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caca
06-25-2018, 11:08 PM
As of this precise moment...

1. The Fragile
2. The Downward Spiral
3. Year Zero
4. Bad Witch
5. Not The Actual Events
6. Add Violence
7. Pretty Hate Machine
8. Hesitation Marks
9. With Teeth
10. Broken
11. Ghosts I-IV
12. The Slip

That said, I love every single one of these releases.

darksiren82
06-26-2018, 11:39 AM
1. The Fragile
2. Pretty Hate Machine
3. Broken
4. Year Zero
5. With Teeth
6. Hesitation Marks (can't help it - 30 something, married me loves this album)
7. The Slip
8. The Downward Spiral
9. Ghosts I-IV/And All That Could Have Been (Still)




1. The Fragile
2. Year Zero (listened to it heavily in the rise and age of MAGA)
3. With Teeth
4. Broken
5. Pretty Hate Machine
6. Hesitation Marks (30-something married me drove around belting "I Would For You" or "Various Methods of Escape" on any given day)
7. The Slip
8. Bad Witch (renewed, free-spirited me digs this vibe hard)
9. Ghosts I-IV/And All That Could Have Been (Still)
10. Not The Actual Events (still growing on me)
11. The Downward Spiral
12. Add Violence

What a difference 4 years makes.

frankie teardrop
06-26-2018, 11:48 AM
the fragile
still
ghosts I-IV
the downward spiral
bad witch
pretty hate machine
broken
year zero
not the actual events
with teeth
hesitation marks
add violence
the slip

BRoswell
06-26-2018, 11:55 AM
When you guys do this are you thinking "of all time,' or are these your favorites to listen to?

I'm usually thinking in terms of all-time favorites. Obviously newer releases will shift around as the years go on, but most of my list stays pretty consistent. If I was going by what I listen to, it would probably look like this right now:

1. Bad Witch
2. Add Violence/Not The Actual Events
3. The Downward Spiral
4. The Fragile
5. Hesitation Marks
6. Year Zero
7. Ghosts I-IV
8. With Teeth
9. The Slip
10. Pretty Hate Machine

Steven
06-26-2018, 12:07 PM
I've listened to Not The Actual Events so many times I need to take a pill so I forget all of it and it can be fresh again.

Reaps
06-26-2018, 12:10 PM
1 - The Fragile
2 - The Downward Spiral
3 - NTAE/AV/BW
4 - Broken
5 - Year Zero
6 - With Teeth
7 - Pretty Hate Machine
8 - Hesitation Marks
9 - The Slip
10 - Ghosts I-IV

Be more interested in how Trent would rank his own shit, would be interesting!

PhoenixML
06-26-2018, 01:44 PM
1. The Fragile
2. With Teeth
3. The Downward Spiral
4. Year Zero
5. Add Violence
6. Not The Actual Events
7. The Slip
8. Hesitation Marks
9. Ghosts 1-4
10. Broken
11. Bad Witch
12. Pretty Hate Machine

If I would count the "Trilogy" together, they would sit in 4th place, or maybe 3rd place, or even 2nd place.... I don't know. I can't really listen to anything else at the moment.

Oceanic Voyager
06-29-2018, 12:07 AM
1 - The Fragile
2 - The Downward Spiral
3 - With Teeth
4 - Year Zero
5 - Hesitation Marks
6 - Pretty Hate Machine
7 - The Slip
8 - Broken
9 - Ghosts I-IV
10 - NTAE/AV/BW

It would be great to be able to recall how I felt about these albums when I first heard them. This is pretty much I feel about them right now. I am guessing TDS had the greatest impact on me at the time, but The Fragile is just so beautiful. It really is a close tie at spot 1.

I am a bit surprised that With Teeth is ranked so low by so many people. I love it.

horstfriedel
06-29-2018, 01:21 AM
1. The Fragile

2. The Downward Spiral

3. Year Zero

4. The slip

5. Add Violence

6. Broken

7. Pretty hate machine

8. With teeth

9. Not The Actual Events

10. Bad witch

11. Hesitation Marks

12. Ghosts 1-4



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slopesandsam
06-29-2018, 07:03 AM
1. TF
2. TDS
3. YZ
4. BW
5. TS
6. B
7. HM
8. AV
9. PHM
10. NTAE
11. G1-4
12. WT

Notes: BW is still so new I'm uncertain of its position...but I think it might actually sit higher on my list if it were longer. HM also would be higher if I didn't find "Everything" to be such a flow-breaking track. Slots 5 thru 10 are also clustered closely together, and I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow I ordered them slightly differently, and differently again the day after that, etc. With Teeth remains the only NIN album that I've never been able to warm to.

slopesandsam
06-29-2018, 07:06 AM
Side question: Are there any fans who really love WT who were fans before WT was released? Everybody I've seen who loves WT usually also mentions that it was their first NIN experience. I'm interested to know if there's fans who started listening to NIN in the 80s or 90s who were super happy with WT and still love it today?

Swykk
06-29-2018, 07:09 AM
slopesandsam Yes. Right here.

darksiren82
06-29-2018, 07:46 AM
Side question: Are there any fans who really love WT who were fans before WT was released? Everybody I've seen who loves WT usually also mentions that it was their first NIN experience. I'm interested to know if there's fans who started listening to NIN in the 80s or 90s who were super happy with WT and still love it today?
I've been a fan since the beginning but I was way young then; I was 7 when I saw the "Down In It" and "Head Like A Hole" videos on JBTV in Chicago. My first NIN live shows were WT era so that plays into my nostalgia when I hear those songs. Grohl-heavy, straight-forward rock bookended by electro-gospel "All the Love in the World" and timeless BYIT/RWIB...hasn't left my top 5 since its release.

horstfriedel
06-29-2018, 11:26 AM
Side question: Are there any fans who really love WT who were fans before WT was released? Everybody I've seen who loves WT usually also mentions that it was their first NIN experience. I'm interested to know if there's fans who started listening to NIN in the 80s or 90s who were super happy with WT and still love it today?Listening to NIN since 1991. I was really amazed when WT was realesead after all these years. But it couldn't hold the level of TDS and TF. So it was kind of disappointing. I don't listen to it anymore. YZ had it's own tension which I still like.

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thefragile_jake
06-29-2018, 11:31 AM
Side question: Are there any fans who really love WT who were fans before WT was released? Everybody I've seen who loves WT usually also mentions that it was their first NIN experience. I'm interested to know if there's fans who started listening to NIN in the 80s or 90s who were super happy with WT and still love it today?

