The Marvel Thread - Multiverses and other Shenanigans

[stankeybearlover]

There is so much thematic overlap between Falcon & Winter Soldier, Secret Invasion and Hawkeye, that it would've been best to have tweaked them into a single 18-episode series.

[allegate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dug56u8NN7g

Ke Huy Quan! woo

and was that Pillboi? ha, it was!

edit: I watched The Good Place after Loki so didn't realize that he was also in the first season until I just checked. boy, what a dunce. lol

[MrLobster]

Finally finished off Secret Invasion.

You know, I'm good with it. I'm guessing the event mentioned at the end is how we tie into The Marvels movie.

[bobbie solo]

this could be huge. Proud of these brave souls...solidarity!

https://www.vulture.com/2023/08/vfx-workers-vote-to-unionize-at-marvel-for-the-first-time.html


Call it the Hollywood-labor-organizing version of Avengers Assemble! On the heels of more than a year’s worth of damning (https://www.vulture.com/article/a-vfx-artist-on-what-its-like-working-for-marvel.html) disclosures (https://www.vulture.com/2023/02/marvel-vfx-workers-on-ant-man-and-the-wasp-quantumania.html) around Marvel Studios’ systematic overworking and underpayment of visual-effects workers on its blockbuster movies and streaming series, VFX crews at Marvel have finally petitioned to demand union recognition (https://www.vulture.com/2023/01/inside-the-vfx-union-brewing-in-hollywood.html) from the studio. On Monday, a group of more than 50 on-set employees filed a petition for an election to be represented by the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE) with the National Labor Relations Board. The workers are asking for the election to be held as early as August 21.This marks the first time visual-effects professionals have banded together to demand the same rights, wage protections, and professional watchdog oversight enjoyed by workers in almost every other segment of the entertainment industry. The supermajority of Marvel’s 52-member on-set production crew signed authorization cards to indicate they wish to be represented by the powerful labor union representing some 170,000 artisans, technicians, stagehands, and craftspeople across TV, film, and live theater in the United States and Canada.
“For almost half a century, workers in the visual-effects industry have been denied the same protections and benefits their coworkers and crewmates have relied upon since the beginning of the Hollywood film industry,” VFX organizer for IATSE Mark Patch said in a statement. “This is a historic first step for VFX workers coming together with a collective voice demanding respect for what we do.”
In an era when around 90 percent of all films in release feature varying degrees of VFX fine-tuning (and it’s not uncommon for a show like Stranger Things to showcase up to 4,400 visual-effects shots (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/stranger-things-vfx-sound-artists-creating-vecna-1235199328/) across a single season), workers within the field have remained stubbornly, confoundingly unrepresented by any professional union or guild. While fellow below-the-line (https://www.studiobinder.com/blog/what-is-below-the-line-definition/) workers in such divisions as costumes and wardrobe; hair and makeup; lighting, props and paint; and script supervision have been historically championed by IATSE, underappreciated VFX professionals have been unable to claim benefits such as paid overtime and health care, and have been at the mercy of pronounced labor shortages and managers’ unrealistic deadlines — despite the workers’ increasing indispensability within popular culture.
“Turnaround times don’t apply to us, protected hours don’t apply to us, and pay equity doesn’t apply to us,” said VFX coordinator Bella Huffman. “Visual effects must become a sustainable and safe department for everyone who’s suffered far too long and for all newcomers who need to know they won’t be exploited.”

