Trump 2017: Year Zero [Archive] - Page 5

allegro

02-06-2017, 10:33 AM

He's SAYING that but the above-linked NY Times article indicates that Trump is OBSESSED with TV reports, etc. that gauge his popularity. He is OBSESSED with "good ratings" and polls. He has a pathological need to win and be adored.

See also: Narcissistic Personality Disorder (https://www.addictionhope.com/mood-disorder/narcissistic-personality/):

When a man, women, adolescent, or child is struggling with narcissistic personality disorder, they will exhibit certain signs and symptoms that will be indicators of this mental health disorder. If you or a loved one is struggling with narcissistic personality disorder, these symptoms may help you become aware of what you are dealing with or lead you to reach out for professional help. Common signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder include but are not limited to:

* Obsession with self
* Appearing unemotional
* Setting unrealistic or unattainable goals
* Easily rejected or hurt
* Becoming jealous easily
* Using others to an advantage to reach own goals
* Reacting to others with shame, anger, or humiliation
* Difficulty maintaining relationships
* Requiring constant positive reinforcement and attention from others
* Dramatization of own importance, talents, and achievements
* Desiring the best of everything
* Fantasizing about success, power, and attractiveness
* Having a fragile self-esteem

implanted_microchip

02-06-2017, 10:41 AM

any negative polls are fake news
any negative polls are fake news
any negative polls are fake news

Welcome to the DPRK, enjoy your stay!

Mantra

02-06-2017, 11:00 AM

^@allegro, Right, and that's why he has to disregard all negative polls as "fake news." I don't think Trump can stomach the idea of most people hating him. The only way he can confront this is by convincing himself that it can't possibly be true.

I see the same mentality from all his worshipers at the_Donald. As far as they're concerned, they ARE the country, and almost no one else exists. The 3 million more votes that Hillary got? It MUST be voter fraud. The many millions who have been out in the streets protesting? Those are nothing but "professional protestors" hired by George Soros. Apparently George Soros is so fucking wealthy, he literally has the means to hire millions of people to fill the streets on an ongoing basis.

One way or another, it all works out that there is no opposition, the while country loves Donald, anyone who claims otherwise is automatically lying, any and all evidence is automatically considered fake.

Jinsai

02-06-2017, 11:50 AM

George Orwell is an example of someone who's done an amazing job, and is getting recognized more and more, I've noticed. Big impact.

sweeterthan

02-06-2017, 12:43 PM

The White House press briefing today featured SNL. Spicer called them mean. Hahahaha

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Deepvoid

02-06-2017, 01:10 PM

Jinsai Are you gonna make it through 4 years? :)

Jinsai

02-06-2017, 01:51 PM

@Jinsai (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=272) Are you gonna make it through 4 years? :)

Hanging in there... we'll see if this country can make it through four years of this bullshit.

On a positive note, while I'm personally not much of a fan of Lady Gaga, her use of "This Land is Your Land" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/06/if-you-thought-lady-gagas-halftime-show-was-apolitical-consider-the-origin-of-this-land-is-your-land/?utm_term=.ad530a2df0bb) was kind of (potentially) brilliant.

"There was a big wall that tried to stop me
the sign was painted, said private property
but on the back side, it didn't say nothing
this land was made for you and me...
one bright sunny morning in the shadow of the steeple
by the relief office I saw my people
as they stood hungry
I stood there wondering if God blessed America for me"

Bachy

02-06-2017, 01:52 PM

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/n7qf6s/using-the-republicans

Louie_Cypher

02-06-2017, 03:07 PM

call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it. Some FAKE NEWS media, in order to marginalize, lies!
does that sound like someone crazy no that's the president, wow
-louie

hellospaceboy

02-06-2017, 03:38 PM

call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it. Some fake news media, in order to marginalize, lies!
Does that sound like someone crazy no that's the president, wow
-louie
sad!

leo3375

02-06-2017, 07:09 PM

Ron Rosenbaum, who wrote the book Explaining Hitler, had been asked during last year's election campaign to write about Mango Mussolini. He declined, until now. I strongly recommend reading this:
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/normalization-lesson-munich-post/]Against Normalization: The Lesson of the "Munich Post" (https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/normalization-lesson-munich-post/]Against Normalization: The Lesson of the "Munich Post")

The Munich Post was the only newspaper in Germany that refused to normalize Hitler, the Nazis, and what they were doing. The paper was eventually forced to shut down in March of 1933, not long after Hitler became Chancellor. He often called the Post the "poison kitchen," due to the perceived slander it would cook up about him. Hell, Hitler called any press outlet he didn't like lügenpresse, or "lying press."

How long until someone in the current regime goes full Hitler and calls CNN or The New York Times "lying press" or a "poison kitchen?"

theimage13

02-06-2017, 07:26 PM

How long until someone in the current regime goes full Hitler and calls CNN or The New York Times "lying press" or a "poison kitchen?"

You mean like this - where he literally says the words "you are fake news" to a CNN reporter?

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004865825/trump-calls-cnn-fake-news.html

Jinsai

02-06-2017, 07:35 PM

oh my gawwwwwwwwwwwwwd (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/318146-white-house-promises-to-provide-list-of-terror-attacks-the-media)

When I first saw this headline I thought for sure it was satire. Spicer has doubled down on Trump's gaffe, claiming that they're going to put out a list of terror attacks across Europe that the unfair dishonest media has failed to report on. They're actually insisting that the press is intentionally not running news stories about terrorist attacks... What's their source going to be, InfoWars? Spicer's clarification that they would include instances where attacks were thwarted or "under reported" is bizarre, and it twists a less insane-sounding version out of Trump's statement, completely side-stepping the insinuations he was making. The Bowling Green Massacre wasn't "under reported," it wasn't front page material. It was a story about two Iraqi citizens who tried (and failed) to send money and guns to terrorists. When Kellyanne Conway tried to make a big deal about it, she exaggerated the incident so hyperbolically that it became a joke, and nobody gave a fuck about the actual story... so MAYBE that's why it wasn't all over the news?

The Washington Post additionally points out that Trump personally made no mention of the recent terrorist attack in Canada (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/06/president-trump-is-now-speculating-that-the-media-is-covering-up-terrorist-attacks/?utm_term=.d9e481202426), but did Twitter-out about the Louvre attack that claimed no lives. I wonder if that has something to do with the attacks in Canada having no foundation in Islam, and that the attacker 'liked' him on Facebook and had a rabid anti-Islam agenda...

Or maybe it has something to do with not wanting to address the fact that there's actually two borders to the mainland of this country, and he has no plans for a wall on the northern one?

How long until someone in the current regime goes full Hitler and calls CNN or The New York Times "lying press" or a "poison kitchen?"