I got into the band around 2001 and became obsessed with them when And All That Could Have Been was coming out so I remember going crazy for any updates on a new album. Following NIN news from like 2003 -2004 was kind of limited to interviews with Trent Reznor about Johnny Cash's cover of "Hurt" and then all of the strange nin.com updates that were happening that lead into all of the BleedThrough discussion. I was a junior in high school when With Teeth was about to be released and the summer of 2005 was a HUGE pivotal moment for me so With Teeth not only stands as being the soundtrack for a monumental year for me ... but it was also the first new major Nine Inch Nails release that I was able to be a part of the build up for. I get people's criticism of it, but Trent's voice sounded great and it still felt NIN to me.

Like many have said, it was the WT era that I was finally able to experience the band live for the first time so everything about it has this tremendous amount of nostalgia for me. On top of it, I still think With Teeth has incredibly crafted songs on it.

Senateguard33
06-29-2018, 11:33 AM
1. The Fragile
2. The Downward Spiral
3. Pretty Hate Machine
4. NTAE/AV/BW
5. Year Zero
6. Ghosts I-IV
7. Hesitation Marks
8. With Teeth
9. Broken
10. The Slip

Oceanic Voyager
07-01-2018, 11:50 PM
Side question: Are there any fans who really love WT who were fans before WT was released? Everybody I've seen who loves WT usually also mentions that it was their first NIN experience. I'm interested to know if there's fans who started listening to NIN in the 80s or 90s who were super happy with WT and still love it today?

I have been a fan since Pretty Hate Machine... yes I am old.

I love With Teeth... I actually like it more now than I did when it first came out.

Getting Smaller is a great song to "walk hard" to. Got me out of a couple really nasty neighborhoods. It is quintessential "throw a m**** f**** on the ground" music. A lot like Big Man with a Gun.

neorev
07-02-2018, 12:01 AM
01 The Downward Spiral
02 With Teeth
03 Broken
04 The Fragile
05 Not The Actual Events
06 Bad Witch
07 Pretty Hate Machine
08 Add Violence
09 Ghosts
10 The Slip
11 Year Zero
12 Hesitation Marks

neorev
07-02-2018, 12:12 AM
Side question: Are there any fans who really love WT who were fans before WT was released? Everybody I've seen who loves WT usually also mentions that it was their first NIN experience. I'm interested to know if there's fans who started listening to NIN in the 80s or 90s who were super happy with WT and still love it today?

I discovered NIN with Broken. I did know of Pretty Hate Machine, mostly its singles on MTV, but I was only 5 at the time. Knowing those tracks made me seek out Broken on its release and was my first real full on NIN experience from front to back. Then I went back and heard Pretty Hate Machine. I was hooked. Of course, The Downward Spiral was a huge deal for me. It took what Trent started on Broken to the next level and showed how electronically made music can still sound organic, emotional, and brutal.

I ain't really a single person. I want an album that I can listen to from front to back. I love albums. If an artist only has a decent song or two on their album, most likely I won't listen to that artist anywhere near as much as the one who can deliver a proper album. The 90s will always be what I consider THE decade for music, but I am still always searching for something new. Sure, I have my favorites like anyone else, but I also love to search and discover new music. As a musician/producer myself, I feel like I'm doing something wrong if I'm not keeping my ears to the ground for what's out there now.

On that note, I absolutely love With Teeth, as you will see by my top NIN list right above. I was a fan from the first moment I put it on. The Fragile was an album that I grew to love over time, but With Teeth was pretty instant for me like it was with Broken and The Downward Spiral. I finally got that same instant love feeling again with Not The Actual Events. I remember the moment I first put on With Teeth and hearing All The Love In The World and I couldn't help but smile. That's when I know an album has me. I just can't help but feel the joy of "I love this!" I can throw With Teeth on and enjoy it from start to finish. The With Teeth tour was also the first time I've seen NIN live. Saw them a few times in NY around that album era, including Madison Square Garden with Queens Of The Stone Age and Death From Above 1979.

StockAvuryah
07-02-2018, 08:58 AM
Sweet story @neorev (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=584), thanks for that.

So, as someone who discovered NIN thanks to David Lynch, relatively recently then, here's my list on a purely emotional level, without any other consideration (because making a list makes no sense anyway) :

1. The Fragile + Still
2. The Trilogy
3. Year Zero
4. The Downward Spiral
5. The Slip
6. Broken
7. Hesitation Marks
8. With Teeth
9. Pretty Hate Machine
10. Ghosts I-IV

elevenism
07-02-2018, 09:22 AM
Ok so I'm gonna try to do this. I've been listening to nin since broken came out and first saw them in 94.

1. Broken/Fixed
2. TDS
3. Still
4. The Fragile
5. PHM
6. Year Zero
7. Trilogy
8. The Slip
9. Ah-Witha Teeth- Uh
10. Hesitation Marks
11. Ghosts

I HIGHLY doubt anything will top broken and fixed for me. I've loved every era of NIN but my favorite was pre internet, when we didn't know much about the man (I misread his name as Renzor at first) and the music and aesthetic had a "goddamn this is horrifying but I can't look away" quality.

slopesandsam
07-02-2018, 11:11 AM
My NIN fandom started with Marilyn Manson (I feel like this was a pretty common story among NIN fans in the late 90s?), when I learned that the guy who'd produced ACS was NIN. This caused my to seek out PHM (thinking that I should start from the beginning, as if a discography is like a book series or something, to be consumed in chronological order) and bounced off it pretty hard. It wasn't until about a year after that that someone basically forced TDS into my hands and I listened to it. TDS blew my mind. I remember saying "it's like my brain is a lock and I finally found the key!"


ACS also led me to a second revelation about NIN. Back then I was a penniless teenager, and stereos and discmen and such were much more expensive. So the only way I ever listened to music was on a shitty little stereo I had in my room. It wasn't until I was up really late studying one night, and my brother came and knocked on my door, told me to turn my damn music down so he could sleep, and thrust his discman into my hands. I was halfway through listening to ACS at the time, so I stuck it in the discman, skipped to the track I was up to, and listened to it on headphones for the first time. My mind was blown again, because I could suddenly hear that there was way more going on in the music than I'd ever noticed before. Of course, I put TDS on right after that. From that point on, I was headphones all the way with NIN.


