cliffhanger for Strange 2.

[allegate]

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welp, muting some words because I forgot to download it before I left for work.

[Swykk]

It was [REDACTED] all along!

Also, that was actually a Mephisto reference, like for real this time, right?

[neorev]

By the way, there is a post credits scene this episode of Wandavision. Or is it a mid-credits scene as it's in between the TV pixels credits and standard white font on black background credits? No other episode had one of these as far as I know.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Man... This episode. Soo many possibilities! What I didn't really enjoy was:

Agatha's reveal. I realllyyyy hope it is Mephisto's doing that she is acting full on villain because it is the complete opposite for her character; we'll see.

After the scene where Wanda realizes something is up, they focus on the bunny again which I thought may have been Agatha's familiar for the show since she has a cat that can shape shift in the comic, so it's either Nicholas, her son, or her cat lol. There are a few storylines connected to this, along with the Nexus commercial that pretty much links the multiverse so I'm really curious as to where they will bring it and makes so much sense on how they would implement the X-men into this timeline. House of M and Fantastic 4 come to mind as well here.

And... The support helping Monica has to be Skrulls, right?

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/nocontextpawnee/status/1362906390851776514

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1364353379145834496?s=20

not a fan of either, though this fan-made one is pretty nice.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu8sd1SWgAMhxQ-?format=jpg&name=900x900

[eversonpoe]

Spider-Man: Home On The Range

In hiding from his identity being revealed, Peter Parker gets a job at a dude ranch that turns out to be owned by the Osborn family...

:p

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1364388013418156036?s=19

[MrLobster]

again, missing the obvious one....

Spider-Man: Work From Home

[sonic_discord]

There was a fan-made poster with the title "Spider-Man: Homeworlds," which I liked the sound of and it supports/works well with the multi-verse concept. Otherwise I also like "Homesick," "Too Close to Home" and "Home Away From Home."
But I have a feeling they might avoid the "home" thing this time around and just go with something that doesn't conform to that naming convention.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

No Way Home is the official title and coming this Christmas.

https://twitter.com/SpiderManMovie/status/1364631273226919937?s=19

[sonic_discord]

I like it. It seems to allude to possibly being lost in a multi-verse and/or not being able to return to life before being "outed" as Spider-Man (though I expect they'll have fixed that by the end of the movie somehow). I was wondering if they'd announce the actual title today, after floating the 3 fake ones yesterday.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

I like it. It seems to allude to possibly being lost in a multi-verse and/or not being able to return to life before being "outed" as Spider-Man (though I expect they'll have fixed that by the end of the movie somehow). I was wondering if they'd announce the actual title today, after floating the 3 fake ones yesterday.

The marker board has little hex symbols drawn on it. I'm freaking out jussttt a tad.

[allegate]

speaking of hexes...

https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1363914415041482753

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

speaking of hexes...

https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1363914415041482753

OH yes. I researched the hell out of this when it was first revealed. We need answers like, now.

[allegate]

So that bit from Elizabeth Olsen buried under SuperPro there is about an upcoming cameo. On top of that, said cameo was leaked to the Internet and has been making its way around. I had to stop letting YouTube do it's recommendation thing because I noticed a lot of "is it ___" and "or is it ___" videos starting to pop up in the queue.

I've listened to some speculation because it was part of the podcast I was listening to but other than that I've tried to stay away from the leaked information. The only thing I am sure of is that the show leads into Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness so it could be one of several people. And since Spider-Man 3 part 2 is coming out before that and we know that film is very potentially also dealing with the multiverse? Never mind the whole "can it be introducing mutants here?" aspect.

so that's the only speculation I've done and it's only with knowing what is officially confirmed. I want to be surprised by the "Luke Skywalker-level cameo" when it happens.
One thing I keep thinking about in regards to the spoiler talk about the cameo, both of them have said "someone they've always wanted to work with" and that definitely precludes pretty much the entire MCU field at this point because they worked with almost all of them on the Avengers movies. Doesn't mean they're not waving their misdirecting hands around, though.

[sonic_discord]

speaking of hexes...

https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1363914415041482753

Holy shit, I'm sure that's exactly what it is! The amount of planning that goes into the MCU and all of its installments and how they interconnect with one another never ceases to amaze me! I love how much sense that makes and yet it never even occurred to me until now.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/floacist/status/934568178679676929

note the date.

[allegate]

So I guess we know what cataract is now.

[bobbie solo]

great episode. I hope the naysayers who hated the first few episodes b/c they have the patience of a gnat will now shut up as everything was tied back in together re: the sitcom angle. As if it was some great leap to infer that she fell in love with American sitcoms at some point in her past & them being her coping mechanism would make sense.

I feel like they powered up Agatha Harkness a bit for the show, but that's ok so she can to go toe to toe with the extremely OP Scarlet Witch. Catherine Hahn is great so far, despite the writing for her throughout all those flashbacks. Holy expo dump.

I doubt we get much wrapped up this week. Gonna be alot of dangling things that will go off into multiple properties in the future, as has been discussed.


cataract: a medical condition in which the lens of the eye becomes progressively opaque, resulting in blurred vision.

[Swykk]

Everything I’ve seen and heard indicates this’ll play out in the second Dr Strange movie.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

It's pretty obvious what they are doing with Agatha, the book, and her being connected to Dormammu. Can't say I'm thrilled how they are handling Agatha Harkness, but I digress. If she is instead helping her in some twisted way, I'd be down for that.

The end credits scene has me crazy excited. They actually did it. I'm expecting a Vision vs Vision stand-off which can make things go bonkers and even Scarlett for that matter. This could end up merging realities and actually getting the body swap like in the comics for Vision.

[allegate]

I'm fully expecting Monica to show up and somehow provide the power for the two Visions to merge like in her one story-line.


cataract: a medical condition in which the lens of the eye becomes progressively opaque, resulting in blurred vision.