The petition for voluntary union recognition from Marvel and its parent company, Disney, arrives amid what the Los Angeles Times has taken to calling the “hot labor summer”: a cultural inflection point when both the Writers Guild and Screen Actors Guild are on strike against the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers, halting productions (https://www.vulture.com/article/sag-strike-movies-tv-shows-paused.html) across Hollywood and throwing the upcoming movie-release corridor into chaos. Just as crucially, however, VFX’s newly strident demands for a seat at the collective-bargaining table also play out against a backdrop of increasing fan displeasure with (and critical opprobrium (https://www.vulture.com/article/ant-man-and-the-wasp-quantumania-movie-review-marvel.html) toward) the quality of computer-generated imagery in Marvel Studios movies and series, coming perhaps not coincidentally just months after the firing of Marvel’s president of postproduction and VFX, Victoria Alonso (https://www.vulture.com/2023/04/victoria-alonso-firing-disney-marvel.html).
Even with the group’s NLRB petition, a VFX workers strike is not out of the question; it is perhaps the most battle-tested and surefire route to union recognition. (Representatives at Disney and Marvel did not respond to requests for comment from Vulture.)
Leading off the collective-bargaining push with Marvel’s on-set VFX specialists — data wranglers, production managers, witness camera operators, and assistants employed on such MCU series as Loki (https://www.vulture.com/tv/loki/) and Daredevil: Born Again, as opposed to the people supplying visual effects in postproduction — arrives as no accident. Thanks to the studio’s fire hose of movie and TV series output (it will oversee the release of five movies and four shows in 2023 alone), Marvel is regarded in VFX circles as the industry’s biggest “bully,” with the capacity to flood effects houses with more work than they know what to do with or ruin careers and standings of those who do not live up to Marvel’s sky-high expectations.
Hence, as the thinking goes, securing union recognition for a relatively small yet high-profile group of Marvel’s so-called “production-side” professionals would stand as proof of concept for the overall viability of an industry-wide unionization push. Production-side unity would lead to solidarity at postproduction houses, which would then, in turn, unionize one by one, leading to an inevitable tipping point. The template for this sort of thing was set in the animation world last February when production workers for Adult Swim’s Rick & Morty and Hulu’s Solar Opposites filed a petition (https://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/production-workers-on-rick-and-morty-and-solar-opposites-file-to-unionize-213740.html) with the NLRB for a union election, sparking a new wave of unionization for workers throughout the animation industry by becoming the first to be represented by the IATSE-affiliated Animation Guild. Soon after, workers at the Los Angeles branch of the award-winning production house Titmouse (https://titmouse.net/) joined the guild to begin collective bargaining for their first union contract. And those efforts ultimately compelled a coalition of production workers on the shows American Dad, Family Guy, and The Simpsons to also unionize (https://deadline.com/2022/07/the-simpsons-family-guy-american-dad-workers-repped-by-animation-guild-1235058303/) under the Animation Guild, teeing up new collective-bargaining negotiations for increased benefits with 20th Television Animation last summer.
“We are witnessing an unprecedented wave of solidarity that’s breaking down old barriers in the industry and proving we’re all in this fight together,” said IATSE International president Matthew D. Loeb. “That doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Entertainment workers everywhere are sticking up for each other’s rights; that’s what our movement is all about. I congratulate these workers on taking this important step and using their collective voice. I urge Marvel Studios to voluntarily recognize their union immediately.”

[allegate]

https://youtu.be/T8z4CNl25YM

that was remarkably fast, can’t be good

[allegate]

The Mandalorian, Loki, and WandaVision are headed to Blu-ray (https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/21/23839994/disney-plus-mandalorian-loki-wandavision-blu-ray)

Wow, after they said this would never happen. I will probably get the WandaVision and Loki ones, the rest I'm content to leave at streaming quality.

[allegate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sHHCG1JDL8

fluff and a primer/reminder, but man the CG Kamala jumping there at the end. I feel for the effects teams.

[MrLobster]

Finally watched "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3" ... I think the strongest of the GotG movies but also maybe the weakest soundtrack. And there are other issues as well... but... yeah, the strongest of the GotG movies.

Wanted to watch it before getting into Loki S2... and we'll be doing E1 tonight.

[MrLobster]

Yup, S2E1 was worth it.

[Jord]

New Loki so, so good. Way to come back with a bang, the cinematography and vibe so rich and well done.

Can't wait to see what this season has in store.

[october_midnight]

Yikes. Daredevil: Reborn had just under half of the 18 episode (2 season) series fully shot, then Feige decided it "wasn't working". Too much of a courtroom procedural; Daredevil didn't appear in suit until episode four, etc.

So they fired the writers and are starting over. (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/daredevil-marvel-disney-1235614518/)

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Firing Kyle Bradstreet was a huge mistake, for his vision of Secret Invasion. When he has credits for writing, and executive producing Mr. Robot episodes, I really wonder what that show could have been, than what we got. Moon Knights creator left...

I haven't seen Daredevil in years, but weren't Matt and Foggy on the verge of opening their own firm? Why did Reborn axe that out?