I was super hyped for TF. I still have nostalgia for the cool snippets of music that were posted on nin.com in the lead up to the release. I rode my bike down to the music store on September 20 so I could be there at 9 am. I had to get the guy to go look in the back, then open up a cardboard box full of copies of TF. Then I rode straight home, told the family not to disturb me, turned off my lights, and strapped on the headphones. The experience is actually one of the fondest memories I have. TF remains the gold standard for products I was hyped for that actually lived up to the hype. Exceeded it, even.


All this is preamble to explain why I just don't really like WT. Because I can remember the six year wait between albums, when there was almost total silence from the NIN camp. It got to the point where I really started to believe that NIN were just done. Then WT was announced, and it seemed like a goddamned miracle. And when it came out I did the same thing - went straight to a music store, bought a copy, went home, turned off the lights, stuck in my headphones and...


...I found myself listening to what sounded to me like a middling rock album, with some very minor NIN flourishes. The incredible layers of sound were stripped away. A couple of the songs were solid rockers, but most of them just seemed kinda bland. (Actually, another total sidenote: something I'd forgotten until I was reading through the comments on this thread was that everyone's favourite song off WT seemed to be Sunspots. I've always found that really baffling, as I thought it wasn't just a bad song, but also a very un-NIN sounding song. People also seemed to hate the title track, which was the only song on the album I really loved.) I actually tried very hard to convince myself that I loved WT, but deep down I knew I didn't. I don't think I actually admitted it to myself until YZ came out. YZ was everything I'd wanted WT to be: new and totally different, but still unmistakably NIN. It was only once I had that confirmation that NIN were still the band I loved that I was able to let go of the lie I'd been telling myself about WT.


And the thing is, I've loved everything NIN has put out since then. WT is just this weird glitch in the discography for me. I've tried listening to it a bunch, to see if I would warm up to it the way I eventually warmed to PHM. But no. It never clicked.

ItsChrisRoss
07-02-2018, 12:25 PM
This would be mine:

1.The Fragile
2. TDS
3. PHM
4. Broken/Fixed
5. With Teeth
6. Year Zero
7. Trilogy
8. The Slip
9. Hesitation Marks
10. Still
11. Ghosts

ryanmcfly
07-02-2018, 12:37 PM
1. Year Zero
2. The Fragile
3. Hesitation Marks
4. The Downward spiral
5. With Teeth
6. Trilogy
7. PHM
8. The Slip
9. Broken (nothing wrong with it, just not as good as the others. Prefer listening to live versions of the songs on this one.)
10. Ghosts

PhoenixML
07-03-2018, 10:15 AM
Side question: Are there any fans who really love WT who were fans before WT was released? Everybody I've seen who loves WT usually also mentions that it was their first NIN experience. I'm interested to know if there's fans who started listening to NIN in the 80s or 90s who were super happy with WT and still love it today?

I became fan around 2004. So... kinda?

Xen
07-06-2018, 02:45 AM
Main Albums:

----- Masterpiece -----

1. Fragile - The quintessential NIN album, best combo of heavy/light and complex/minimalist. Band lineup, arrangement, and production was at the peak.
2. Downward Spiral - This album sets them apart from the rest of the alternative acts of the time. Absolutely no filler, and nobody could match the band's raw energy.

----- Excellent -----

3. Still - Best aural representation of depression/hopelessness, contains 3 of Trent's best instrumentals.
4. Broken - Best aural representation of rage/nihilism, contains best cover done by NIN.

----- Very Good -----

5. Year Zero - Great follow up to a lackluster comeback album (in my opinion), most singularly focused and complete post-Fragile album.
6. Ghosts I-IV - Great experimentation and concept, proves that Trent doesn't need lyrics to make evoke emotions from the listeners.

----- Good -----

7. With Teeth - Great start, average middle, and good finish to the album. First album on my list to contain filler tracks in my opinion, but still lots of classic songs.
8. Pretty Hate Machine - Several good/great songs, surprisingly catchy, but with some of the cheesiest lyrics in the entire catalog.
9. NTAE/AV/3rd EP Trilogy - Some good impressions at first, especially after the let down I had after hearing Hesitation Marks. Not complete grade due to the third EP being unreleased so far.

----- Average -----

10. The Slip - A couple of great songs, some other good tracks, but overall sounds like B-sides from WT and YZ sessions.
11. Hesitation Marks - My hopes were pretty high after hearing Came Back Haunted, but this album was a let down for me because of the generic sounding slower sections (unlike the slow songs from Fragile/WT/YZ which were unique and sounded nothing like the other).

Remix Albums

1. Further Down the Spiral - Best collabs/remixes and awesome experimentation
2. Closer to God - Ditto
3. March of the Pigs - See 1 and 2 but kinda short
4. Year Zero Remixed - Some great remixes, similar in theme to YZ but different enough as well.
5. Things Falling Apart - Very good remixes but also some filler and crappy ones too.
6. Fixed - I like the effort but way too noisy and weird for me.
7. The Perfect Drug - Wasn't feeling it, most remixes seemed half-baked to me.

OK after listening to NTAE/AV/BW a few more times, I'm putting it up to the Very Good category instead of the Good. The ranking is now like this:

1. Fragile
2. Downward Spiral
3. Still
4. Broken
5. Year Zero
6. NTAE/AV/BW
7. Ghosts I-IV
8. With Teeth
9. Pretty Hate Machine
10. The Slip
11. Hesitation Marks

StockAvuryah
07-06-2018, 08:21 AM
OK after listening to NTAE/AV/BW a few more times, I'm putting it up to the Very Good category instead of the Good. The ranking is now like this:

1. Fragile
2. Downward Spiral
3. Still
4. Broken
5. Year Zero
6. NTAE/AV/BW
7. Ghosts I-IV
8. With Teeth
9. Pretty Hate Machine
10. The Slip
11. Hesitation Marks

Nothing more weird than ordering albums that way in supposedly objective categories (referring to the quoted post). Saying it's "good" or "average" doesn't mean anything. It's just condescending. One of the reason "professionnal" reviewers are more often than not full of shit.

dlb
07-06-2018, 08:59 AM
01. The Fragile
02. With Teeth
03. Hesitation Marks
04. Downward Spiral
05. Broken
06. Pretty Hate Machine
07. NTAE/AV/BW
08. Ghosts I-IV
09. The Slip
10. Year Zero
11. Ghosts I-IV

Valknut
07-06-2018, 11:36 AM
1. Still
2. Bad Witch
3. Not The Actual Events
4. Add Violence
5. Ghosts I-IV
6. The Fragile
7. The Downward Spiral
8. Broken
9. The Slip
10. Year Zero
11. Hesitation Marks
12. With Teeth
13. Pretty Hate Machine

Xen
07-06-2018, 02:06 PM
Nothing more weird than ordering albums that way in supposedly objective categories (referring to the quoted post). Saying it's "good" or "average" doesn't mean anything. It's just condescending. One of the reason "professionnal" reviewers are more often than not full of shit.