Well, now Spicer is saying the New York Times should apologize to Trump for running this story (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/us/politics/trump-white-house-aides-strategy.html?_r=0&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fcheat s%2F2017%2F02%2F05%2Freport-trump-not-briefed-on-exec-orders.html), and on Twitter, the president (AAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGG) called them fake news... Also, both Bannon and Trump have labeled the press "the opposition party"

Deepvoid

02-06-2017, 07:46 PM

oh my gawwwwwwwwwwwwwd (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/318146-white-house-promises-to-provide-list-of-terror-attacks-the-media)

When I first saw this headline I thought for sure it was satire. Spicer has doubled down on Trump's gaffe, claiming that they're going to put out a list of terror attacks across Europe that the unfair dishonest media has failed to report on. They're actually insisting that the press is intentionally not running news stories about terrorist attacks... What's their source going to be, InfoWars? Spicer's clarification that they would include instances where attacks were thwarted or "under reported" is bizarre, and it twists a less insane-sounding version out of Trump's statement, completely side-stepping the insinuations he was making. The Bowling Green Massacre wasn't "under reported," it wasn't front page material. It was a story about two Iraqi citizens who tried (and failed) to send money and guns to terrorists. When Kellyanne Conway tried to make a big deal about it, she exaggerated the incident so hyperbolically that it became a joke, and nobody gave a fuck about the actual story... so MAYBE that's why it wasn't all over the news?

The Washington Post additionally points out that Trump personally made no mention of the recent terrorist attack in Canada (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/06/president-trump-is-now-speculating-that-the-media-is-covering-up-terrorist-attacks/?utm_term=.d9e481202426), but did Twitter-out about the Louvre attack that claimed no lives. I wonder if that has something to do with the deaths in Canada having no foundation in Islam, and that the attacker 'liked' him on Facebook and had a rabid anti-Islam agenda...

Or maybe it has something to do with not wanting to address the fact that there's actually two borders to the mainland of this country, and he has no plans for a wall on the northern one?

Here is the list.

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/828768074031587328

No spell check I guess. Attaker?

onthewall2983

02-06-2017, 08:28 PM

Bill O'Reilly basically refusing to apologize to Putin on his show tonight (http://deadline.com/2017/02/bill-oreilly-vladimir-putin-apology-killer-donald-trump-interview-super-bowl-1201903645/)

https://m.popkey.co/a818d6/4Vvbx.gif

Jinsai

02-06-2017, 08:35 PM

Here is the list.

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/828768074031587328

No spell check I guess. Attaker?

Some of this is completely unverifiable, and this wouldn't line up with the insinuation where this was centralized, given that incidents on this list happened in Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Libya, Pakistan, Bosnia, Egypt, Tunisia, Bangladesh, Russia, Turkey...

And some of these were extensively covered by the press... in the Twitter comments there, you even have a Tweet from someone who wrote a front-page article on one of these incidents for the Wall Street Journal. I mean, the 2016 Brussels attack is on here! The tactic here is pretty transparent... put together a long list and hope that people won't look into it, and will just say "I saw a long list, so I'm convinced and newly terrified! Save me Trump!"

And actually... this concept very well might have been put into his head via InfoWars (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/06/trumps-suggestion-that-the-media-is-ignoring-terrorist-attacks-has-a-familiar-source-infowars/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.c0a3a1aac39e#comments)

Also, I haven't looked into every name on this list, but just because someone with a middle-eastern sounding name commits a violent crime, that doesn't de-facto make it an act of terrorism.

Deepvoid

02-06-2017, 08:48 PM

The list is pretty ridiculous indeed.
They listed some stabbing where the attacker is listed as unidentified. How can this be labeled as a terrorist attack?

cynicmuse

02-06-2017, 10:34 PM

Even John Yoo, author of the Torture Memos during the George W. Bush administration, has issues (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/06/opinion/executive-power-run-amok.html) with the ban.

According to this article (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/melissa-mccarthy-sean-spicer-234715) on Politico about the SNL skit on Spicer, "... it was Spicer’s portrayal by a woman that was most problematic in the president’s eyes...." WTF? I wonder how long Spicer will last. That first ill-fitting suit was his fault, but pretty much everything after that seems to be Spicer following his boss's instructions. Spicer is also doing two jobs, press secretary and communications directory. Either post is a full time job in any administration.

clarktrent

02-06-2017, 11:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUIcCyPOA30&feature=youtu.be

Jinsai

02-06-2017, 11:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUIcCyPOA30&feature=youtu.be

Alex Jones is incapable of uttering a single sentence without sounding like a completely insane fuck...

Mantra

02-07-2017, 12:02 AM

Have we talked about this New York Times article yet:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/us/politics/trump-white-house-aides-strategy.html?_r=0

Just WOW

Probably the single most revealing/terrifying part:
"Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/national_security_council/index.html?inline=nyt-org), a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban."

That whole article is awesome, but you're right, that is definitely the scariest part.

The thing is, Bannon is significantly more intelligent and educated than Trump. Trump doesn't know shit about what it actually takes to be a president. So it makes sense to delegate the more technical aspects of running the country to Bannon. But delegating this kind of work also means conceding a certain amount of direct control, which maybe doesn't sit well with him, given what an ego-tripping control freak he is. But honestly, what's the alternative? There's just no way that he's going bone up on the technical minutia of managing the executive branch at this point. It ain't happening. Trump actually is sort of intelligent in his own way, but he has no attention span whatsoever, he prefers watching cable news to reading books, and he's also getting pretty damn old and fuzzy headed. So he's forced to be dependent on others. If it wasn't Bannon, it would be someone else. Someone has to be there to actually do the boring, technical, strategic shit that needs to be done, because Trump can't do it, not directly anyway.

So I imagine that Bannon feels pretty confident in his position. The dude's pretty close to untouchable. Even if Trump ever wanted to wrestle power away from him, Bannon could burn him badly through Breitbart. I read Breitbart on a semi-daily basis, and I'm surprised at how often I see people who are ready to turn on Trump the moment they perceive him to softening up a bit. It's not a regular thing, but the potential is certainly there. Even the notion that he won't be pursuing criminal charges against Hillary had some of them furious that he was selling out on that issue. So it's not completely unimaginable that Bannon could try and turn the tide of hard right public opinion against Trump if he ever needed to. So really, he has nothing to fear, because Trump, for one reason or another, can't afford to lose him. Bannon's gonna go hard as a motherfucker with this administration, just because he can.

Jinsai

02-07-2017, 12:17 AM

The thing is, Bannon is significantly more intelligent and educated than Trump.

Yes, and also probably an unimaginably bigger asshole... if that can be imagined.
But intelligence and being a complete dick are not mutually exclusive things...

Bannon is almost certainly a sociopath, and he's endeared himself to Trump, who is also a sociopath, but with celebrity appeal and a brand name, and a "very good brain." Trump is a fucking moron, but ultimately, he's the one with the finger on the nukes. He's the one with the real power... so you have two petty narcissistic pudgy old men jerking each other off, all the while planning for a complete makeover of the world, but with probably different motives. I think if Steve Bannon actually had control of the office, he'd be launching nukes as fast as possible. He wants chaos and madness, and he's achieving it, because he's smart and has well thought-out terrible ideas.

Trump just wants applause, power, and glamor, because he's a fucking navel-gazing moron.