I never understood the whole thing where "Cataract was the dead people because they had milky eyes" line of thinking. Too specific and random to make sense.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

I'm fully expecting Monica to show up and somehow provide the power for the two Visions to merge like in her one story-line
I like this.

[sonic_discord]

This was the best episode of the series so far, IMO. I loved the revisiting of all of the pivotal points in her life. Really looking forward to next Friday to see how they wrap it all up. It's supposed to be a 50-minute episode, too!

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Watching again, they really did the Dragonball Z power beam stand-off; I couldn't help but laugh during that Coven scene. Still really cool, and I love all the witch stuff. They also did a great job with Wanda's grief and them planning out their lives... Ugh, how gut wrenching

... and Hayward is such a generic bad guy. Ugh, he needs to disappear.

[allegate]

I like how the different magics have different colors, even Dr. Strange.

[eversonpoe]

I like how the different magics have different colors, even Dr. Strange.

yeah, it's not just "good / evil"

[allegate]

I was listening to a podcast last night and something they said made me go off on a thought:

So we learned the Wanda was born with the Chaos Magic. We also learned that magics have specific colors and Chaos = Red. We see it every time she does anything, right? But we also see that the Mind Stone is yellow. Something happened with her and the Mind Stone and to this point we've assumed that's what gave her the powers she has but it turns out it wasn't that at all because maybe she's born with it.

Anyway. What color is the Mind Stone? It's yellow. what color is the magic that created nüVision? It's yellow. What I'm thinking is that the Mind Stone did give her something, like maybe a Green Lantern battery charge, but that was used to create nüVision. I mean Agatha said Chaos Magic is for creation and so maybe she literally created a new mind stone for him.

Though the "zombie Vision" thing is a burr on this. I have to assume it's a situation of she sees what she expects to see in those moments vs. the illusion, maybe? hard to think about too hard because we know she created actual Vision but then she sees him as the zombie so both can't be right, can they?

second thought, this one about mutants:

I think that Evan Peters was a false-flag operation by Disney. "Oh hey, we've got this guy and is he a mutant? is he from Fox's X-Men? who can tell?" and then you have hundreds of articles talking about mutants and now everyone is primed for mutants / x-men to show up. It's not going to be this show but the heavy lifting of "what tf is a mutant?" for the masses is sort of done for them. they're probably going to still do something but a lot of what they needed to do was crowd-sourced by the fans and media with all of the articles and speculation.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/The_Illuminerdi/status/1367612831055585281?s=20

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Well I'll be damned...

[Wretchedest]

That graphic is a mock up and I wouldn't call that source at all reliable. Especially if you read their article they have absolutely zero information

[dlb]

Wow! That was a proper finale! I haven't been excited and teary eyed because of a Marvel production like this before, not even Endgame.

I don't know what the last after-credits scene really means, but I guess this is her astral form studying the book and it will throw is into the multiverse of madness? And things are far from over? Is she an outcast now, neither good or bad? And is that the lake house where Tony's funeral was being held?.

And who sent the Skrull for Monica? Fury? I guess so since even the German dubbing explicitly mentions "him". So we probably won't see Monica for a while or maybe in Captain Marvel 2, if that is still planned.

I was expecting something else for both scenes, but I can't wait for Dr. Strange 2 now, which after a second viewing these days has become one of my favorite Marvel movies.

Very happy for Lizzy Olsen too and such a fantastic kick-off to the Marvel TV-shows/movie tie-ins and her role being elevated this much. She' become my favorite Avenger now together with Strange and the Guardians.

One thing that I can't wrap my mind around though: With the Hex gone, doesn't that mean Agnes is back to being Harkness again and roaming free? So far Kathryn Hahn isn't cast in Strange 2...

[allegate]

That graphic is a mock up and I wouldn't call that source at all reliable. Especially if you read their article they have absolutely zero information
100% but I think I like that title. Granted it would be better as an introduction to Mutants in general and then you can have your X-Men and X-Man and Magneto Origins later. Best to introduce the concept.

Which is opposite of what I said above but both would be great. :)

also not reading those spoilers...kind of glad I'm in training all day so I can't get on twitter.

[WorzelG]

We’re trying to catch up with the MCU in my family and just finished Black Panther and I bloody loved it! Who is going to fill Chadwick Boseman’s shoes? Also Dr Strange and Thor Ragnaorok were great - Thor was a surprise as I thought the previous one was a bit shit with the Dark Elves. Ant Man was surprisingly good though, the giant Thomas the Tank Engine was funny,

anyway looking forward to watching Infinty War this weekend and being fully updated by 4 weeks and then we can actually watch Wanda Vision as we subscribed to Disney Plus this year

[eversonpoe]

We’re trying to catch up with the MCU in my family and just finished Black Panther and I bloody loved it! Who is going to fill Chadwick Boseman’s shoes? Also Dr Strange and Thor Ragnaorok were great - Thor was a surprise as I thought the previous one was a bit shit with the Dark Elves. Ant Man was surprisingly good though, the giant Thomas the Tank Engine was funny,

anyway looking forward to watching Infinty War this weekend and being fully updated by 4 weeks and then we can actually watch Wanda Vision as we subscribed to Disney Plus this year

i don't think they're planning to replace boseman, i believe that the women in wakanda will be picking up and continuing on. i'm guessing okoye will be the new black panther, which would be fucking awesome.

[allegate]

So I was like 65% right, I'm down with that. :)
Wow! That was a proper finale! I haven't been excited and teary eyed because of a Marvel production like this before, not even Endgame.

I don't know what the last after-credits scene really means, but I guess this is her astral form studying the book and it will throw is into the multiverse of madness? And things are far from over? Is she an outcast now, neither good or bad? And is that the lake house where Tony's funeral was being held?.