Do you have a problem with the way I prefer to sort things out? I was referring to my own damn quote from a few months ago, not somebody else's so who am I offending here? I find it peculiar that you chose to single me out among all the posters in this thread who also put longer analysis into their lists. Plus my list is simply an opinion like everybody else's list on this thread, so who am I condescending towards?

notsoprettynow
07-06-2018, 03:49 PM
1. the fragile
2. the downward spiral
3. trilogy
4. pretty hate machine
5. with teeth
6. the slip
7. year zero
8. broken
9. hesitation marks
10. ghosts

loopcloses
07-06-2018, 05:35 PM
1. The Downward Spiral - Probably impossible to top, honestly. I don't want to say TR was at his creative peak here, but if he wasn't he was definitely near it, and more importantly had such agonizing attention to detail and patience that I don't see him having again as a family man in his fifties. That's not a bad thing, and I actually prefer him experimenting and cranking out material instead of spending years perfecting one record at this stage in the game.

2. Year Zero - generally a "safer" record than the 90s stuff, but makes up for it through sheer scope and quality. Most of the songs follow a similar structure, but when they're as good as "Vessel" or "Me, I'm Not" and feel like such pieces of a whole, it's easy to overlook. That's to say nothing of what's largely the best lyrical work of TR's career (it's heavy-handed at times, but it works given the context).

3. Bad Witch - the only negative I really can offer is that it feels slight due to the abbreviated length. The material here feels massive, and a few extra tracks that maintain that standard of quality would maybe have this sitting alongside Spiral. The instrumental focus and ambition is an obvious strength, but what's more surprising is how adventurous the first half feels. I never expected straight rock songs from NIN to be this goddamn good at this stage in the game.

4. The Fragile - the biggest and maybe boldest release, and the deeply personal magnum opus of the catalog. The instrumentation is dizzyingly good, and there's musical detours that remain totally unique to the NIN library (and popular music as a whole).

5. The Slip - low key, possibly my favorite NIN record to listen to. Slick, tight production, with a memorable track sequencing that opens with tight, punchy rock songs before gradually unraveling into dense, somewhat structureless experimental work. Above all else, it's all great; the rock tracks are at once catchy and fresh, and the album only raises the bar as it slowly introduces more layers and atmosphere in "Echoplex" and "Head Down" before blowing the whole thing open.

6. Broken - classic, fist fuck, pigs get what pigs deserve, etc. The nuance of later material is mostly absent but everything here hits and hits hard.

7. Add Violence - would have this over Broken, if not for one thing. "The Lovers", "This Isn't the Place", and "The Background World", while lacking the abrasiveness NIN is known to trade in, are all terrific, haunting tracks that convey a sense of supreme, somber dread... a sense of everything moving towards its permanent end, and an inability to do anything about it. "Not Anymore" doesn't quite nail that atmosphere, but still holds it near and adds urgency and aggression. But shit, man, "Less Than" just really doesn't sound like it belongs here, and it doesn't help that it's also relatively boring as far as NIN singles go.

8. Not the Actual Events - lacking a single blowaway track, but a cohesive unit of unease and filth and uncertainty, and a corner-turning moment for TR as a lyricist--none of the campiness often associated with his lyrics is to be found here, instead pivoting to an uneasy rambling, almost schizophrenic style, with unnerving, repeated refrains like "NONE OF THIS IS HAPPENING" carrying a lot of weight when compared to the usual AABB rhymes.

9. Hesitation Marks - combines the danciness of PHM and the accessibility of With Teeth to make an album better than either. The highlights are usually in the extended outros, taking the beat of the song preceding it and building this atmospheric appendix to it--this happens pretty often, on "Came Back Haunted", "Find My Way", All Time Low", "Disappointed", "Everything", "Satellite", "Running", "While I'm Still Here/Black Noise"--but it never really runs out of steam, and they're what stuck with me moreso than most of the hooks or verses of the songs. Except "In Two"--everything about that song stuck with me, because it rules.

10. Pretty Hate Machine - an outstanding campy cross between 80s dance and rock, and your mileage will vary on the basis of how appealing that sounds. Lots of catchy songs with badass synth breakdowns, with some legitimately awful (yet charming in their own way) lyrics.

11. With Teeth - comes together nicely in the back half with some great pop tracks in "Only" through "Sunspots" and two beautiful closing tracks, and with other bright spots throughout (the bridge from "With Teeth" is tragically underrated), but most of the "Nine Inch Nails does arena rock" stuff I'm ambivalent towards. TR's unbelievably persistent ability to make cool weird sounds is still here and enough to keep you from ever forgetting it's an NIN record, but if you're not into arena-friendly rock music (which I once was, but am now very much not), it really comes across as a lesser version of Nine Inch Nails.

Didn't count Ghosts or Still, mainly because they're too hard to compare with the other records. Where could I possibly put Ghosts that wouldn't just be throwing it in a random spot? Still is mostly comprised of unplugged renditions of songs from the other records.

EDIT: Holy fuck that came out long-winded. I'm a gigantic goddamn dork.

Strohbie
07-07-2018, 01:13 AM
Just for fun, here's mine:
1- The Fragile
2- The Downward Spiral
3- Trilogy
4- With Teeth
5- Broken
6- Hesitation Marks
7- The Slip
8- Year Zero
9- Pretty Hate Machine
10- Ghosts I-IV

There must be a math major on here who can throw together an algorithm to tally up our lists and make an ETS consensus on our favorites. Any takers?

lightfoot_heavyhand
07-07-2018, 03:30 AM
Just for fun, here's mine:
There must be a math major on here who can throw together an algorithm to tally up our lists and make an ETS consensus on our favorites. Any takers?