Trump doesn't know shit about what it actually takes to be a president. So it makes sense to delegate the more technical aspects of running the country to Bannon.
from his ridiculous dumbfuck perspective, perhaps, but if he had the first inkling of how to do the job he was just elected to do, it would make sense to appoint qualified and sane people.

Deepvoid

02-07-2017, 06:01 AM

Alex Jones is incapable of uttering a single sentence without sounding like a completely insane fuck...

I've been trolling infowars' comments section for a while now. Still not banned.
I lost it with their news story "Lady Gaga To Conduct Satanic Ritual at Super Bowl LI"
I'm not even gonna link it because it was so ridiculous.

But I could not go through the Joe Rogan podcast. It felt like torture after 2 minutes.

M1ke

02-07-2017, 06:57 AM

Here is the list.

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/828768074031587328

No spell check I guess. Attaker?

Wait...what?

The two Canadian attacks listed weren't covered? I remember being at work the morning that the the soldier was shot in Ottawa, and shots were later fired in Parliment Hill. The CBC cut off the show we had on in the break-room for live coverage. Cpl Cirillo's family lives a 2 minute walk from my karate school. It was on every news report, tons was written about it. We had a goddamn televised memorial event when they brought his body home, and another one a year later.

This wasn't covered my fucking ass, you stupid piece of shit!

The other attack happened the day before. It was covered on the news that night. Then it was overshadowed by what happened the next day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N89BAADF1bE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQLRJ6ulZW4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsPeMBPg0k8

Swykk

02-07-2017, 07:10 AM

I've been trolling infowars' comments section for a while now. Still not banned.
I lost it with their news story "Lady Gaga To Conduct Satanic Ritual at Super Bowl LI"
I'm not even gonna link it because it was so ridiculous.

But I could not go through the Joe Rogan podcast. It felt like torture after 2 minutes.

While I don't find trolling funny, I agree with you about not being able to listen to that JRE episode. I can't stand it when Eddie Bravo starts talking nonsense. It sucks because I definitely respect his opinion on just about everything else and he is a Jiu Jitsu master...I just can't handle his conspiracy theory bullshit. I don't have that respect for Jones. He's just a complete goober. He needs help.

hellospaceboy

02-07-2017, 08:30 AM

Trump doesn't know shit about what it actually takes to be a president. So it makes sense to delegate the more technical aspects of running the country to Bannon. But delegating this kind of work also means conceding a certain amount of direct control, which maybe doesn't sit well with him, given what an ego-tripping control freak he is. But honestly, what's the alternative? There's just no way that he's going bone up on the technical minutia of managing the executive branch at this point. It ain't happening.

I HATE myself for saying this, but...
I'd be okay Mike Pence doing the day-to-day stuff! He's a terrible human being, and we'd constantly have to fight him to keep our rights, but at least he doesn't want to start a racial WWIII and watch the world burn to the ground.

allegro

02-07-2017, 11:25 AM

That whole article is awesome, but you're right, that is definitely the scariest part.

The thing is, Bannon is significantly more intelligent and educated than Trump. Trump doesn't know shit about what it actually takes to be a president. So it makes sense to delegate the more technical aspects of running the country to Bannon. But delegating this kind of work also means conceding a certain amount of direct control, which maybe doesn't sit well with him, given what an ego-tripping control freak he is. But honestly, what's the alternative? There's just no way that he's going bone up on the technical minutia of managing the executive branch at this point. It ain't happening. Trump actually is sort of intelligent in his own way, but he has no attention span whatsoever, he prefers watching cable news to reading books, and he's also getting pretty damn old and fuzzy headed. So he's forced to be dependent on others. If it wasn't Bannon, it would be someone else. Someone has to be there to actually do the boring, technical, strategic shit that needs to be done, because Trump can't do it, not directly anyway.

So I imagine that Bannon feels pretty confident in his position. The dude's pretty close to untouchable. Even if Trump ever wanted to wrestle power away from him, Bannon could burn him badly through Breitbart. I read Breitbart on a semi-daily basis, and I'm surprised at how often I see people who are ready to turn on Trump the moment they perceive him to softening up a bit. It's not a regular thing, but the potential is certainly there. Even the notion that he won't be pursuing criminal charges against Hillary had some of them furious that he was selling out on that issue. So it's not completely unimaginable that Bannon could try and turn the tide of hard right public opinion against Trump if he ever needed to. So really, he has nothing to fear, because Trump, for one reason or another, can't afford to lose him. Bannon's gonna go hard as a motherfucker with this administration, just because he can.

I dunno, Trump is pretty vengeful, too, and could spend every moment of every day of his life ragging on Breitbart.

I think Trump is relying TOO MUCH on his "key people" and now he's finally starting to micromanage more, to have control, know what he's signing, know what's going on, so that things don't get overly fucked-up because HIS ass is on the line for all of this and, of course, he doesn't like being blamed for anything. He is generally NOT a micromanager, he hires people to do a good job so that he doesn't have to babysit everything; if they fuck up, he fires 'em. But, he's quickly learning that his typical "hands off" approach doesn't work when you're President.

Trump would've been far better off with Christie, but they got rid of Christie because of that Bridgegate shit. Too bad, at least Christie is a lawyer and was the U.S. Attorney for New Jersey.

Edit: Trump is keeping Christie in his back pocket, though. (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/314873-christie-blames-wife-for-no-trump-role)

Deepvoid

02-07-2017, 11:31 AM

This, over proposed legislation to provide due process to people before police can seize all their assets according to Greenwald.

https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/829007910277636097

Edit: DeVos just confirmed with Pence breaking the 50-50 tie.

allegro

02-07-2017, 11:47 AM

Sen John McCain linked this on Twitter (http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/middleeast/syria-executions-amnesty-international-report/index.html).

Reading the details is horrifying, ugh.

Edit: McCain has issued a statement: http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2017/2/statement-by-sasc-chairman-john-mccain-on-amnesty-international-s-report-on-syrian-government-s-mass-executions

theimage13

02-07-2017, 11:59 AM

I don't want to hear anyone sounding "surprised" when she gets confirmed. She's got the votes, but I swear all of my friends are acting like she's going to be blocked and a lot of media outlets are saying she's in "dangerous" territory. No, she isn't.

Like I said...

allegro

02-07-2017, 12:22 PM

Like I said...

Every news outlet I follow and the Chicago news coverage all indicated that the two Republican Senate "No" votes equaled a tie which would be broken by Pence, so I don't know who thought DeVos's confirmation was in danger other than hype masters or wishful thinking.

Kodiak33

02-07-2017, 12:36 PM

It was only fitting that Mike Pence put it over the line...goddamn. She was an absolutely awful candidate, and I'm for school choice. Another person in a high position who has no idea what she's doing.

Mantra

02-07-2017, 12:55 PM

I dunno, Trump is pretty vengeful, too, and could spend every moment of every day of his life ragging on Breitbart.