In my opinion, Marvel got too cute with pumping out show, after show, along with the news of exhaustion for the crews working on their respective series and films. While I do love that smaller heroes and villains get their time to shine, I feel they should have slowly introduced these characters, instead of hanfisting them down fans throats.

[MrLobster]

S2E3 of Loki was a goooooood episode.

[bobbie solo]

Halloween time just zaps all my non-spooky entertainment viewing. I gotta start Loki soon and catch up on Gen V. Atom Eve special too! Excited for The Marvels. Doesn't seem many others are, but whatever.

[allegate]

I'm looking forward to the movie, if only because it looks like it's actually fun from the trailers. The 'Bollywood' wedding? heck yeah.

[Jord]

S2E3 of Loki was a goooooood episode.

The new season has been even more solid than I'd hoped so far. I come home from work each Friday and watch an episode of Loki followed by new Gen V, both shows knocking it out of the park.

Now we're half way through Loki, it will be very interesting to see where things go in the next 3 episodes.

[october_midnight]

Big ooof.

Crisis at Marvel. (https://variety.com/2023/film/features/marvel-jonathan-majors-problem-the-marvels-reshoots-kang-1235774940/)

Bring back the OG Avengers? They're desperate...

[Toadflax]

Big ooof.

Crisis at Marvel. (https://variety.com/2023/film/features/marvel-jonathan-majors-problem-the-marvels-reshoots-kang-1235774940/)

Bring back the OG Avengers? They're desperate...

I don't understand the concern over potentially not being able to use Jonathan Majors anymore. I thought the whole point of the Loki season 1 finale was that anyone could be a Kang variant. In the same way Loki has variants played by different actors, why can't Kang? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like this would be one of the easiest re-castings of all time from a narrative perspective.

[Jord]

Big ooof.

Crisis at Marvel. (https://variety.com/2023/film/features/marvel-jonathan-majors-problem-the-marvels-reshoots-kang-1235774940/)

Bring back the OG Avengers? They're desperate...

Very interesting article which sheds a lot of light on things.

If they're doing Secret Wars it's pretty much going to involve Cap & Iron Man returning at least, guessing Natasha too. Pretty much expecting RDJ, Tobey Maguire & Hugh Jackman fighting together.

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

There is a lot of context in that article that has already been touched upon, months ago, with some new info that solidifies the info fans have been speculating.

Marvel fatigue has already set in for me, with Ant-Man being the last project I wasted my time on; what a turd. Unfortunately, I really don't care what is happening in the MCU anymore. I'll probably catch Loki at some point, and The Marvel's since it does look fun, but I think a lot of the fun in that movie, will be "Been there, done that" energy.

Biggest problem for me, personally, is I am not connected to the characters, like I was in the precious phases.

[MrLobster]

You need to connect with the characters to enjoy the movies/TV shows?

That seems weird to me.

Do you need to do that with all your media consumption or is the MCU special somehow?

[Toadflax]

You need to connect with the characters to enjoy the movies/TV shows?

That seems weird to me.

I mean, this is essentially how all storytelling works. If the audience doesn't care about / connect to the characters, they're not going to keep watching. (Note that caring about or connecting to the characters doesn't necessarily mean that they're likable or aligned to our own morals.)

If this wasn't the case, all superhero & action movies would just start with the second act and not bother to do character work.

[MrLobster]

If the audience doesn't care about / connect to the characters, they're not going to keep watching.

And that's fair but I suppose what I'm really getting at is... caring about it. It's okay to say you don't care about x, y, or z movie/tv show but to me, that's different than "connecting".

I don't "connect" with a 1940s super soldier or a tree or Infinity stone altered individuals but I still watch them... but I'm here for trusting (and connecting to) the overall stories rather than the characters themselves.

Sure, getting to know (and maybe even dis/like) the characters as the movie goes along is certain a part of "the story" but that's the whole part of it either. Plenty of MCU stuff I was unfamiliar with before their movie/show came out and since I'm trusting what Marvel does, I give them all a shot (at least the obvious not aimed at people much younger than I am stuff.... that Rocket & Groot series... yeeeesh no).

I don't care about LoTR or HP stuff because that type of fantasy has never appealed to me but I'm not going to say I have wizard fatigue or that I'm not connecting with the characters or stories... I'll simply not watch or read them because I don't care.