I’d do it in SPSS if it weren’t for the difficulty of dealing with abnormalities in the source data. For instance, how to deal with the fact that some people have split up The Trilogy and ranked them separately while others just count them as a single entity.

perterje
07-07-2018, 04:22 AM
Oh, let me try this:


The Fragile

Year Zero

The Downward Spiral

Not The Actual Events

With Teeth

Bad Witch

The Slip

Add Violence

Broken

Hesitation Marks

Ghosts I-IV

Pretty Hate Machine

notsoprettynow
07-07-2018, 06:46 PM
But shit, man, "Less Than" just really doesn't sound like it belongs here, and it doesn't help that it's also relatively boring as far as NIN singles go.
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mauro995
07-08-2018, 03:55 AM
1- The Downward Spiral
2- The Fragile
3- NTAE/AV/BW
4- Year Zero
5- Broken
6- Hesitation Marks
7- Still
8- Ghosts
9- With Teeth
10- Pretty Hate Machine
11- The Slip

use you up
07-10-2018, 04:46 PM
Broken
The Downward Spiral
The Fragile
Year Zero
NATE/AV/BW
The Slip
Ghosts
Hesitation Marks
Pretty Hate Machine
With Teeth

thevoid99
07-10-2018, 08:26 PM
1. The Downward Spiral
2. The Fragile
3. Broken
4. Year Zero
5. Pretty Hate Machine
6. Bad Witch
7. Not the Actual Events
8. Add Violence
9. Still
10. Ghosts I-IV
11. Hesitation Marks
12. The Slip
13. With Teeth

nmitchell86
07-10-2018, 08:34 PM
The Next NIN Album!
Broken/ Fixed/ Broken Movie
This One Is On Us - The Gift
Pretty Hate Machine
The Fragile/ Still/ And All That Could Have Been
The Downward Spiral/ Further Down The Spiral/ Closure
NTAE/ AV/ BW
With Teeth/ Beside You In Time
Year Zero Year/ Zero Remix
The Slip
Hesitation Marks
Ghost
All the HTDA
All the Soundtrack/ Score work

Halo Infinity
10-13-2018, 11:19 AM
1. The Fragile
2. The Downward Spiral
3. Pretty Hate Machine
4. Broken
5. With Teeth
6. Year Zero
7. Hesitation Marks
8. Add Violence
9. Not The Actual Events
10. Bad Witch
11. And All That Could Have Been (Still)
12. Ghosts I-IV
13. The Slip

K-Rice
10-13-2018, 11:04 PM
I'm breaking my list up between Albums and EPs because I want to. And I'm putting Bad Witch and Still in the EP section because it feels right. And I guess I'll do a remix list too just for the fuck of it.

Main Albums:
1. The Fragile
2. Year Zero
3. The Downward Spiral
4. With Teeth
5. Pretty Hate Machine
6. The Slip
7. Hesitation Marks

EPs:
1. Still
2. Add Violence
3. Broken
4. Not The Actual Events
5. Bad Witch

Remixes:
1. Year Zero Remixed
2. Things Falling Apart
3. Further Down The Spiral
4. Fixed
5. Perfect Drug Versions

My tastes have changed quite a bit over the years. Hesitation Marks in particular fell very far in my rankings since it's release while With Teeth seems to get better every time I listen to it. I didn't rank Ghosts or Fragile Deviations because they're so different from anything else, but they're two of my favorite releases and I own both of them on vinyl.

caca
10-14-2018, 12:40 AM
As of this precise moment...

1. The Fragile
2. Year Zero
3. The Downward Spiral
4. Bad Witch
5. Not The Actual Events
6. Broken
7. Add Violence
8. Pretty Hate Machine
9. With Teeth
10. Hesitation Marks
12. Ghosts I-IV
13. The Slip

*I don’t dislike ANY of these albums. They all make my pants tighten.

Reznorection
10-15-2018, 11:17 AM
1 The Downward Spiral
2. The Fragile
3. Broken
4. Pretty Hate Machine
5. Bad Witch

Don't really have any strong opinions after that.

snaapz
10-15-2018, 11:18 AM
As of 10/15/2018

In order of what I could not live without...


1. The Fragile
2. TDS
3. PHM
4. Year Zero
5. With Teeth
6. Trilogy
7. The Slip
8. Broken/Fixed
9. Hesitation Marks
10. Still
11. Ghosts

Steven
10-20-2018, 10:14 PM
Ranking after listening to all the albums over the last 2-3 weeks.

1. The Downward Spiral
2. The Fragile
3. BW/NTAE/AV
4. Hesitation Marks
5. With Teeth
6. Pretty Hate Machine
7. Year Zero
8. Broken
9. The Slip
10. Ghosts

Halo Infinity
10-31-2018, 09:56 PM
My NIN fandom started with Marilyn Manson (I feel like this was a pretty common story among NIN fans in the late 90s?), when I learned that the guy who'd produced ACS was NIN. This caused my to seek out PHM (thinking that I should start from the beginning, as if a discography is like a book series or something, to be consumed in chronological order) and bounced off it pretty hard. It wasn't until about a year after that that someone basically forced TDS into my hands and I listened to it. TDS blew my mind. I remember saying "it's like my brain is a lock and I finally found the key!"
I almost completely forgot to reply to your post because my NIN fandom also started with Marilyn Manson. I also have that mentality regarding albums as well. (Although from the looks of it, you no longer do, and perhaps even gotten over it, but that's still certainly as such with me.) I know I don't have to listen to them in chronological order, but that overall habit/tendency stuck with me. It feels like I'm cheating, or skipping a season of a TV show. I know I don't have to do it that way though, and I'll admit that it's sometimes because to jump around the discography instead of listening to it in chronologically order, one by one. I could see how that could kill the fun, and just turn the hobby into a flat-out chore/burden.

One thing that seems to be down to a science though, at least with me, is to at the very least, check out the first 5-10 years of the discography at the very least, and 15 to 20 years at the most. However, in most cases, it's almost a guarantee that the first 5 to 10 years should still suffice for an introduction as far as bands/musicians albums go.

Oh, and I'm totally there with TDS being the key, especially after listening to ACSS. As a matter of fact, I constantly listened to ACSS and HW, so when I heard Broken and TDS for the first time, I'm like, "Holy shit! Go figure and no wonder that Nine Inch Nails is the guy that helped out Marilyn Manson big-time!"

And in hindsight, my friend at the time who go me to listen to NIN was absolutely right as constantly encouraging me to listen to NIN if I loved MM so much. He didn't impose his opinions or nag me either, but I'm so glad he kept telling me over and over to check out NIN, which didn't take too long. Hell never steered me wrong on music before, like ever anyway.


ACS also led me to a second revelation about NIN. Back then I was a penniless teenager, and stereos and discmen and such were much more expensive. So the only way I ever listened to music was on a shitty little stereo I had in my room. It wasn't until I was up really late studying one night, and my brother came and knocked on my door, told me to turn my damn music down so he could sleep, and thrust his discman into my hands. I was halfway through listening to ACS at the time, so I stuck it in the discman, skipped to the track I was up to, and listened to it on headphones for the first time. My mind was blown again, because I could suddenly hear that there was way more going on in the music than I'd ever noticed before. Of course, I put TDS on right after that. From that point on, I was headphones all the way with NIN.