I think Trump is relying TOO MUCH on his "key people" and now he's finally starting to micromanage more, to have control, know what he's signing, know what's going on, so that things don't get overly fucked-up because HIS ass is on the line for all of this and, of course, he doesn't like being blamed for anything. He is generally NOT a micromanager, he hires people to do a good job so that he doesn't have to babysit everything; if they fuck up, he fires 'em. But, he's quickly learning that his typical "hands off" approach doesn't work when you're President.

Yeah, true. Of course, it's not like Trump and Bannon are enemies. It seems like they see eye to eye on most things, so Trump probably feels justified in trusting Bannon, more or less. And I suspect that, in areas where perhaps Bannon does differ in opinion from Trump, Bannon is generally able to avoid conflict. He's not an idiot. Supposedly Bannon and Miller are both really good at framing things in a way they know Trump will find appealing. It's not like Trump is hard to manipulate.

I would find all of this to be a very fascinating character drama if it was happening at a safe distance, or maybe if it was in a book or show. Trying to figure out what makes these people tick while they're actively ruling over us and fucking up our country isn't nearly as fun.

Trump would've been far better off with Christie, but they got rid of Christie because of that Bridgegate shit. Too bad, at least Christie is a lawyer and was the U.S. Attorney for New Jersey.

Edit: Trump is keeping Christie in his back pocket, though. (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/314873-christie-blames-wife-for-no-trump-role)

Wasn't Christie pushed out by Kushner as payback for prosecuting his father?

Edit: Nevermind, just read your link. Hmmm. Maybe that was just what people were speculating at the time.

joplinpicasso

02-07-2017, 01:00 PM

Trump looks more and more like a dumb but useful idiot every day, and I thought it was harder to go lower than he was.

theimage13

02-07-2017, 01:47 PM

Every news outlet I follow and the Chicago news coverage all indicated that the two Republican Senate "No" votes equaled a tie which would be broken by Pence, so I don't know who thought DeVos's confirmation was in danger other than hype masters or wishful thinking.

Lots of headlines on the ol interwebz. A lot of them were less-than-stellar operations, but some of the less awful sites were commenting - at least at the time of the two Republicans announcing their change - that her confirmation was in danger. The rhetoric did seem to die down once people did the math and realized that she still needed more people to stand up to her, and that none of them would.

DF118

02-07-2017, 02:12 PM

Trump gets laughs when he offers to destroy a Texas state senator career. (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/07/trump-gets-laughs-when-he-offers-to-destroy-a-texas-state-senators-career.html)

Is he a gangster now?

Jinsai

02-07-2017, 02:48 PM

Yeah, I don't get the shock that Devos got appointed... this was an incredibly obvious one.
I guess it's not surprising either, that I'm seeing a lot of surprise from the same people who were saying "c'mon, Jill Stein has a real chance!"

Kodiak33

02-07-2017, 03:05 PM

Kodiak33

02-07-2017, 03:06 PM

Republicans are definitely putting party over country as on DeVos. They know she's terrible and have no excuse for voting for her besides Trump nominating her.

theimage13

02-07-2017, 04:12 PM

This is the exact playbook the Dems were using for things like "gun deaths/injuries/crimes" that include someone getting an airsoft gun in the eye.

I'm shocked to find myself saying this, but I agree. Those websites that track "all gun deaths" or "mass shootings" have some seriously sketchy data in them. Even as someone who is 100% in favor of stricter gun control, I was staring at those pages with a cocked eyebrow and going "what the......?"

But, let me use that as a reason to say that this is exactly WHY we need to be allowed to fund gun violence research as the health crisis that it is. Treat it like a disease. Have a comprehensive database of every ACTUAL shooting with a real, designed-to-kill-things weapon that includes relevant demographic information. Not to use it as some partisan attack ad, but so we can better analyze WHO is getting shot and WHY. Maybe then we'll have a chance to rethink the way we approach reducing gun violence.

Sorry, that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Deepvoid

02-07-2017, 04:53 PM

Joe and Alex have been friends for a very long time. I'm always amused by Joe trying to bring Alex back to reality. Joe is a heavy skeptic, and he is prone to believing kooky shit.... But he slowly leads himself away from it through maintained skepticism. When he had Neil degrasse Tyson on and was asking about moon hoax shit is one of my favorite episodes. For one, holy shit are you really going to do this Joe? Two, god damn Neil is patient. Three, well shit... it was basically a debunking of moon hoax theories to an audience who needs it most.

As for that Alex Jones video posted above.... There are little glimmers of truth under what he is saying... If you understand his perspective. Imagine finding a person that just watched every episode of X Files while on LSD. Then you introduce them to the concept of computers and the Internet while explaining, from a high technical level, how it works. Give him another month to digest that and you'll get a rant similar to that video. That's Alex Jones. His skepticism goes only as far as being against whatever is widely accepted.

Was the term "pedophile vampire" a metaphor I didn't get or does he literally believes there are pedo vamps out there?

Sutekh

02-07-2017, 05:02 PM

Alex Jones is just mental. He believes there is a satanic eyes wide shut type group running pop culture. He's a moron.

For years he was urging us to beware the police state, beware authoritarian governments... fair enough

But now he backs the most authoritarian president since the fifties! I don't get how he sees trump as an improvement on Obama in that respect

Mentally ill. At least David Icke continues to hate all governments. Yes there is a bit of truth to what Jones says, but very few people are talking 100% unicorns

I think it's very worrying that someone like Jones has any kind of proximity to a potus. There's a lot of hysterical hitler/trump comparisons which are pretty much nonsense, but the vindication of mad conspiracy theories of the kind espoused by Jones is definitely the sort of thing that could be described as heading down that road

After all, a lot of Jones' stuff is just classic 20th century jew bashing, just euphemised and reheated for a new audience

Louie_Cypher

02-07-2017, 05:37 PM

Was the term "pedophile vampire" a metaphor I didn't get or does he literally believes there are pedo vamps out there? currently reading a book called sinister forces which has to do with witchcraft and the occult and the history of the USA, totally interesting
-louie

ziltoid

02-07-2017, 05:43 PM

A very interesting read.
The DeVos vote is a bad case study for the power of campaign contributions. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/07/the-devos-vote-is-a-bad-case-study-for-the-power-of-campaign-contributions/)

Louie_Cypher

02-07-2017, 05:45 PM

well the flu has officially killed more people than muslim terrorists
-louie

Sutekh

02-07-2017, 09:45 PM

LMAO
Yeah... That's where I completely started to get lost. Seems He also started losing Joe then. That's where he deviated from technology and into lizard people shit. I don't know enough about that realm. My guess is that he believes them to be pedophiles and draining in nature. So "leech" would have substituted. Unless it connects with the idea that rich people are utilizing children's blood for life extension treatments?

Lol... yep that's it! Well, I don't know if that's what they believe, but at the very least, they believe that the elites believe that abuses and sacrifice render some kind of energy

Actually it is something I have long pondered... do Jones, Icke et al believe that these elites (which they believe in) actually DO practice black magic, and black magic is actually real - or do they just think they are deluded and depraved?