[Toadflax]

And that's fair but I suppose what I'm really getting at is... caring about it. It's okay to say you don't care about x, y, or z movie/tv show but to me, that's different than "connecting".

I don't "connect" with a 1940s super soldier or a tree or Infinity stone altered individuals but I still watch them... but I'm here for trusting (and connecting to) the overall stories rather than the characters themselves.

Sure, getting to know (and maybe even dis/like) the characters as the movie goes along is certain a part of "the story" but that's the whole part of it either. Plenty of MCU stuff I was unfamiliar with before their movie/show came out and since I'm trusting what Marvel does, I give them all a shot (at least the obvious not aimed at people much younger than I am stuff.... that Rocket & Groot series... yeeeesh no).

I don't care about LoTR or HP stuff because that type of fantasy has never appealed to me but I'm not going to say I have wizard fatigue or that I'm not connecting with the characters or stories... I'll simply not watch or read them because I don't care.

I mean, it sounds like we're just mincing words, then. Whether it's caring about a story, connecting to a story, caring about characters, connecting to characters... whatever you want to call it, that's what makes people watch or not watch things. You can say "1940s super soldier" or you can say "constantly picked on kid determined to stop bullies at all cost" or by Civil War, "loyal friend willing to protect his best friend at all costs." Both of these are much easier things to "connect" to than "1940s super soldier."

I think the problem with franchise movies is the later the franchise goes, the less they actually make the characters characters. "Here's a guy you already know now watch him go save the world" isn't enough for a lot of people. Look at Aliens, Terminator 2, The Dark Knight, Logan, etc. These are all franchise movies where the main character is dealing with something new than the previous time (not just a new baddie or world-ending problem), and that's a huge part of what makes them good movies. Marvel has done this with the Spider-Man and Guardians movies, which is part of why they're still some of the beloved sub-franchises in the MCU. I can't for the life of me remember if Scott is actually a character in any meaningful way in Quantumania, for instance, and I think that's part of what the previous poster was talking about.

If you love a story world and are happy to watch anything in that story world, that's totally fine, but it shouldn't surprise you that plenty of people need to connect to the characters in order to want to continue spending time in that story world in the first place.

[bobbie solo]

Man...for me, Loki was absolutely zzzzz until episode 3. Just alot of time travel mumbo jumbo & characters I didn't care about. But then episode 3...now that was excellent.

[Wretchedest]

Pretty much one thing could hype me for a marvel movie at this point, and it sounds like, in a minor way, it's happening in the marvels. So I'm all hype.

[october_midnight]

https://twitter.com/VancityReynolds/status/1722575250393559363

[Wretchedest]

Marvels made me weirdly want more of each of the individual characters. I felt like they all kind of diluted each other instead of elevating each other. The whole was less than the sum of its parts. Movie has some great cameos though and an all time great MCU scene, but I would rank it very, very low among marvel movies, unfortunately

[stankeybearlover]

With the predestination paradox basically being a cornerstone of the Loki series, I expect we are still going to see Ravona command HWR's forces.

I wonder how the relationship is between the TVA and the Watchers.

[october_midnight]

https://twitter.com/screentime/status/1724910139176538599

[Wretchedest]

https://twitter.com/screentime/status/1724910139176538599

Nothing against Pascal... But he doesn't give me Reed Richards vibes..
. And he is just *everywhere* now... Deservedly so! But we are maybe building to a Chris Pratt situation here. Everyone may have better been served with him in a more secondary role like Angel/Archangel or even Cable. Gambit, perhaps.

I'm sure he will do a fine job. You can tell Marvel is trying to really right the ship this news came out so soon after the strike ended.

[otnavuskire]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/jonathan-majors-trial-verdict-1235759607/

Marvel doesn't have much choice now.

[marodi]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/jonathan-majors-trial-verdict-1235759607/

Marvel doesn't have much choice now.

He is out. Marvel has two choices: recast or get a new super villain.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvel-drops-jonathan-majors-as-kang-1235391129/

I'd go with recast.

[allegate]

I read on Reddit that they could end the kang stuff because Loki S2 ended with him restoring the timelines.

[ghostaustin]

Just have Thor hit Kang in the face with his hammer then boom, Forest Whitaker

[marodi]

Just have Thor hit Kang in the face with his hammer then boom, Forest Whitaker

Forest would be excellent. However, he was in Black Panther... My man Idris Elba would also have be great if it wasn't for Heimdall...