And who sent the Skrull for Monica? Fury? I guess so since even the German dubbing explicitly mentions "him". So we probably won't see Monica for a while or maybe in Captain Marvel 2, if that is still planned.

I was expecting something else for both scenes, but I can't wait for Dr. Strange 2 now, which after a second viewing these days has become one of my favorite Marvel movies.

Very happy for Lizzy Olsen too and such a fantastic kick-off to the Marvel TV-shows/movie tie-ins and her role being elevated this much. She' become my favorite Avenger now together with Strange and the Guardians.

One thing that I can't wrap my mind around though: With the Hex gone, doesn't that mean Agnes is back to being Harkness again and roaming free? So far Kathryn Hahn isn't cast in Strange 2...
1a) yeah, that sounds about right.
1b) definitely, since MOM
1c) hmm, or both since 2x?
1d) no idea, but that's an interesting thought.

2a) sounds like that.
2b) why not? He's with her, for the most part.

3a) no, she was left there in real Westview.
3b) still don't know who Jimmy was looking for, guess it's not that important.

[WorzelG]

i don't think they're planning to replace boseman, i believe that the women in wakanda will be picking up and continuing on. i'm guessing okoye will be the new black panther, which would be fucking awesome.
That would be amazing as I loved the Wakanda female fighting force. Also it’s funny that we predicted that they would be helped by the Jabari at the end in an almost Gandalf appearing at the third sunrise kind of way, ha ha, it was a bit Phantom Menace at the end with the various battles but GOOD? I’m actually loving most of the MCU although I don’t enjoy the Guardians of the Galaxy films as much as other people seem to

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

The ending felt off and like something was missing. Eh... Now we play, the waiting game. Some cool stuff in there, but man did this feel very Disney washed.
The one thing I really liked was at the very end. She is doing the astral thingy Doctor Strange does when they show his body sleeping, but very much awake reading stuff like Scarlett is.

[allegate]

probably not the right book to be studying though.

speaking of that book, what does this mean for Agents of SHIELD? I thought that book was in there?

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

probably not the right book to be studying though.

speaking of that book, what does this mean for Agents of SHIELD? I thought that book was in there?

Agreed lol. It makes me worried that This is the beginning of the last time we will see the Wanda we have all watched for years now. I haven't watched AOS unfortunately.

[allegate]

Where did New Vision go when he yeeted off after getting Fake Vision’s memories

I've seen a lot of articles saying this, but that's not what happened, right? Vision says something to the effect of "they're not deleted, they're just locked away" and he helps white Vision remember. It's even said at one point in a past episode that "I can't remember anything before here".

[Reaps]

Got this weird feeling the necromonicon will show up in the next Dr Strange Movie, what with Raimi giving Bruce Campbell a cameo and Wanda going full on Witch mode. Well i can dream anyway..

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Where did New Vision go when he yeeted off after getting Fake Vision’s memories

I've seen a lot of articles saying this, but that's not what happened, right? Vision says something to the effect of "they're not deleted, they're just locked away" and he helps white Vision remember. It's even said at one point in a past episode that "I can't remember anything before here".

They handled this extremely poorly imo.

[allegate]

the explanation in-episode, or just the transfer in general?

[otnavuskire]

the explanation in-episode, or just the transfer in general?

There is no "transfer." The original Vision already had the memories. Hayward had restricted his access to them. New Vision just unlocked them.

[Archive_Reports]

Absolutely loved the whole series aside from the finale. A ton of build up and it ultimately just felt anti-climactic.

[Jord]

Not sure what to feel still about the finale. Loved it, thought it was some of the best Marvel I've seen, but also felt a little hollow in some parts, partly because White Vision just fucking dipped without any further explanation and furthermore, Ralph Bohner??? Y'all strung me along with the hope of a multiverse along with Evan Peters Quicksilver just for a boner joke?

I am intrigued that Wanda's kids still seem to exist as she heard them at the end, meaning further exploration of that storyline in future Movies. Part of me also wonders what Ralph was doing in witness protection according to Agatha, so maybe there was more to Evan Peter's character than meets the eye.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/ben_rosen/status/1368318255056625664

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Not sure what to feel still about the finale. Loved it, thought it was some of the best Marvel I've seen, but also felt a little hollow in some parts, partly because White Vision just fucking dipped without any further explanation and furthermore, Ralph Bohner??? Y'all strung me along with the hope of a multiverse along with Evan Peters Quicksilver just for a boner joke?

I am intrigued that Wanda's kids still seem to exist as she heard them at the end, meaning further exploration of that storyline in future Movies. Part of me also wonders what Ralph was doing in witness protection according to Agatha, so maybe there was more to Evan Peter's character than meets the eye.

All of this. This is how I feel, exactly lol. Once he leaves and fake Vision comes out the the building, NO ONE acknowledges or even asks what may have happened to him? I can sort of understand why Vision didn't say anything, or the kids not asking, but not even Wanda asking anything??

[neorev]

The ending was 50/50. It didn't quite land all the way with me. Felt a little off.

[allegate]

Not sure what to feel still about the finale. Loved it, thought it was some of the best Marvel I've seen, but also felt a little hollow in some parts, partly because White Vision just fucking dipped without any further explanation and furthermore, Ralph Bohner??? Y'all strung me along with the hope of a multiverse along with Evan Peters Quicksilver just for a boner joke?

I am intrigued that Wanda's kids still seem to exist as she heard them at the end, meaning further exploration of that storyline in future Movies. Part of me also wonders what Ralph was doing in witness protection according to Agatha, so maybe there was more to Evan Peter's character than meets the eye.