Dragging it back to Trump... I have always wondered if he is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. He has made some pretty strange remarks regarding it, and apparently has some kind of personal relationship with Jones. I'm absolutely gagging to find out, because if he is, that is totally mad and will make for interesting news stories, and if he isn't, it will create a schism between him and the Jones crowd, also loaded with potential for interesting news

Jinsai

02-08-2017, 12:41 AM

Louie_Cypher

02-08-2017, 08:52 AM

i know huffpo is a leftist rag but no one is concerned by this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-administration-leaks_us_589a45f1e4b04061313a1fbb?
-louie

Sutekh

02-08-2017, 09:15 AM

I think the BBC is annoyed with trump, they have done a point by point fisking of trumps claims that the media doesn't report or under reports terror attacks. One of the longest bbc news articles I've ever seen

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38890090

Sallos

02-08-2017, 09:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_KUf_giuZo

allegate

02-08-2017, 09:56 AM

so Warren was silenced by McConnell and his spineless cronies for trying to read a letter written by Coretta Scott King... the widow of Martin Luther King... THE civil rights hero of the American civil rights movement... to present a side of Sessions that might be relevant, given that his past is under scrutiny for racism.

WHAT?! https://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/shameful-internet-shreds-mcconnell-for-stopping-warren-from-reading-coretta-scott-king-letter-to-senate/

Read the letter, which Warren was unable to deliver... because a bunch of fucking cowards knew it had power greater than theirs (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/01/10/read-the-letter-coretta-scott-king-wrote-opposing-sessionss-1986-federal-nomination/?utm_term=.5d800352b225)

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-elizabeth-warren-barred-speaking-impugning-sen-jeff-sessions-n718166

McConnell and other Republicans said Warren violated Senate rules. The rule, No. 19, says senators cannot "directly or indirectly, by any form of words impute to another Senator or to other Senators any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a Senator."
However, when Sen. Tom Udall, D-New Mexico, read the same letter the next day, Republicans did not object.
So mansplaining is, yet again, OK.

allegro

02-08-2017, 11:13 AM

I like this article (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/02/elizabeth-warren-violates-gag-rule-by-criticizing-sessions.html) about the "Gag Rule" imposed by the Senate against Warren.

I loathe Mitch McConnell SO MUCH, I can't even express it. He's a mean old man and he needs to retire.

Swykk

02-08-2017, 11:24 AM

It's awesome that Sanders has Warren's back even after she left him high and dry during the primary. That said, I'll take it. Even if it wasn't reciprocal. It's the right thing to do. McConnell was a tool before he was in Trump's pocket.

allegro

02-08-2017, 11:37 AM

It's awesome that Sanders has Warren's back even after she left him high and dry during the primary. That said, I'll take it. Even if it's late.

She didn't really leave him high and dry; I'm sure they, as good friends, discussed this matter before she finally opted to support Clinton, because by that time the game was clearly over, since the President had already endorsed Clinton.

Sanders is not a vindictive guy. He's mature enough to understand politics.

UGH THIS PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH, WTF. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/08/politics/jeff-merkley-mark-udall-elizabeth-warren/)

"She was warned. She was given an explanation. Nevertheless, she persisted," McConnell said on the Senate floor.

Warren is now barred from speaking on the floor for the remainder of the debate on Sessions' nomination, McConnell's office said. The debate is expected to wrap up about 7 p.m. ET Wednesday when a final confirmation vote is planned.

allegro

02-08-2017, 11:47 AM

Is that Orrin Hatch behind McConnell cleaning out his nostrils??

See 0:16 of embedded video.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/02/08/republicans-use-obscure-rule-to-silence-elizabeth-warren-quoting-coretta-scott-king.html

Swykk

02-08-2017, 11:50 AM

allegro

02-08-2017, 11:54 AM

It's an awful double standard. We're still so far behind progress wise and are poised to fall even farther.

As for my criticism (which I believe I brought up while it was happening or rather, NOT happening), Warren could've (and should've) endorsed Sanders way earlier on. Obama and pretty much every other Democrat played the same shitty political waiting game. It sucked then. It sucks way worse now. But here we are.

I believe she explained, at the time, that she didn't want to interfere in the primary process, so she stayed out of it completely until it was pretty much "over." Which is pretty much what the President did, too. Had Sanders been the front-runner and was clearly going to have the most Electoral votes, Obama and Warren would have still waited until the very end to endorse Sanders. It wasn't about the actual candidate; it was about not interfering or influencing voters during the primary process, and I can understand that.

re Warren and the Gag Rule etc.: Yes, I think we are going BACKWARD instead of forward in so many ways. That's why we need TERM LIMITS in Congress. NOW. Those old farts gotta go.

All of this also indicates why we keep saying that our votes for members of CONGRESS are MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than our votes for a President.

theimage13

02-08-2017, 11:55 AM

#CastrateMcConnell.

allegro

02-08-2017, 11:58 AM

#CastrateMcConnell.

On the Senate floor? Heh. That's kinda brutal.

VOTE HIM OUT.

AND IMPOSE TERM LIMITS.

McConnell has been a U.S. Senator for THIRTY-THREE FUCKING YEARS.

Jinsai

02-08-2017, 01:21 PM

Mitch McConnell looks like a mashup of the "ello!" worm from Labyrinth, and the monster from Pan's Labyrinth.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/a6/ea/dd/a6eaddb97f3653905e3b39948622391e.jpg
http://fanaru.com/pans-labyrinth/image/138060-pans-labyrinth-pale-man.gif

Coincidence!? Someone, call up Alex Jones, I think I'm on to something here

Kodiak33

02-08-2017, 02:09 PM

John Oliver did a nice little thing about McConnell looking like a old man's dick. It was hilarious and gross.

I think he's horrible, truly a stereotypical bad politician.

baudolino

02-08-2017, 02:10 PM

this isn't too bad

'Trump's Cabinet of Killers and Why Orange is the New Anti-Black' by Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill https://megaphone.link/FL7005027452

Jinsai

02-08-2017, 03:47 PM

so I got bored and made this to amuse myself... it's uncanny
https://media.giphy.com/media/26gs9Bxnxik63f4B2/giphy.gif

allegate

02-08-2017, 05:04 PM

Shit gibbon is my new favorite.

https://twitter.com/daylinleach/status/829041688186335232

allegro

02-08-2017, 05:44 PM

Shit gibbon is my new favorite.

https://twitter.com/daylinleach/status/829041688186335232

wow, I love that guy! We need more like him in politics!

hellospaceboy

02-08-2017, 06:17 PM

Wow, if things will continue this way we won't be able to keep up with the shitstorm in this thread:

Anybody who questions the Yemen raid owes an apology. Also, it's an actual quote: it was a "huge success".
“I think anybody who undermines the success of that raid owes an apology and [does a] disservice to the life of Chief Owens.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/08/sean-spicer-just-set-an-extraordinary-standard-for-criticizing-military-operations-under-trump/?utm_term=.1d3c776e237d (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/08/sean-spicer-just-set-an-extraordinary-standard-for-criticizing-military-operations-under-trump/?utm_term=.1d3c776e237d)

Anybody who fires one of Donald Trump's children is attacking the presidency itself. So much for that separation of businesses...
"There's a targeting of her brand and it's her name," Spicer said. "She's not directly running the company. It's still her name on it. There are clearly efforts to undermine that name based on her father's positions on particular policies that he's taken. This is a direct attack on his policies and her name. Her because she is being maligned because they have a problem with his policies."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ivanka-trump-nordstrom-line

And Trump's reaction to the precieved weakness of Spicer is very predictable:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/02/08/trump-reportedly-wants-to-replace-sean-spicer-as-press-secretary/21709857/

Jinsai

02-08-2017, 06:25 PM

Sessions confirmed...