I think Aldis Hodge could do pull it off.

[allegate]

fuckin...how do you link to reddit images? linking to the posts instead, I guess.

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelmemes/comments/18m7b3o/expected_return/

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelmemes/comments/18m17jj/the_only_suitable_replacement/

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelmemes/comments/18lluwu/next_time_baby/

[MrLobster]

Keira Knightly, she's versatile... (yay for Deadpool reference)

[MrLobster]

We're enjoying "What If...?" S2.

[MrLobster]

E3 was nice... stay for the end of credits to hear the more of Darcy...

[dlb]

I guess "What if..." just isn't for me. While I enjoy certain episodes (the first one with Nebula could very well have been stretched out into a full feature in my opinion) there are other which I absolutely don't get. Not funny, not exciting and actually some very lame scenarios for "endless possibilities".

Still curious on how they will close season 02 and if it has any implications on the cinematic universe. Favorite episode to date remains the one from season 01 with Dr Strange. That one I really enjoyed!

[stankeybearlover]

I only really enjoyed the Nebula and the Happy one, to be honest. The next one is being hyped up to be quite something. So that's got me curious.

[MrLobster]

The Mohawk and Spanish one was interesting... should be interesting to see whatever they are building to.

[stankeybearlover]

Well, it seems like anything in this show involving Strange is about trying to do right where they went wrong with Multiverse of Madness.

I still don't understand much about the infinity stones, though. According to Loki S1 they don't work outside of their original universe/timeline. Yet, Endgame and the climaxes of both seasons of this show have happened.

[MrLobster]

I still don't understand much about the infinity stones, though. According to Loki S1 they don't work outside of their original universe/timeline. Yet, Endgame and the climaxes of both seasons of this show have happened.

I'm a few episodes behind so I don't know the whole story but... different universes have different stones that work within them. I'd say that was made pretty clear with the Infinity Crusher being created in one universe but not crushing the ones from the universe that it was utilized in.

Variant Loki's didn't work because he was in the TVA, just like desk drawers of others Infinity Stones don't work either. I'd say the TVA "neutralizes" cosmic powers in general because it "exists" "outside" of all of them (and while Loki is a god [like all the other variants of Loki] and able to withstand the threads and control time [to whatever degree], I'm not sure that's the same as a "cosmic power" in the same sense as the stones, different... more and greater specific power). Wherein The Watcher is able to see all the multiverse, we haven't seen an intersection between the TVA and it (yet).

[MrLobster]

Finished up with S2 of "What If...?"... yeah, liked it just fine. Quite enjoyed the last episode.

[bobbie solo]

Echo is out in a few days! 1/9

[MrLobster]

Finished E1 of Echo... yeah... I dig this. I like how they call it Marvel Spotlight... like the Special Presentations but longer.

[MrLobster]

Finished up Echo... well that was good/interesting. As usual, Kingpin was a highlight.

[allegate]

Really enjoying Echo, even if it is clear at times that there is a lot of information missing somewhere in the shrinkage to only five episodes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ounaTdRdEFY

I knew she was deaf but I didn't know that she's actually an amputee, some of the shots around her leg look wobbly like bad CG cutting.

Also the guy who plays her uncle, Chaske Spencer, is a real talent and I hope he gets a lot more work after this.

[scorpiusdiamond]

Sorry to definitely veer off topic. I’m being a completionist this year and that includes Marvel.

I’m up to Hawkeye, I’ve watched one episode and I have no motivation to keep going… (even with the knowledge that Yelena appears later)

Does it payoff? I felt myself yet again tuning out of the fight sequences in Eternals/What If? etc and I just want plot!

[allegate]

it's a very grounded show and resolves the "Yelena thinks Bart killed Natalie" thing.

[versusreality]

ironically, Hawkeye and perhaps Wandavision were the last Marvel shows I enjoyed and cared about. Give it a shot.

[scorpiusdiamond]

Forced my way through it. Highlights were the trick arrows and Yelena. Some of the dialogue was awful though, yeesh. Onto Multiverse of Madness followed by Moon Knight now…

[bobbie solo]

Digging Echo so far. Two episodes in. Getting right into the action was smart on their part.