I was super hyped for TF. I still have nostalgia for the cool snippets of music that were posted on nin.com in the lead up to the release. I rode my bike down to the music store on September 20 so I could be there at 9 am. I had to get the guy to go look in the back, then open up a cardboard box full of copies of TF. Then I rode straight home, told the family not to disturb me, turned off my lights, and strapped on the headphones. The experience is actually one of the fondest memories I have. TF remains the gold standard for products I was hyped for that actually lived up to the hype. Exceeded it, even.
I've got to say and really got to love how our first-time experiences listening to Nine Inch Nails are somehow identical in some ways. And while I still enjoy listening to NIN on speakers, it's always been headphones all the way for me as well.


All this is preamble to explain why I just don't really like WT. Because I can remember the six year wait between albums, when there was almost total silence from the NIN camp. It got to the point where I really started to believe that NIN were just done. Then WT was announced, and it seemed like a goddamned miracle. And when it came out I did the same thing - went straight to a music store, bought a copy, went home, turned off the lights, stuck in my headphones and...


...I found myself listening to what sounded to me like a middling rock album, with some very minor NIN flourishes. The incredible layers of sound were stripped away. A couple of the songs were solid rockers, but most of them just seemed kinda bland. (Actually, another total sidenote: something I'd forgotten until I was reading through the comments on this thread was that everyone's favourite song off WT seemed to be Sunspots. I've always found that really baffling, as I thought it wasn't just a bad song, but also a very un-NIN sounding song. People also seemed to hate the title track, which was the only song on the album I really loved.) I actually tried very hard to convince myself that I loved WT, but deep down I knew I didn't. I don't think I actually admitted it to myself until YZ came out. YZ was everything I'd wanted WT to be: new and totally different, but still unmistakably NIN. It was only once I had that confirmation that NIN were still the band I loved that I was able to let go of the lie I'd been telling myself about WT.


And the thing is, I've loved everything NIN has put out since then. WT is just this weird glitch in the discography for me. I've tried listening to it a bunch, to see if I would warm up to it the way I eventually warmed to PHM. But no. It never clicked.
As for me, With Teeth was easily and instant favorite of mine and it actually stood the test of time for me. As far as the albums I haven't been into as much as most of the other albums, that would have to go to Ghosts I-IV and The Slip. (Not to say that I think they're bad albums either, as I still have favorite songs from both of them, and granted, it's not really fair to Ghosts I-IV since it's an instrumental album, but those two are the least listened to NIN albums so far as a whole.)

Steven
12-18-2018, 04:17 PM
1. The Downward Spiral
2. Broken
3. The Fragile
4. With Teeth
5. Not the Actual Events
6. Pretty Hate Machine
7. Add Violence
8. Year Zero
9. Bad Witch
10. The Slip
11. Hesitation Marks

Shoutout for your ranking of With Teeth and NTAE but where you put Hesitation Marks hurts to me

nmitchell86
12-18-2018, 05:40 PM
I can't even rank nin albums... they are all soooo good. I guess Number one for me is the next album and number two is everything else.

Halo Infinity
12-24-2018, 10:44 AM
I just thought of having a little fun with this and separate the run of Pretty Hate Machine to The Fragile and With Teeth to Hesitation Marks, and then Not The Actual Events to Bad Witch afterwards, as I sometimes like to divide eras whenever it comes to ranking albums. I also didn't include Still for this one, because I'm just leaving this for 1989-1999, so it'll have to sit that one out. However, should it be included, Still would easily be ranked at number 5.

While most of it has also remained the same, I actually surprised myself a bit after realizing that I was also listening to Hesitation Marks more than Year Zero and Bad Witch more than Not The Actual Events.

1. The Downward Spiral
2. The Fragile
3. Pretty Hate Machine
4. Broken

1. With Teeth
2. Hesitation Marks
3. Year Zero
4. Ghosts I-IV
5. The Slip

1. Add Violence
2. Bad Witch
3. Not The Actual Events

Max
12-24-2018, 05:32 PM
I just thought of having a little fun with this and separate the run of Pretty Hate Machine to The Fragile and With Teeth to Hesitation Marks, and then Not The Actual Events to Bad Witch afterwards, as I sometimes like to divide eras whenever it comes to ranking albums. I also didn't include Still for this one, because I'm just leaving this for 1989-1999, so it'll have to sit that one out. However, should it be included, Still would easily be ranked at number 5.

While most of it has also remained the same, I actually surprised myself a bit after realizing that I was also listening to Hesitation Marks more than Year Zero and Bad Witch more than Not The Actual Events.

1. The Downward Spiral
2. The Fragile
3. Pretty Hate Machine
4. Broken

1. With Teeth
2. Hesitation Marks
3. Year Zero
4. Ghosts I-IV
5. The Slip

1. Add Violence
2. Bad Witch
3. Not The Actual Events

That’s cool. I can dig that approach.

Max
12-24-2018, 05:49 PM
Okay, my top ten as of today. I based these picks on how deeply the album moves me and how close to perfection they feel to me as an artistic statement. If we are talking about albums, then I am thinking not just about the tracks I like but what is the story, the journey that this album takes me on when I stop every distraction and put the music on and really, deeply listen. I’m also not trying to let the brevity of the EP’s or the length of The Fragile sway me. Just let each piece stand on its own merits.

1. The Downward Spiral
2. Hesitation Marks
3. Add Violence
4. The Fragile
5. Year Zero
6. Bad Witch
7. Still
8. Broken
9. Not The Actual Events
10. The Slip

I think Trent has moved away from Hesitation Marks in a very decisive way but I think that in time it may be appreciated as one of his more profound artistic statements. The way some of Bowie’s albums were reassessed decades later.

I bet if I revisited this post a year from now I would disagree with myself. It’s all so subjective and tied to where we currently are in life...

Fun exercise though.

mauro995
01-01-2019, 08:39 AM
1- The Downward Spiral
2- The Fragile
3- NTAE/AV/BW
4- Year Zero
5- Broken
6- Hesitation Marks
7- With Teeth
8- Pretty Hate Machine
9- Ghosts
10- The Slip

slopesandsam
01-06-2019, 09:50 PM
As for me, With Teeth was easily and instant favorite of mine and it actually stood the test of time for me. As far as the albums I haven't been into as much as most of the other albums, that would have to go to Ghosts I-IV and The Slip. (Not to say that I think they're bad albums either, as I still have favorite songs from both of them, and granted, it's not really fair to Ghosts I-IV since it's an instrumental album, but those two are the least listened to NIN albums so far as a whole.)