Wretchedest

02-08-2017, 06:41 PM

I actually thought he got confirmed last week somehow, so I'm living this nightmare for the second time.

GulDukat

02-08-2017, 06:49 PM

Sorry if this has been posted. Jon Stewart on Colbert. Great stuff:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i-4r9XE5EM0

Jinsai

02-08-2017, 06:52 PM

H.R.899 - To terminate the Department of Education (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/899)

allegate

02-08-2017, 07:07 PM

H.R.899 - To terminate the Department of Education

(https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/899)
What the hell is this fresh fuckery.

And what about DeVos? What was the point of that parade/charade if they're getting rid of the shitting thing?

Jinsai

02-08-2017, 07:13 PM

What the hell is this fresh fuckery.

And what about DeVos? What was the point of that parade/charade if they're getting rid of the shitting thing?

Well, they couldn't have someone competent running it in the meantime, could they?

Swykk

02-08-2017, 07:14 PM

@Jinsai (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=272) For fuck's sake. Really?

Maybe because the GOP know the younger generations don't favor them so dumb down a new one? Can't wait for my nephew to learn about evil brown people on the 6000 year old flat Earth where the arts don't matter.

hellospaceboy

02-08-2017, 07:25 PM

Why isn't the weakness just fake news? Why is this bit of public opinion something worthy of action?

You are right, of course... but he was played by a woman on SNL so he has to go! SAD!

Jinsai

02-08-2017, 07:29 PM

Louie_Cypher

02-08-2017, 07:54 PM

since alex jones was posted meme magic the cult of kek and pepe the frog https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com/
-louie

allegro

02-08-2017, 08:02 PM

What the hell is this fresh fuckery.

And what about DeVos? What was the point of that parade/charade if they're getting rid of the shitting thing?

That is a House Bill introduced by ONE person; it may not survive one day. Any Congressperson can introduce a Bill.

Aladdinsanity

02-08-2017, 08:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_KUf_giuZo

Oh, hey look, it's the guy who claims to be "classical liberal" whilst using the Quebec shooting to justify Trump's Muslim ban when him and the Breitbart base he panders to for subscribers initially thought said shooting was carried out by a Muslim.

cashpiles (closed)

02-08-2017, 09:42 PM

trump1
trəmp/
noun

(in bridge, whist, and similar card games) a playing card of the suit chosen to rank above the others, which can win a trick where a card of a different suit has been led.

a valuable resource that may be used, especially as a surprise, in order to gain an advantage.
noun: trump card
"in this month General Haig decided to play his trump card: the tank"

Last name: Trump

This early English medieval surname is derived from the pre 8th century Olde French 'Trompeor', and as such was introduced by the Norman invaders of England in 1066. It is a metonymic or job descriptive name either for a trumpeter or a maker of trumpets, and is recorded in the modern forms of Trump and Trumper.

He seems to see everything as a game to always be number 1 in...and he sure knows how to toot his own horn....

Jinsai

02-08-2017, 10:10 PM

That is a House Bill introduced by ONE person; it may not survive one day. Any Congressperson can introduce a Bill.
I know that, but it has early support, and these ideas to dismantle the EPA and DoE echo Reagan efforts. http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/318310-gop-lawmaker-proposes-abolishing-department-of-education

allegro

02-08-2017, 10:17 PM

I know that, but it has early support, and these ideas to dismantle the EPA and DoE echo Reagan efforts. http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/318310-gop-lawmaker-proposes-abolishing-department-of-education

I actually agree with this:

Massie believes that policymakers at the state and local levels should be responsible for education policy, instead of a federal agency that’s been in place since 1980

Some of our biggest education disasters have been DoE mandates from Washington (No Child Left Behind, Common Core, endless and useless mandatory testing, etc.)

Aladdinsanity

02-08-2017, 11:11 PM

West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin was amongst those who voted in favor of nominating Jeff Sessions, perhaps in an effort to help the Democrats descend into self-parody of the goddamn joke the entire party has become. Who or what exactly are they even standing for?

bobbie solo

02-09-2017, 02:10 AM

Oh, hey look, it's the guy who claims to be "classical liberal" whilst using the Quebec shooting to justify Trump's Muslim ban when him and the Breitbart base he panders to for subscribers initially thought said shooting was carried out by a Muslim.

and that thought process is why this piece of shit was kicked to the curb by TYT. Yes, I'm slightly bias. Cenk can do almost no wrong in my eyes.

bobbie solo

02-09-2017, 02:12 AM

Manchin is a total piece of shit but he's trying desperately to hold onto his seat in a backwards as fuck state.

Sutekh

02-09-2017, 07:26 AM

since alex jones was posted meme magic the cult of kek and pepe the frog https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com/
-louie

Absolutely amazing... reminds me of Dion Fortune waging a magickal war against the Nazis

hellospaceboy

02-09-2017, 08:23 AM

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16508581_1688626251154837_5091585786440001568_n.jp g?oh=5b9ceaec389ebfb44cbbf301353fbeef&oe=59391765

Deepvoid

02-09-2017, 10:40 AM

Conway literally told Fox viewers to buy Ivanka's merchandise. (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/kellyanne-conway-tells-fox-news-viewers-to-go-buy-ivankas-stuff-go-buy-it-today/)

Is this even legal? That's a taxpayer sponsored commercial for Ivanka's brand.

Louie_Cypher

02-09-2017, 10:46 AM

Sutekh

02-09-2017, 11:35 AM

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16508581_1688626251154837_5091585786440001568_n.jp g?oh=5b9ceaec389ebfb44cbbf301353fbeef&oe=59391765

They are so desperate... people like duke go on and on about how Zionism and Jews are the enemy... I don't agree with that obviously, but in trump you have a staunchly pro Israel individual who has spoken at an AIPAC conference and told Netanyahu on Twitter to "hang in there" and wait for his presidency

????????

How does this fit into their worldview

allegate

02-09-2017, 11:57 AM

The same way poor people vote Republican: Cognitive dissonance & single-issue voting.