Ralph was the missing witness? I missed that, I think.
There is no "transfer." The original Vision already had the memories. Hayward had restricted his access to them. New Vision just unlocked them.
right, that's what I meant.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Things that you discover on the internet...

https://youtu.be/ytwyePZH78w

[WorzelG]

Just watched Infinity War, Jesus that must have been depressing to watch at the cinema and know you had to wait a year for the conclusion! Only 3 more to go and I’m all caught up with the MCU

[Wretchedest]

It definitely made endgame all the more exciting in the theater on day 1

[otnavuskire]

Just watched Infinity War, Jesus that must have been depressing to watch at the cinema and know you had to wait a year for the conclusion! Only 3 more to go and I’m all caught up with the MCU

There's four movies after IW though!

[bobbie solo]

Something happened with her and the Mind Stone and to this point we've assumed that's what gave her the powers she has but it turns out it wasn't that at all because maybe she's born with it.

https://media.tenor.com/images/19a87ecc11eb58beb443c437abd8fb31/tenor.gif

[bobbie solo]

I think that Evan Peters was a false-flag operation by Disney. "Oh hey, we've got this guy and is he a mutant? is he from Fox's X-Men? who can tell?" and then you have hundreds of articles talking about mutants and now everyone is primed for mutants / x-men to show up. It's not going to be this show but the heavy lifting of "what tf is a mutant?" for the masses is sort of done for them. they're probably going to still do something but a lot of what they needed to do was crowd-sourced by the fans and media with all of the articles and speculation.

It was def. a red herring to mess w/the fans. I'm ok with it b/c it was fun and cleverly done. And Wanda's abilities do have some effect on causing powers/mutations/something, b/c what she created is responsible for Monica's new powers. Or that's at least what we're led to believe at this point.

[bobbie solo]

probably not the right book to be studying though.

speaking of that book, what does this mean for Agents of SHIELD? I thought that book was in there?

AoS is over. Finale was last year. And the show eventually made it clear it wasn't going to play in the movie sandbox anyway.

[bobbie solo]

https://twitter.com/naznawar/status/1368465761916829696

https://twitter.com/BpopeTV/status/1368336476270891009

this meme has been very entertaining all weekend.

[bobbie solo]

And I know I should understand this, but I can be dumb. Can someone explain what specifically Agnes wanted to do with Wanda's powers (literally extract the power from her? Or did she just want to control her?), and why Wanda then just started hurling her magic/power at her during the flying fight scene? It felt like she was giving up. Was that just a ruse that led to her runes trick? And what the hell was the runes trick when they were in the air? How does that work exactly?

[WorzelG]

There's four movies after IW though!
I forgot about Spiderman Far From Home!

[allegate]

And I know I should understand this, but I can be dumb. Can someone explain what specifically Agnes wanted to do with Wanda's powers (literally extract the power from her? Or did she just want to control her?), and why Wanda then just started hurling her magic/power at her during the flying fight scene? It felt like she was giving up. Was that just a ruse that led to her runes trick? And what the hell was the runes trick when they were in the air? How does that work exactly?
Agnes was very disingenuous about power, even in Salem. "I can be better!" but sucked their power anyway. She was the shark in the Yo Magic commercial, basically.

as for hurling power, she was crafting the runes in the walls of the hex which, since it had a roof, was a 'room' of a sort. so once the runes were on the 'walls' of the room, her power was restricted. The wishy-washy part of this though was that she was still flying though. But it was an illusion, Michael.

https://i.gifer.com/1A18.gif

I was unsure if it was intentional that Agatha/Agnes was supposed to seem weak-willed when it came to her own power. It was played two different ways and it just seemed like it was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Or shark, if you will.
AoS is over. Finale was last year. And the show eventually made it clear it wasn't going to play in the movie sandbox anyway.
Right, but I thought that the Darkhold was in that show as well? I was just wondering if someone who had seen both versions could comment.

[thelastdisciple]

The last thing that happened with the Darkhold in Agents of Shield was that Robbie Reyes/Ghost Rider took it through a portal to another dimension. So if there was any connective tissue whatsoever between the show and films (yes, i know what's been said before about it) i have to imagine Agatha Harkness could have easily snatched it up from there somehow or it was handed to her by whatever evil forces she might serve. Chthon, Mephisto? who knows.

[allegate]

The Darkhold appears in the fourth season (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agents_of_S.H.I.E.L.D._(season_4)) of the television series Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agents_of_S.H.I.E.L.D.)[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkhold#cite_note-10) According to S.H.I.E.L.D. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.H.I.E.L.D.) agent Phil Coulson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Coulson), this version of the Darkhold was sought by numerous parties over the years. While its pages appear blank, words will manifest before corporeal readers in their native language. The book was found by Momentum Labs workers Joseph Bauer and his wife Lucy, who used it in their research to create matter from nothing. However, the lab technician Eli Morrow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Morrow) became obsessed with the power the Darkhold offered, turning Lucy and her co-workers into ghost-like beings and putting Joseph into a coma in his pursuit to claim it, only to learn it was hidden away. After freeing her coworkers, Lucy undergoes her own quest to find the Darkhold, restore her physical form, and resume her work.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkhold#cite_note-11) In the episodes "Let Me Stand Next to Your Fire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_Me_Stand_Next_to_Your_Fire)" and "Lockup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockup_(Agents_of_S.H.I.E.L.D.))", Lucy uses her ghostly abilities to revive Joseph and learn the book's location, unintentionally killing him the process. Due to her incorporeal state, Lucy is forced to free Eli from South Ridge Penitentiary and succeeds at the cost of her fellow ghosts. In "The Good Samaritan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Samaritan_(Agents_of_S.H.I.E.L.D.))", Eli and Lucy created a replica of their laboratory at an abandoned Roxxon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxxon_Energy_Corporation) Power Plant. After Melinda May (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_May) contained the Darkhold and Lucy was vanquished by Robbie Reyes / Ghost Rider (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Rider_(Robbie_Reyes)), Eli uses the machine to grant himself the power to create matter from nothing. In "Deals With Our Devils (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deals_With_Our_Devils)", Holden Radcliffe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Radcliffe) has AIDA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDA_(comics)) read the Darkhold so she can create an interdimensional portal and rescue Coulson and Leo Fitz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Fitz) before secretly using her newly acquired knowledge to create LMDs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Model_Decoys). Following Eli's defeat, the Koenig family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Koenig) hid the Darkhold in a S.H.I.E.L.D. base called the Labyrinth until Radcliffe steals it to gain immortality. In "BOOM", the Watchdog (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdogs_(Marvel_Comics)) Superior Anton Ivanov uses the book to assist in his plans in killing Inhumans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhumans). In "Self Control (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_Control_(Agents_of_S.H.I.E.L.D.))", AIDA uses the Darkhold to create LMDs for Ivanov as well as LMD duplicates of Coulson's team. In the season finale, "World's End", Robbie secures the Darkhold following AIDA's defeat and takes it to another dimension to keep it out of the wrong hands.