[allegate]

The amount of violence in that show is kind of wild. like, it's the PG-13 violence we're familiar with until it isn't and you see a guy die in front of you very messily with a close up on his face.

Also Devery Jacobs (her friend Bonnie) did the voice for Kahhori on the What If...? episodes.

[MrLobster]

Also Devery Jacobs (her friend Bonnie) did the voice for Kahhori on the What If...? episodes.

If you like her work, give Rhymes For Young Ghouls or Blood Quantum a watch.... they are not... uh, happy but they are very, very good.

Or watch her in the music for the song "Sisters" by A Tribe Called Red

[october_midnight]

Rumored title lolol.

https://twitter.com/MyTimeToShineH/status/1756017862798422046

[MrLobster]

Just finished watching "The Marvels" ... quite a good romp of a movie. Lots going on, funny bits, serious bits... rewarding.
And then the mid-credits scene.... niiiiiice.

[MrLobster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW-zNOT4P1A

[Swykk]

That looks like a lot of fun.

[allegate]

Hugh Jackman has a…different…take on the title.

https://m.facebook.com/HughJackman

[MrLobster]

Hugh Jackman has a…different…take on the title.

https://m.facebook.com/HughJackman

can't see it, what's it say?

[allegate]

hmm, bummer about that. hope this works:

https://scontent.fhio2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/426438855_940312377454242_3504738403986446296_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=a0818e&_nc_ohc=VGRoZveZgq8AX87mcIj&_nc_ht=scontent.fhio2-2.fna&edm=AN6CN6oEAAAA&oh=00_AfAK35cRiML4C1zzyqtpTZ6hrdesgrADpEuocriBeXpm Ag&oe=65CF65F1

[stankeybearlover]

So Deadpool as a movie property is transitioning from being a critical love letter to the superhero movie genre to a property used to "fix" the issues such a love letter would address.

[sonic_discord]

So Deadpool as a movie property is transitioning from being a critical love letter to the superhero movie genre to a property used to "fix" the issues such a love letter would address.

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive; I expect to see a little of column A and a little of culumn B and that's a-okay by me! I am so fucking pumped for this movie! I think the banter between Reynolds and Jackman is going to be absolutely hilarious.

[Wretchedest]

So Deadpool as a movie property is transitioning from being a critical love letter to the superhero movie genre to a property used to "fix" the issues such a love letter would address.

This is pretty cynical even as far as MCU takes go

[allegate]

Marvel’s ‘The Fantastic Four’ Lands Its Cast: Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn, Ebon Moss-Bachrach (https://variety.com/2024/film/news/fantastic-four-cast-marvel-studios-1235875766/)

https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2024/02/14/mcu-fantastic-four-1707926824960.png

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Joseph Quinn is actually a perfect casting choice. Dude is going to knock that role out of the park.

[allegate]

Dude's got eyes like a shark. I've only seen him in one thing - not Stranger Things - and all I remember about it was his eyes.

Also there is an issue of the second Secret Wars - the one that the movie is supposed to be based on - in the Deadpool trailer and it's issue 5 (https://cdn.marvel.com/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/6/a0/5cb736208d76d/clean.jpg).

Linking because it is kind of a spoiler but probably not for Deadpool.

[Wretchedest]

Well, it's certainly four people.

[MrLobster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv3Ss8o9gGQ

[allegate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv3Ss8o9gGQ

I've been seeing the toys for months so I thought maybe I had missed the release.

[MrLobster]

just watched "Across The Spider-Verse" ...

what a long-ass of a movie and that was only part one of the story... I'll watch the next one out of sunk cost fallacy... but eeeeesssh... I don't have high hopes.

When there was two hours I left, I thought "This should have been 2 part movie; end the first one when the mistake is revealed and then picked up from there."

Didn't find any of the characters likeable... sure, some interesting one but likeable wasn't a big factor.

[otnavuskire]

I loved Across the Spider-Verse. Can't please everyone, I guess. Luckily for the filmmakers they seemed to have pleased almost everyone.

[MrLobster]

I loved Across the Spider-Verse. Can't please everyone, I guess. Luckily for the filmmakers they seemed to have pleased almost everyone.

Help me out, why did you love it? I found very little redeeming in it...

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Across the Spider-Verse brings everything the first installment had, and amplified it. I guess we watched two different movies, because it is charming, heartfelt, visually dazzling, and character driven.