To cut the snark a little: I know that current Democratic leaders don't exactly have their pulse on the poor voters either but in a historical sense, they at least try. Maybe they should do more of that in the future?

onthewall2983

02-09-2017, 12:33 PM

Deepvoid

02-09-2017, 02:10 PM

Looks like Conway definitely went too far by promoting Ivanka merchandise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n7DJxS3gCE

allegro

02-09-2017, 02:12 PM

We should do a poll on how long we think Trump will last before he's ousted or gives up.

implanted_microchip

02-09-2017, 02:13 PM

I know that current Democratic leaders don't exactly have their pulse on the poor voters either but in a historical sense, they at least try. Maybe they should do more of that in the future?

Obama, Biden and Bill Clinton all pushed heavily in the past election for the Hillary campaign to focus more on grassroots organizing and connecting with blue collar workers. They didn't, and they became overconfident, and imagined that we lived in a demographic map from twenty years from now, and it cost them big time. Sanders was all about that mentality and in turn got derided for not going all-out on identity politics 24/7. People like Elizabeth Warren are all about representing the working class and I'd say she's the strongest face of the party right now, especially after the "nevertheless, she persisted" fuck-up by McConnell. I think it's wrong to characterize the Democratic party as a party that isn't trying to do that, it just stumbled big-time recently and if anything it seems to have served as a wake-up call for many.

allegro

02-09-2017, 02:23 PM

They are so desperate... people like duke go on and on about how Zionism and Jews are the enemy... I don't agree with that obviously, but in trump you have a staunchly pro Israel individual who has spoken at an AIPAC conference and told Netanyahu on Twitter to "hang in there" and wait for his presidency

????????

How does this fit into their worldview

The rest of Duke's sentence, that he didn't type, is "from black people."

"Mr Trump's appointments of Bannon, Flynn and Sessions are the first step in the project of taking America back from black people." (Or anyone who is not "European American." (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/david-duke-senate-race/))

See his "our people (https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/796249464826687488/photo/1)" Tweet.

Sutekh

02-09-2017, 02:48 PM

The rest of Duke's sentence, that he didn't type, is "from black people."

"Mr Trump's appointments of Bannon, Flynn and Sessions are the first step in the project of taking America back from black people." (Or anyone who is not "European American." (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/david-duke-senate-race/))

See his "our people (https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/796249464826687488/photo/1)" Tweet.

Sure but there is still the glaring discrepancy between supporting pro Israel trump and their worldview - these are people who won't watch movies made by film studios that have Jewish executives... who repeatedly state that political parties and candidates infiltrated by what they call "ZOG" are the #2 enemy (after Jews themselves)... It's totally at odds with their whole ideology

Obviously, they're a bunch of stupid deluded hypocrites, but usually they maintain a consistency with their narrative, hence languishing at the fringes of politics and society. It makes me wonder if there has actually been some kind of reassurance given to them

Jinsai

02-09-2017, 03:05 PM

Conway encouraging people to run out and buy Ivanka's crap is illegal, and it highlights the gross conflict of interest on display here with this administration. Congressman Ted Lieu has been amazing in stepping up to the plate and calling them out for all their insanity, and he's called on the Office of Government Ethics to investigate Conway for this.

NPR weighing in on Trump's business ties: "Even if his sons or other associates are named as the officers of the various businesses, the profits flow back to one person: Donald J. Trump." (http://www.npr.org/2017/02/08/513904816/ethics-experts-find-holes-in-trumps-firewall-against-conflicts?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170208)

However, fuck it all... just in: Trump talks to Putin... about nukes (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-putin-idUSKBN15O2A5?il=0&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social)

theimage13

02-09-2017, 03:12 PM

Looks like Conway definitely went too far by promoting Ivanka merchandise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n7DJxS3gCE

So someone told her "don't do that again" and she's free to go about her business as usual.

Super helpful.

Lew

02-09-2017, 03:43 PM

So someone told her "don't do that again" and she's free to go about her business as usual.

Super helpful.

bigly.

(i am really dreading what all of this is going to do for canadians who want to make canada great again.)

Dra508

02-09-2017, 03:45 PM

We should do a poll on how long we think Trump will last before he's ousted or gives up.I'm in. I'm going with 1 year tops.

I read today that he has already filed re-election papers.

theimage13

02-09-2017, 03:58 PM

I'm in. I'm going with 1 year tops.

I read today that he has already filed re-election papers.

Why wouldn't he? He had the biggest turnout for opening day. He won the popular vote by millions. The only polls to claim to have bad news about him have been fake ones. Why on earth wouldn't you take advantage of such blatant popularity?

sick among the pure

02-09-2017, 04:06 PM

I'm in. I'm going with 1 year tops.

I read today that he has already filed re-election papers.

He filed for re-election something like 5 or so hours after being sworn in. This has NEVER been done before.

Space Suicide

02-09-2017, 04:51 PM

http://cnn.com.de/news/twitter-deletes-donald-trumps-twitter-account/

Edit: Obviously fake.

Jinsai

02-09-2017, 05:08 PM

http://cnn.com.de/news/twitter-deletes-donald-trumps-twitter-account/

Not sure if that's supposed to be satire or just fake news click-bait...

...but it sounds like Trump is going to ramp up the war on drugs again, and that he will be "ruthless, we gotta be." Slow your roll, Easy D

This just in: Travel ban to remain blocked, for now

sick among the pure

02-09-2017, 05:27 PM

http://cnn.com.de/news/twitter-deletes-donald-trumps-twitter-account/

.com.de
It's not CNN.

theimage13

02-09-2017, 05:30 PM

http://cnn.com.de/news/twitter-deletes-donald-trumps-twitter-account/

Just so we're clear, that's not CNN. It's literally a fake news site.

I'm only posting this because there was no disclaimer at all in your post, and no indication given as to whether it was understood to be fake news. Just making sure we're all on the same page here.

Space Suicide

02-09-2017, 05:55 PM

Not sure if that's supposed to be satire or just fake news click-bait...

...but it sounds like Trump is going to ramp up the war on drugs again, and that he will be "ruthless, we gotta be." Slow your roll, Easy D

This just in: Travel ban to remain blocked, for now

.com.de
It's not CNN.

Just so we're clear, that's not CNN. It's literally a fake news site.

I'm only posting this because there was no disclaimer at all in your post, and no indication given as to whether it was understood to be fake news. Just making sure we're all on the same page here.

I'm aware but I still posted it as it pertained to the thread subject.

sick among the pure

02-09-2017, 06:00 PM

I'm aware but I still posted it as it pertained to the thread subject.

You posted a link to a false news website parading as if it were legit, with no comment on pointing out it was not a real news article. We were simply making sure you, and everyone coming to this thread, realize this is not a real news source.

Louie_Cypher

02-09-2017, 06:37 PM

So someone told her "don't do that again" and she's free to go about her business as usual.

Super helpful. i slapped her wrist and said no gold star for you today now get back to lying your ass off
-louie

allegro

02-09-2017, 07:20 PM

I'm in. I'm going with 1 year tops.

I read today that he has already filed re-election papers.

He has to in order to keep his campaign fund open.

I'm going for 8 months.