The Darkhold appears in the third season of the television series Runaways (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaways_(TV_series)).[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkhold#cite_note-12) Having acquired it as of the episode "Merry Meet Again", Morgan le Fay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_le_Fay_(Marvel_Comics)) planned to use its knowledge to conquer Earth following her escape from the Dark Dimension (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Dimension_(comics)) and stored the book at the Essex Tower Hotel. In order to rescue Alex Wilder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Wilder) from the Dark Dimension, Nico Minoru (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nico_Minoru) and her parents Tina and Robert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_(comics)#The_Minoru_family) infiltrate the hotel in an attempt to steal the Darkhold. In "Left-Hand Path", Robert uses his WizGlasses to record select pages to help Nico access the book's spells, but Morgan detects, teleports to, and kills him on his way out. In his final moments however, Robert hands his glasses to Nico, which she later uses in conjunction with the Staff of One to open a portal to the Dark Dimension, only for the spell to summon Cloak and Dagger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloak_and_Dagger_(comics)) instead. In "Devil's Torture Chamber", Nico explains herself to the duo, who help her rescue Alex. In "The Broken Circle", the Runaways (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaways_(comics)) joined forces with Pride (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_(comics)) to use the Darkhold to foil Morgan's plans and send her back to the Dark Dimension.

The Darkhold appears in the MCU live-action series WandaVision (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WandaVision) (2021).[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkhold#cite_note-13)[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkhold#cite_note-14) At some point in time, Agatha Harkness (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Harkness) came into possession of it and used it to determine Wanda Maximoff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanda_Maximoff_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe))'s true nature as the Scarlet Witch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Witch). After defeating Harkness and going into hiding, Maximoff takes the Darkhold for her own use.looks like it popped up on Runaways as well. I totally forgot that - and Cloak and Dagger - existed.

[dlb]

Coming to think of it, I was trying to wrap my mind around what these new television shows mean, as I never watched any other MCU show nor AoS.

It's a pretty bold move to give a character that has been a bit minor so far (only looking at the movies here) such a big developement within a 9-episode run. So catching up with the MCU is bound to become a big chore for people starting now. I understand many people are dissapointed with the finale as it looked like we were being teased so many cool things, yet ultimately cameos, mutants and grander schemes were misinterpreted by the fandom. Wishful thinking at best and I'm guilty as charged here. Although the show-runners certainly teased us, probably to keep us on the edge and invested in the show.

They did a great job imho, especially since never was too fond of Wanda or Vision with Wanda rising up to be among my favorite characters in the entirety of these movies.

Right now, I'd much rather have bigger reveals coming within a proper movie, but that could just be me. So I'm really curious where all of this leads, how Falcon and Loki will expand on it this year and what the new movies will bring to the front. Is Black Widdow only a little side-step / flashback, or will it explain certain things? How will Spider-Man and Strange 2 connect and bring the story forward? Thor? Guardians? Endless possibilities...

I'm pretty happy what Marvel is doing these days, since I was utterly sceptical at first, given the fact that Endgame seemed like such a wrap up where we even said goodbye to key characters. I hope they can keep the momentum and not get deterred with multiverses and stuff like Eternals and Shang-Chi, both of which I have zero interest in for now.

[allegate]

I only know that I had zero idea who Guardians of the Galaxy were and then I saw the movie and it was brilliant. If they keep that up - and WandaVision was definitely a test of that, I think - then I think Eternals and Shang-Chi could be a further expansion of the universe. No pun intended.

Also I heard in an interview with Matt Shakman that they're bringing the Mandarin back for Shang-Chi so that's going to be interesting.

[MrLobster]

looks like it popped up on Runaways as well. I totally forgot that - and Cloak and Dagger - existed.

Cloak and Dagger is very much worth watching.. the Runaways... well, it kinda depends on much tolerance you have teenage drama. Better than Gifted still...

[Wretchedest]

Hey! The Gifted was an inch away from being great

[MrLobster]

Hey! The Gifted was an inch away from being great

The best things was the way they did Blink, the Frosts and Polaris... beyond that... the whole "but we're the GOOD Von Struckers!" just really seemed hollow...