The Slip is an album that I find sort of surprises me every time I pull it off the shelf and listen to it again, because I always remember it as being a collection of decent tracks, but the experience of listening to it all again leaves me thinking it's actually one of NIN's best albums. It actually reminds me a lot of Bowie's Low. None of the songs on Low are classics (in fact, I don't think I've ever heard a song from Low played on the radio), but the album as a whole is considered one of Bowie's best. It's also an album where the first half (or side, if you're playing it on vinyl) is where the poppier songs are, and the second half is for the weird instrumentals and experimental tracks.

As for Ghosts I-IV...I feel you there. I liked it well enough at the time, but I feel like it's been eclipsed by Trent and Atticus' score work. I'd much prefer to put on TGWTDT score than Ghosts. That said, I'd probably get slightly excited if Ghosts V-VIII were announced.

StockAvuryah
01-07-2019, 08:27 AM
As for Ghosts I-IV...I feel you there. I liked it well enough at the time, but I feel like it's been eclipsed by Trent and Atticus' score work. I'd much prefer to put on TGWTDT score than Ghosts. That said, I'd probably get slightly excited if Ghosts V-VIII were announced.

Disagreeing there. You can definitively link with Ghosts in the other soudtracks, and the closest is The Social Network, but Ghosts is something of its own, waaay more rock, closer to The Slip actually in the way I approach it.

PS : (Sound and Vision is a well known single and an enormous influence on post-punk and Subterraneans is very much a standout)

Esperanzan
01-08-2019, 04:22 AM
Mine is probably identical to someone else here. Oh well.

1. The Fragile
2. The Downward Spiral
3. Pretty Hate Machine
4. Broken
5. Year Zero
6. Hesitation Marks
7. The Slip
8. Add Violence (beating 9. by a whisker)
9. Not the Actual Events
10. With Teeth
11. Still
12. Ghosts I-IV

Wormwood
01-29-2019, 10:02 AM
1 and 2) Fragile and Downward Spiral-I really cannot differentiate between these two with regards to my favorite. I had been saying The Fragile is my favorite, but then I listened to TDS a lot one week and thought “this must be one of the best albums of alltime.” The Fragile has a chance against it though because it too is great and not only is it great, but there’s an ABUNDANCE of great. I think pound for pound, TDS wins. But TF has more pounds....

3) Year Zero- Just fantastic songwriting. I have memories of my senior year in undergrad walking from class to class listening to this album and 10,000 days by Tool almost exclusively for nearly that entire year. The Warning and God Given are two top 10 NIN tracks for me.

4) Pretty Hate Machine-theres some cheesy moments on the second half of the album (still good stuff though), but the first half of this record is ON FIRE. Some of the catchiest stuff I’ve heard.

5) Broken-Might be higher if there were more material. Brutal, badass, and catchy as hell.

6) Trilogy-it’s hard for me to separate these three. AV is my favorite, but I’m lumping them together. Sue me. Good stuff, great to see Trent still writing good music. Hoping for much more.

7) With Teeth-I was dissapointed when I first heard this, but grew to love it.

8) The Slip-I like this more than many of you do. To me, it sounds like good NIN, nothing more. With the caveat of a minor decrease in general song quality. But there are a few GREAT songs here

9) Hesitation Marks—I don’t think it’s bad. I actually think it’s good. Just not as good as the others.

10) Ghosts-I’ve listened to this WAY less than the others. I need to bust it out and give it a thorough chance and listen

thefragile_jake
05-03-2019, 10:30 PM
Time to do the ol' list again!

1. The Fragile
2. The Downward Spiral
3. With Teeth
4. Bad Witch
5. Pretty Hate Machine
6. Broken
7. Ghosts I-IV
8. Not the Actual Events
9. Hesitation Marks
10. The Slip
11. Add Violence
12. Year Zero

HWB
05-04-2019, 05:47 AM
Might have done this before, but let's see how it changed since then

1) The Fragile
2) The Trilogy
3) With Teeth
4) Still)
5) The Downward Spiral
6) Broken
7) The Slip
8) Year Zero
9) Pretty Hate Machine
10) Hesitation Marks
11) Ghosts

Changes all the time
No album is below 8/10

paul_guyet
05-06-2019, 02:56 PM
Here's mine. (https://soundblab.com/lists/nine-inch-nails-albums-ranked)

theSplinter04
05-07-2019, 05:32 PM
albums (just going by length)
1 - The Downward Spiral
2 - The Fragile (overall a little bit less consistent than TDS.)
3 - The Slip (the album that got me (and probably a lot of other people who like free stuff) into NIN. I guess I'm a bit biased but it's just so fucking great.)
4 - Year Zero (so nasty and catchy at the same time.)
5 - Still
6 - Ghosts I-IV
7 - With Teeth (too many duds.)
8 - Hesitation Marks (very weird comeback album, never got into it. not abrasive enough. the trilogy did it better.)
9 - Pretty Hate Machine (yup.)

EPs
1 - Not the Actual Events
2 - Broken/Bad Witch
3 - Add Violence

HWB
05-08-2019, 12:02 PM
Might have done this before, but let's see how it changed since then

1) The Fragile
2) The Trilogy
3) With Teeth
4) Still)
5) The Downward Spiral
6) Broken
7) The Slip
8) Year Zero
9) Pretty Hate Machine
10) Hesitation Marks
11) Ghosts

Changes all the time
No album is below 8/10
See? Now I'd rather Hesitation Marks far higher.
I don't know why I even try to rate NIN...can't I just put everything at 1?

slopesandsam
05-08-2019, 11:48 PM
PS : (Sound and Vision is a well known single and an enormous influence on post-punk and Subterraneans is very much a standout)

Totally forgot about Sound and Vision. And yes, Subterraneans is fantastic, but I doubt anyone who hasn't listened to Low is aware it exists.

My point about Low was basically: Bowie was super, super famous. And everyone knows his big hits. So when you hear that Low is his best album, you sort of expect it to contain mostly songs you've already heard. Instead, it contains just one of his lesser-known singles.

None of this is supposed to be a knock on Low. It was just surprising to me the first time I listened to the album.