But being able to see over 280 different iterations of Spidey, whether it be from niche Spidey's, to the slapstick Spidey's, it was so cool seeing them on screen, finally.

[MrLobster]

charming, heartfelt, visually dazzling, and character driven.

The only one I disagree with is charming... and my interpretations of heartfelt and character driven are unkind in this context. Visually, it was ground already covered in the first one.... and that's not a bad thing but it's still the same.

[MrLobster]

yeah, reading the wiki article on it, we're in the camp of;

"Kyle Smith of The Wall Street Journal described the film as being "visually hypercaffeinated", but with a slow plot in the first half of the film, plotlines being a "hectic series of clashes", action sequences that were "jumpy but not especially engaging", and "too many long monologues". Jake Wilson of The Age gave the film 3 out of 5 stars, writing, "Typically for Lord and Miller, the upshot is both adventurous and conformist, an outwardly bold reimagining of the material that never stops congratulating us for our brand loyalty, and which plays it safer in plot terms than the early sequences might lead you to hope.”

But also, "visually hypercaffeinated" was the first one... so if you get into that, that's not a stumbling block here.

[Wretchedest]

Yeah I think across the Spider verse is a stand out super hero movie and I think I liked it much more than the first one. I do hate the trend of splitting movies into multiple parts though. That's the only thing I'd say was bad about it, that and the way it sort of incidentally, accidentally villifies basically all other Spider-Men than miles

[MrLobster]

That's the only thing I'd say was bad about it, that and the way it sort of incidentally, accidentally villifies basically all other Spider-Men than miles

AND it also puts Miles on the supervillain path in the "I care so much about my family I'll defend them against everyone!" strain of things...

[Wretchedest]

AND it also puts Miles on the supervillain path in the "I care so much about my family I'll defend them against everyone!" strain of things...

Maybe, I do think it's a superhero movie more concerned with grey areas than others in the genre, which is one of its strengths

[MrLobster]

Taking a step back from the plot for a moment...

So, "all" the other Spidey's have "the same" canon events and the right spider bit the right hero. Okay, I can go with that.
But if Miles "is a mistake" then why does he need to have "the same" canon events? Seems to me like it's a different story (which, is the point of Across... but the other Spidey's haven't clued into that being all rigid in their POV... or so it seems)

[Wretchedest]

Taking a step back from the plot for a moment...

So, "all" the other Spidey's have "the same" canon events and the right spider bit the right hero. Okay, I can go with that.
But if Miles "is a mistake" then why does he need to have "the same" canon events? Seems to me like it's a different story (which, is the point of Across... but the other Spidey's haven't clued into that being all rigid in their POV... or so it seems)

You have to roll with these kinds of conditions, or its going to be to hard to deal with the multiverse setting. although it seems like they've set up the third movie to tackle some of these ideas, including the idea that there would probably also be infinite miles and gwens, etc.

But I hear you, like a time travel story this is the kind of sci-fi that is best kept away from a microscope as far as it's mechanics are concerned

[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Umm, what?

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1767623230922145957?t=rvGNkUIqZidK7q0c4R9Ugg&s=19

[allegate]

they fired him and he deleted his social media. something's brewing behind the scenes.

[MrLobster]

What indeed....
(side note, some of the voice actors are coming the local con next month and my beloved stupidly happy, in a good way. about it)

[Wretchedest]

So X-Men 97 is super good! I wasn't expecting much, but now I'm really excited for the rest of the series

[versusreality]

yes, the X-Men 97 episodes were incredible!

[valiantsteed]

Really enjoyed the first two episodes. Seems like this is going to be really well done.

apparently Demayo got fired for putting up an explicitly video on his onlyfans recently. No comment on the act itself but given it’s Disney and your show running a cartoon I don’t think you be too surprised that was the result if so.

[allegate]

THE SPIDER WITHIN: A SPIDER-VERSE STORY | Official Short Film (Full) | Sony Animation (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcGPpwFdE1Y)

OKAY THEN...major major arachnophobia warning on this one. My skin is crawling.