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Saw the leaked images of the supposed baddies in Eternals and that movie is gonna be something. I can feel it

[allegate]

I was reading the director part of the movie and this sounds amazing:
During late August, Marvel's director search for Eternals narrowed to a shortlist that included Chloé Zhao (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlo%C3%A9_Zhao)—who had also been in the running to direct Marvel's Black Widow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Widow_(2021_film)) (2021)—Nicole Kassell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Kassell), Travis Knight (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Knight), and the pair of Cristina Gallego and Ciro Guerra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciro_Guerra).[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternals_(film)#cite_note-Zhao-20) Zhao approached Marvel Studios about making the film as she had been a fan of the MCU and wanted to work with them to bring her own take to the franchise with world-building,[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternals_(film)#cite_note-ZhaoDec2020-22) and was chosen to direct the film a month later,[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternals_(film)#cite_note-Zhao-20)[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternals_(film)#cite_note-Zhao2-23) after impressing Marvel with a presentation that included "reams of visuals" to convey her pitch for the film. Feige called her pitch "fascinating", and said the vision she brought to the film was one of the reasons Zhao was hired.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternals_(film)#cite_note-ZhaoSept2020-24) The presentation left Marvel concerned she might take on a different big-studio project instead, forcing them to move quickly to secure her.[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternals_(film)#cite_note-Zhao-20)[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternals_(film)#cite_note-Zhao2-23) Zhao hoped to push the film "further and bigger" after Avengers: Endgame (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers:_Endgame) (2019), and wanted to bring her love of manga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga) to the project to make it "more of that marriage of East and West".[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternals_(film)#cite_note-ZhaoSept2020-24) As well, she wanted both "scope and scale" and "intimacy" with the film.[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternals_(film)#cite_note-ZhaoWriterJan2021-25)

[Wretchedest]

The best things was the way they did Blink, the Frosts and Polaris... beyond that... the whole "but we're the GOOD Von Struckers!" just really seemed hollow...

Yeah the family kind of sucked as a whole but the core of that idea was good.

Definitely, they killed it with the Cuckoo's and did a solid Polaris and Thunderbird/Warpath. They also did kind of a solid Bishop and a few others... A recurring theme on this show wax doing a knock off version of a popular x men character and giving them a different name. Legion did that too, so I feel like there was a mandate from fox to like literally not be allowed to drop magnetos name or anything. Or maybe a licensing issue.

All the ingredients for something awesome were there, but the whole was less than the sum of it's parts

[dlb]

@allegate (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1739): Well, that hightens my interest for the movie. I still have major problems with the cast, which I find incredibly unlikeable. But hey, all it needs is a good script to make an actor shine, so let's see.

Have there been any statements about the future of all things Marvel and what they have in mind for the bigger picture by Feige? I do get the impression that they'll stick with the core-characters from Phase 1 that we all love by giving them their spotlight with these TV shows and key roles in upcoming movies for other characters, whereas they will follow along different and maybe parallel paths, like stories that take place in the present, stories that take place in the Multiverses and present and some otherworldy stuff.

I'd be down for that and I hope they don't try to sum everything up again under the name of one big bad villain like Thanos. It makes perfect sense for me to keep things fresh and not follow down the same route again, but with different characters. For now it seems to add up nicely one step at a time. What I don't necessarily want is having to see every single movie they do to understand the main story, instead I'd like to focus on the characters and storylines that I'm invested in.

[allegate]

So apparently the witness in the protection is a big deal and is going to come up in a movie if not one of the shows. Feige said that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojGHE581lsM

at 1:15 there are bullets hitting the ground. the problem is that those are bullets, not shells.

[marodi]

at 1:15 there are bullets hitting the ground. the problem is that those are bullets, not shells.

That's because the bullets are being shot at Sam and they are bouncing off the shield or his wings?

This is my favorite tv spot with a bit of behind the scene stuff:


https://youtu.be/2hHjKPTMaVg

[allegate]

if they were deformed slugs? sure. but they're literally bullets poured from a box.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Bulletfixed.PNG/330px-Bulletfixed.PNG

A modern centerfire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centerfire) cartridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartridge_(firearms)) consisting of the following:
1. bullet, as the projectile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile);
2. metallic case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartridge_(firearms)), which holds all parts together;
3. propellant, for example gunpowder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder) or cordite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordite);
4. rim, which provides the extractor on the firearm a place to grip the case to remove it from the chamber once fired;
5. primer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primer_(firearms)), which ignites the propellant.
Not a gun nerd at all but that stood out.

Also does that one lady just jump up and grab the thing and then break it on her knee? wtf was that I wonder.

[Wretchedest]

So apparently the witness in the protection is a big deal and is going to come up in a movie if not one of the shows. Feige said that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojGHE581lsM

at 1:15 there are bullets hitting the ground. the problem is that those are bullets, not shells.
I'm still too angry about Quicksilver to speculate on this

[otnavuskire]

First episode is out! Definitely an interesting start.

[Wretchedest]

Yeah, this just doesn't have that WandaVision magic, but it's alright

[otnavuskire]

It's more along the lines of a typical MCU story, and I'm just fine with that.

[thelastdisciple]

It's more along the lines of a typical MCU story, and I'm just fine with that.
Yeah I'm personally glad to see things moving around and not held down in a particular setting for too long.

[hellospaceboy]

What a forgettable, phoned in first episode. I can see the potential in the show but it's off to a pretty weak start.

[WorzelG]

Just finished Antman and the Wasp - this was such a great film, really funny without ruining the action. It was nice to have such levity after Infinity War - I almost wish I didn't watch the end credits scene!

Only 3 films to go and I will be up to date with the MCU, then its onto the DCEU if that even exists as a concept anymore

[eversonpoe]

Just finished Antman and the Wasp - this was such a great film, really funny without ruining the action. It was nice to have such levity after Infinity War - I almost wish I didn't watch the end credits scene!

Only 3 films to go and I will be up to date with the MCU, then its onto the DCEU if that even exists as a concept anymore

also, hannah john-kamen is fucking amazing in everything (but especially killjoys)

[Magnetic]

What a forgettable, phoned in first episode. I can see the potential in the show but it's off to a pretty weak start.