Strohbie
05-09-2019, 11:29 PM
If you can't resist ranking albums, head over to Ranker:

https://www.ranker.com/list/the-best-nine-inch-nails-and-trent-reznor-albums-of-all-time-ranked/rocky128

I put together a list of all the halos, soundtracks, and HtDA albums for your re-ordering pleasure.

Tiger_Stealth
03-20-2023, 10:24 PM
8/10
12. Ghosts
11. Ghosts Locusts
10. Ghosts Together
9. The Slip

9-10/10
8. Year Zero
7. Hesitation Marks
6. Broken
5. Pretty Hate Machine
4. With Teeth

10/10
3. Trilogy (Not The Actual Events > Bad Witch > Add Violence)
2. The Fragile
1. The Downward Spiral

BRoswell
03-20-2023, 10:40 PM
1. The Downward Spiral/The Fragile
2. Still
3. Ghosts I-IV
4. Year Zero
5. Broken
6. Not The Actual Events/Add Violence/Bad Witch
7. The Slip
8. With Teeth
9. Ghosts V-VI
9. Hesitation Marks
10. Pretty Hate Machine

Remix Albums:
1. Year Zero Remixed
2. Things Falling Apart
3. Further Down The Spiral
4. Fixed

Film Scores:
1. The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo
2. Gone Girl
3. The Social Network
4. Quake
5. The Vietnam War
6. Watchmen
7. Before The Flood
8. Waves
9. Bird Box
10. Bones & All
11. Empire Of Light
12. Patriots Day
13. Soul
14. mid90s
15. Mank

Tiger_Stealth
03-20-2023, 10:52 PM
1. The Downward Spiral/The Fragile
2. Still
3. Ghosts I-IV
4. Year Zero
5. Broken
6. Not The Actual Events/Add Violence/Bad Witch
7. The Slip
8. With Teeth
9. Ghosts V-VI
9. Hesitation Marks
10. Pretty Hate Machine

Remix Albums:
1. Year Zero Remixed
2. Things Falling Apart
3. Further Down The Spiral
4. Fixed

Film Scores:
1. The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo
2. Gone Girl
3. The Social Network
4. Quake
5. The Vietnam War
6. Watchmen
7. Before The Flood
8. Waves
9. Bird Box
10. Bones & All
11. Empire Of Light
12. Patriots Day
13. Soul
14. mid90s
15. Mank

Props for having the Trilogy ranked so high up, but I'm triggered by how Hesitation Marks and Pretty Hate Machine are at the bottom. I agree that TGWTDT, Gone Girl, and Social Network are all a step above the rest of the TR/AR soundtracks. I've yet to listen in full to any of the remix albums but I think I'm going to this week.

BRoswell
03-21-2023, 09:34 AM
...but I'm triggered by how Hesitation Marks and Pretty Hate Machine are at the bottom.

It's mainly because I like the other albums better. They're good albums, but I can't tell you the last time I've listened to them all the way through.

Toadflax
03-21-2023, 12:16 PM
I just checked if I had posted here, and I did... 10 years ago. I'll link to that instead of quoting it since it's lengthy:

https://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/421-Rank-NIN-Albums?p=122489#post122489

At the time, I was hooked on Hesitation Marks but didn't know how I'd feel about it over the years. Years later, I still like it a lot, but I don't go back to it that often. I prefer to cherry-pick specific songs, which is unusual for a NIN album.

Also, the trilogy finally got back to that raw and dirty NIN sound I'd been missing since The Fragile, which maybe put Hesitation Marks even more on the back burner.

Here's my current ranking, more or less:

THE FRAGILE
THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL
PRETTY HATE MACHINE
GHOSTS I-IV
YEAR ZERO
BROKEN
THE TRILOGY (NOT THE ACTUAL EVENTS > ADD VIOLENCE > BAD WITCH)
HESITATION MARKS
WITH TEETH
GHOSTS V & VI
THE SLIP



Scores:

THE SOCIAL NETWORK
QUAKE
WATCHMEN
BEFORE THE FLOOD
THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO
MANK
THE VIETNAM WAR
SOUL
GONE GIRL
MID90S
BONES AND ALL
WAVES
BIRD BOX
EMPIRE OF LIGHT
PATRIOTS DAY

Zur En Arrh
03-23-2023, 09:46 AM
1 and 2) Fragile and Downward Spiral-I really cannot differentiate between these two with regards to my favorite. I had been saying The Fragile is my favorite, but then I listened to TDS a lot one week and thought “this must be one of the best albums of alltime.” The Fragile has a chance against it though because it too is great and not only is it great, but there’s an ABUNDANCE of great. I think pound for pound, TDS wins. But TF has more pounds....

3) Year Zero- Just fantastic songwriting. I have memories of my senior year in undergrad walking from class to class listening to this album and 10,000 days by Tool almost exclusively for nearly that entire year. The Warning and God Given are two top 10 NIN tracks for me.

4) Pretty Hate Machine-theres some cheesy moments on the second half of the album (still good stuff though), but the first half of this record is ON FIRE. Some of the catchiest stuff I’ve heard.

5) Broken-Might be higher if there were more material. Brutal, badass, and catchy as hell.

6) Trilogy-it’s hard for me to separate these three. AV is my favorite, but I’m lumping them together. Sue me. Good stuff, great to see Trent still writing good music. Hoping for much more.

7) With Teeth-I was dissapointed when I first heard this, but grew to love it.

8) The Slip-I like this more than many of you do. To me, it sounds like good NIN, nothing more. With the caveat of a minor decrease in general song quality. But there are a few GREAT songs here

9) Hesitation Marks—I don’t think it’s bad. I actually think it’s good. Just not as good as the others.

10) Ghosts-I’ve listened to this WAY less than the others. I need to bust it out and give it a thorough chance and listen

I feel the same way. I can't separate the fragile/spiral. It goes back and forth.

1.the downward spiral/ the Fragile.
3.year zero.
4.broken.
5.the trilogy(see them as one album).
6. Pretty hate machine.
7. With Teeth.
8. Hesitation Marks.
9.the slip.
10.ghosts.

And to be clear, none of those are " weak" they're all dope as fuck..

leftshoe18
03-27-2023, 07:58 PM
Right now at this moment in time my list would look like this:
1. The Fragile
2. With Teeth
3. The Downward Spiral
4. Pretty Hate Machine
5. Hesitation Marks
6. Broken
7. Year Zero
8. Bad Witch
9. Not The Actual Events
10. Add Violence
11. Ghosts I-IV
12. The Slip
13. Ghosts V
14. Ghosts VI