[allegate]

Florence Pugh Posts Thunderbolts Set Video, Shows New Black Widow Costume (variety.com) (https://variety.com/2024/film/news/florence-pugh-thunderbolts-set-video-black-widow-costume-marvel-1235954090/)

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[Self.Destructive.Pattern]

Soo, to my recollection, wasn't Norrin Radd appointed the role of Silver Surfer, before Shalla-Bal?? They're lovers in the comics... I like the casting choice, but I'm a tad confused.

https://twitter.com/krolljvar/status/1775629642818580629?s=19

[stankeybearlover]

My guess is that they decided that gender does not matter in casting Silver Surfer, since masculinity is not a theme that is important in the character's portrayal. Using Shalla Bal's name is probably preferable over genderbending Norrin Radd.

[allegate]

Could also be that Norrin Radd shows up anyway.
In the alternate continuity of Earth X and Universe X, Shalla-Bal, Norrin's lover and the empress of Zenn-La, is depicted as joining him as a second Silver Surfer, both serving as the twin-heralds of the second Galactus.

[Wretchedest]

X-Men movie placed on the production schedule for late 2025

[MrLobster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cen0rBKLuYE

[allegate]

Oh shit, Giant-Ant-Man skull?! lol @ "Liefeld's Just Feet"

wow, it's on the official Marvel channel as a red band as well.

[october_midnight]

Liefeld sign made me legit lol.

[MrLobster]

just for the silly of it....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s38W-RGEApc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AVhT-Yp6Dg

[october_midnight]

A 'Vision' series is on its way; expected in 2026. (https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/marvel-vision-paul-bettany-terry-matalas-1236003735/)

[BRoswell]

An oral history of Roger Corman's Fantastic Four movie (avclub.com) (https://www.avclub.com/the-fantastic-four-roger-corman-1994-oral-history-1851489671)

[allegate]

A 'Vision' series is on its way; expected in 2026. (https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/marvel-vision-paul-bettany-terry-matalas-1236003735/)

That's the remaining thread from WandaVision, right? I hope it isn't the "Vision creates a family" story, for two reasons. One, it's literally the same story as WandaVision and would be so fucking hacky. Two, I just read that book and I was not wowed or amazed by it because it was literally the same story as WandaVision and seemed pretty fucking hacky.

[sonic_discord]

I hope they keep the "Vision Quest" title, I liked that.

[allegate]

https://youtu.be/90lAiDCdwX4?si=lObvWjFjFMqeZZ5_

[leftshoe18]

I've been running through the Fox X-Men movies (in a completely random order) in preparation for Deadpool and Wolverine. I had never actually watched any of the movies with the younger cast before watching First Class this past week. If I had known the film featured Evil Kevin Bacon, I probably would have watched it sooner. It has some dumb moments but overall it's a pretty fun movie. I've watched X-Men, Origins: Wolverine, The Wolverine, Deadpool, and now First Class. I'm gonna watch X2 next and then I'm not sure where to jump to. I might have to just start watching them in order after that. lol

[MrLobster]

I would have watched them in release order... some of the jokes in the First Class movies are tied into the earlier movies... mostly as it relates to Wolverine.

[leftshoe18]

I had already seen the original trilogy and all of the Deadpool and Wolverine movies before. The ones I had never watched before were the ones with the younger cast (not counting that Deadpool 2 cameo). So I already had a frame of reference regarding every pre-First Class movie when I watched it.

[MrLobster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__2bjWbetsA

[Wretchedest]

Meanwhile I've gone about my X-Men rewatch in a totally insane order that doesn't make a lot of sense:

So far, started I did X-Men, x2, Logan , last stand/dark Phoenix double feature, Deadpool, Origins, Apocalypse, First Class, New Mutants, The Wolverine

[allegate]

Deadpool & Wolverine | #BestFriendsDay (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcXw-k-yexQ)

lol at "huh Paul Rudd finally aged"

DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE "Silence Your Phones" Trailer (2024) (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX0HIm0bLXw)

Saw this in front of Furiosa, they're doing a lot of advertising for this movie.

edit:

this interview of each other is pretty good and humble Ryan is kind of wild.

Ryan Reynolds & Hugh Jackman Interview Each Other | PEOPLE (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S99iQH2Rvg)

[MrLobster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ScpWRv5n84

[MrLobster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3LisZEIK34

[allegate]

I read that all of the sleeveless Wolverine shots are actually Hugh with green sleeves on and they CG'd the skin. Apparently he's had some skin cancer scares so didn't want to make it worse by filming in long hot days.