Yah, I understand that they're setting things up, but I thought the extended character development was overkill. We get it, we got it after the first 5 min conversation, move on.

[Swykk]

I liked the first episode. I think it establishes what it needs to. I’m excited to see Wyatt Russell be an alt right piece of shit for Bucky and Sam to take down.

These fools that are throwing disrespect at Tony Stark online can eat my ass, though.

[allegate]

https://twitter.com/agentbizzle/status/1374014182241095683

still haven't watched it. wanted to last night but the boy said he didn't want to. I'm halfway to downloading it and watching it myself.

[sonic_discord]

I personally loved the first episode and I think this show is off to a great start. As much as I loved WandaVision, that show very much felt like a TV show (which I realize was usually intentional or by design, of course, but the special effects sometimes seemed a little more low-budget than the movies), whereas FatWS felt more cinematic and more like the MCU movies (Winter Soldier's action scenes and Civil War's quieter, more serious moments, in particular). I will say that I'm much more interested in Bucky's story-line so far, but I think it's because his is much more emotionally impactful (and a little heartbreaking). I love Sam's character, but seeing him try to get a bank loan to save the family boat just wasn't quite as interesting as watching Bucky cope with the guilt and PTSD of his past and seeing him struggle to make amends for wrongs that can never be undone. It was really nice to see Rhodey right away and I hope he makes at least one more appearance, maybe even suited up as War Machine. I saw an article where the head writer divulged that this show will set up three other Marvel projects, which I assume will include Armor Wars and Secret Invasion. I've also seen a few reviews saying this show is "more of the same" from Marvel, but I don't think that's a bad thing, especially since the movies I'm most reminded of so far are The Winter Soldier and Civil War, which are two of THE BEST movies in the MCU. If that's the case, sign me the fuck up for more of the same! I'm really looking forward to seeing where this goes!

[neorev]

I thought the first episode was pretty good. Hopefully they can keep it up and, more importantly, stick the landing... unlike Wandavision, which I found the ending to be a bit of a letdown.

[allegate]

well, there they go.

https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1374434035296968704?s=20

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1374438295967522816?s=20

haven't even seen trailers on 3/4 of the Marvel movies coming out this year, two of which were supposed to come out last year.

[sonic_discord]

I mean we all knew it was coming, right? I just hope that this is the last delay. I also hope No Time to Die and Spider-Man: No Way Home don't get pushed back again, those are the three movies I'm most excited to see in theaters this year and I imagine I'll be vaccinated by July.

[dlb]

Hmm so the first two episodes really didn't do anything for me. I liked some of the action especially with Sam, as he's usually my least favorite character of the Avengers and I really dug the Winter Soldier throwbacks. The latter being my only point of interest here as the PTSD seems to be handled quite meaningful here. Bonus points for Munich (my hometown) being a location, although you didn't see the city at all and this could potentially take place in every countryside near the Alps.

Wyatt Russell is going on my nerves already and his sidekick even more, the Flag Smashers don't seem particularly interesting either. But I dig the way this is more cinematic and feels like a proper MCU movie than WandaVision. Let's see where this goes and how Zemo is being incorporated in the story. The show can still become quite cool, but the start imho is incredibily weak so far.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

First two episodes had me engaged, laughing, tearing up, and getting down right mad. They knocked this out of the park imo, and you feel the dread Sam and Bucky are going through, along with how the blip really messed with everything in the long run. They do a good job with how the public perceives the heroes seeing them as just products or nothing more than a selfie after saving their asses countless times. Falcon has always been one of my favorite characters; he is genuine and kicks ass, but I feel him and Bucky are severely nerfed here so far. Their banter is always welcome for me, and the chemistry is almost instant the moment they team up. The show does a really good job tugging with emotions, and the "New" Captain America needs to friggin' go... A face you just wanna punch.

[allegate]

I know that U.S. Agent is a thing but it's weird how advanced he is at things, like he's almost Cap. I wonder if Steve had kids? and reading the wiki for U.S. Agent they mention the Power Broker who was also mentioned in the 2nd episode. obviously not just Zemo I guess.

So far I like the show because it's doing exactly what the trailers said plus maybe garnering some sympathy for the 'bad' guys. I mean, they're kind of saying "hey, Thanos was right and it was better with half the world gone", aren't they?

Also, for the son of Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn...Wyatt Hawn Russell is kind of plain looking. Has a very wide face for that helmet/mask combo.

Wyatt Russell (https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Wyatt_Russell) originally read for the part of Steve Rogers/Captain America (https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_America) for Captain America: The First Avenger (https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_America:_The_First_Avenger), although he was ultimately not chosen for the parthuh, how about that.

[dlb]

Quite interesting as his costume looks like advanced cosplay, but not the real deal. I wonder if that's intentional for this show and his particular role though.

[Wretchedest]

Second episode was great. Really going there with the social commentary

[bobbie solo]

Loving everything so far, and which direction they actually choose to go with USAgent is so intriguing to me. There have been several angles to the character over the years.

I do hope we get some bad guys with powers more interesting and unique than just super serum stuff.

@dlb (https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=307) they filmed all the European stuff in Prague and thereabouts.

[dlb]

bobbie solo: Ah thanks, makes sense as production is way cheaper in Prague and I'm sure people would have gone insane if they knew a Marvel production was being filmed here. Including myself. :D

[Wretchedest]

US Agent is clearly the person texting the Flag Smashers, it's so painfully obvious that he is a villain

[allegate]

I mean, that does a lot to explain how they were there so suddenly - other than the hacking - but it doesn't explain them being afraid of the Power Broker, which is who assumed the texts were coming from. Like there was an "I gave you these powers and you owe me" sound from that text.

But your idea intrigues me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[sonic_discord]

US Agent is clearly the person texting the Flag Smashers, it's so painfully obvious that he is a villain

Trying to get that super soldier serum for himself so he can be even more like Cap? Interesting, I feel dumb that I hadn't considered that (I also assumed it was Power Broker), you may be right.

[marodi]

Steve Rogers was chosen to get the super soldier serum because he was a good man, per Dr Erskine's parameters. I don't get "good man" vibes from would be "new Cap". Watching him trying to make friends with Sam and Bucky was hilarious.

Do you know what was also fun? Zemo is in cell 2187!

[dlb]

Steve Rogers was chosen to get the super soldier serum because he was a good man, per Dr Erskine's parameters. I don't get "good man" vibes from would be "new Cap". Watching him trying to make friends with Sam and Bucky was hilarious.

Do you know what was also fun? Zemo is in cell 2187!

Little nod to George Lucas?

I also liked the scene where they were met by US Agent and his sidekick on the road outside of Munich. Had a little WW2/Band of Brothers vibe to me which was a nice nod to Cap and his fight in the war. Whether that was intentional or not, I liked that scene and setting.

[bobbie solo]

I am also impressed with Feige et al for incorporating the Isaiah Bradley storyline, and with a potential Patriot tease in there too! The timing in our society is obviously spot on, and this gives some more potential heft to a series I didn't think was going to have much depth to it (and I was fine with, honestly).

[allegate]

I mean, that does a lot to explain how they1 were there so suddenly - other than the hacking - but it doesn't explain them2 being afraid of the Power Broker, which is who 3 assumed the texts were coming from. Like there was an "I4 gave you these powers and you owe me" sound from that text.

But your idea intrigues me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
So too many indefinite articles and I accidentally a word there.

1 - Cap and Bucky. Oh wait, I mean Cap2 and...Christ, what did he call himself? Taserface? Oh right, Battlestar. (the wiki says that he was called Bucky at one point hence the joke)

2 - The Flag Smashers because on the tarmac the one guy's like "he's here" and that's not Zemo because we see him in the cell still. Could be Cap2, that's an interesting wrinkle. I still like it. (Also he's not there at all because we see the person on the phone call someone...so could still be Zemo but they specifically said the words Power Broker and that's an actual Marvel person. But it's not like it's outside the realm of possibility for Marvel to amalgamate some people for ease of translation)

3 - "I" is the accidentally word. So maybe two, potentially three bad guys for six episodes. I certainly get what the showrunner meant when he said that this is prepping you for at least three other Marvel properties.

4 - Power Broker, potentially.

I love reading the wiki and finding out things like Torres is the new Falcon eventually. The way they get there is very comic-based, holy cow, but still. They are certainly seeding the Young Avengers. I just hope they're doing a better vetting job on old tweets and stuff. Hell, if I were Hollywood and hiring young actors I'd be like "you're deleting everything before we announce you" just so nothing weird comes up.

It's wild to me that we're seeing the Flag Smashers and one of the songs I've been listening to a lot lately is basically that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwvMnAml5q0



Fuck all borders and fuck all boundaries
Fuck all flags and fuck nationalities

Countries are just lines
Drawn in the sand with a stick

[Wretchedest]

A verified Eternals synopsis is floating around. If you weren't interested before, it's not going to change anything.

[allegate]

quoting from reddit
Did everyone else read this plot leak and still not know what the Fuck this movie is even about?same, and I'm not going to jump between wiki articles to figure out who's who.

[Wretchedest]

Yup, I was feeling both confused and disappointed. With movies like these I'm more looking for that broader piece of the puzzle, which isn't here... Maybe the celestials?

It also seems like they're chasing that obscure Guardians of the Galaxy ensemble magic and they just aren't going to get it

[allegate]

If Pip really does show up, he better have a cigar damnit. maybe it means we're finally getting to Adam Warlock?

[sonic_discord]

It also seems like they're chasing that obscure Guardians of the Galaxy ensemble magic and they just aren't going to get it

This is what I keep thinking too. I will say that I wasn't familiar with Guardians of the Galaxy either (aside from seeing the cover of a few comic books) before seeing that movie in the theater, so I'm hopeful for a similar experience when I do eventually see Eternals. But as of right now, it's not among the top 10 MCU movies I'm most excited to see. The cast does look fairly stacked, though.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

If Pip really does show up, he better have a cigar damnit. maybe it means we're finally getting to Adam Warlock?

Has Marvel ever left any post-credits scenes left unturned? Maybe that Howard the Duck scene, but I have been waiting for them to finally bring Adam into play; we all know he is out there in his little cocoon. I have a big feeling this next phase is going to blow away what we have received so far.

[allegate]

remember this important bit of information: tomorrow is April Fool's Day so no matter how much you want to believe something...many MANY grains of salt.

https://i.imgur.com/jmHysmW.jpg

[Wretchedest]

This is what I keep thinking too. I will say that I wasn't familiar with Guardians of the Galaxy either (aside from seeing the cover of a few comic books) before seeing that movie in the theater, so I'm hopeful for a similar experience when I do eventually see Eternals. But as of right now, it's not among the top 10 MCU movies I'm most excited to see. The cast does look fairly stacked, though.

I didn't know who they were either, but the combination of a talking, trigger happy raccoon, a then lesser known chris pratt, and most importantly, excited fans made me excited.

Eternals has none of this

[allegate]

I swear, if Bruce and Sam are fucking around on April Fool's...

https://twitter.com/GroovyBruce/status/1377755528139431939

[dlb]

So episode 3 of Falcon and Winter Soldier... quite a snooze, although I really liked Zemo and some backstory on him, eventhough I usually hate Daniel Brühl as much as the fact that for a production like this they didn't even bother to hire German actors for the scenes set in Germany.

I will keep watching in hopes that this will pick up or lead into other interesting territories, but I don't enjoy this show. Thank god US Agent wasn't in this for long...