For misuse of campaign funds.

allegro

02-09-2017, 07:23 PM

Sure but there is still the glaring discrepancy between supporting pro Israel trump and their worldview - these are people who won't watch movies made by film studios that have Jewish executives... who repeatedly state that political parties and candidates infiltrated by what they call "ZOG" are the #2 enemy (after Jews themselves)... It's totally at odds with their whole ideology

Obviously, they're a bunch of stupid deluded hypocrites, but usually they maintain a consistency with their narrative, hence languishing at the fringes of politics and society. It makes me wonder if there has actually been some kind of reassurance given to them

No I think that Duke is stupid and delusional.

Jinsai

02-09-2017, 08:11 PM

so the wall is now estimated to cost 22 billion dollars, and will take three years to build... These numbers just seem to steadily be going up...

These Trump supporters want the wall as a gesture, they know it's not going to accomplish anything. I would love to ask these people: Would you rather have the wall, or fifty thousand dollars in your pocket right now? I guarantee you, 98% of them would say "give me the money now." The other 2% would be split between liars and people in the top 1% economic bracket who find the whole thing rather amusing.

allegro

02-09-2017, 08:21 PM

And the wall doesn't account for the TUNNELS.

This shit that Trump keeps spewing about Chicago, WITH BULLSHIT NUMBERS AND INFORMATION, is maddening.

He keeps talking about Chicago, but he never puts his money where his mouth is. So far, Chicago leaders have said, yeah, bring on the Feds! We could use some help.

But from Trump: crickets.

The other day, he blamed gang violence on illegal immigrants, even though vast majority of gang-related deaths are among BLACK PEOPLE. Where are they illegal immigrants from, exactly? Indiana?

And, NOBODY in these conversations ever blames the real culprit: DRUGS.

They site "lack of jobs."

yeah, go ahead and offer these young men a job at Mickey D's. You SERIOUSLY think they'll be interested in making chump change when they can make HUNDREDS of dollars PER DAY dealing drugs for a gang?

What fucking planet are you on?

And why aren't the Feds and the DEA already involved in this? Millions of dollars per year of drugs sold in gang areas in Chicago, HOW DO THEY GET IN?

Because somebody is being paid off to look the other way??

sweeterthan

02-09-2017, 08:25 PM

Caps lock, y'all. Trump unleashed the easy D on twitter.

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theimage13

02-09-2017, 09:17 PM

I'm aware but I still posted it as it pertained to the thread subject.

To be clear, I don't think anyone said "this doesn't belong here". We're just being increasingly vigilant in regard to the rapidly rising plague of fake news. If an article from a site that appears to be trying to trick people into believing it is posted with no acknowledgement at all that it's understood to be fictitious, we just want to calmly and politely make sure that the difference is noted. I'm all for posting things like that (or the Borowitz Report, or The Onion, etc.) just as long as the context is clear. I think Jinsai's reply demonstrates why this is sometimes necessary: the truth is now so bat-shit insane that if a legitimate looking site reports something, one does have to actually pause and dig a little deeper to find out if it's true or false.

theimage13

02-09-2017, 09:18 PM

Caps lock, y'all. Trump unleashed the easy D on twitter.

I literally don't know what either of these sentences mean. Caps lock, yall? Unleashed the easy D? I'm lost.

sweeterthan

02-09-2017, 09:34 PM

I literally don't know what either of these sentences mean. Caps lock, yall? Unleashed the easy D? I'm lost.

Sorry I thought everyone reads his twitter feed for sport.

He responded to the Muslim ban court decision with this all caps tweet:
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/829836231802515457

Yesterday he tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/829384587482656768

Easy d is hilarious.

sick among the pure

02-09-2017, 09:36 PM

I literally don't know what either of these sentences mean. Caps lock, yall? Unleashed the easy D? I'm lost.

The caps lock is in regards to his latest tweet (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/829836231802515457) "SEE YOU IN COURT, THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION IS AT STAKE!"
Because he is so angry he has to use caps lock to show us just how angry he is.

The "easy D" thing was this tweet (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/829384587482656768) where he said "Big increase in traffic into our country from certain areas, while our people are far more vulnerable, as we wait for what should be EASY D!"
This tweet, where he out of nowhere talks about "easy D" has taken off as a joke about Trump cruising on the down low for some dick ("easy D" being code for gay men seeking another gay man to have sex with, no strings attached).

edit: I've been beaten to the explanation punch.

hellospaceboy

02-10-2017, 06:45 AM

I literally don't know what either of these sentences mean. Caps lock, yall? Unleashed the easy D? I'm lost.

These are, word for word, the exact thoughts of the white house staff member whose job it is to keep an eye on the president's twitter account and come up with ways to do damage control...

theimage13

02-10-2017, 06:45 AM

Sorry I thought everyone reads his twitter feed for sport.

He responded to the Muslim ban court decision with this all caps tweet:
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/829836231802515457

Yesterday he tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/829384587482656768

Easy d is hilarious.

Don't read it. Refuse to. As the one cartoon that's been circulating for a while states...I'm torn between the desire to stay informed and the need to stay sane. Since nothing in his account is newsworthy (rather, nothing in his account is important OR demonstrably accurate), I ignore it.

hellospaceboy

02-10-2017, 06:54 AM

So someone told her "don't do that again" and she's free to go about her business as usual.

Super helpful.

Apparently Jason Chaffetz had quite the town hall meeting yesterday....

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rep-jason-chaffetz-faces-angry-town-hall-crowd-utah-n719231

and I think this letter is the first time the GOP made ANY moves on the Trump administration. It's not a huge step, but this just might be the first crack...
https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/5z476m0c1s5pem6h/images/1-ec35a050c5.jpg
https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/5z476m0c1s5pem6h/images/2-92c7237c24.jpg

Louie_Cypher

02-10-2017, 09:11 AM

again, this administration is about distraction do or say something outrageous, then snatch your wallet, freedom or whatever i want
-louie

Deepvoid

02-10-2017, 09:47 AM

allegate

02-10-2017, 10:19 AM

Nothing could get me to click 'like' for that - even if I do think it's fucking hilarious - because it's also really fucking sad.

allegro

02-10-2017, 10:22 AM

According to a recent poll conducted by Public Policy Polling (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/02/americans-now-evenly-divided-on-impeaching-trump.html), 51% of Trump voters say the "travel ban" is justified following the Bowling Green Massacre.

"Among those who do support it you have to wonder how well thought out their position is- by a 51/23 margin Trump voters say that the Bowling Green Massacre shows why Trump's immigration policy is needed."
But that link says that 46% of voters want to impeach Trump (and 46% don't).

Americans Now Evenly Divided on Impeaching Trump

PPP's new national poll finds that Donald Trump's popularity as President has declined precipitously just over the last two weeks. On our first poll of his Presidency voters were evenly divided on Trump, with 44% approving of him and 44% also disapproving. Now his approval rating is 43%, while his disapproval has gone all the way up to 53%. If voters could choose they'd rather have both Barack Obama (52/44) or Hillary Clinton (49/45) instead of Trump.

Just three weeks into his administration, voters are already evenly divided on the issue of impeaching Trump with 46% in favor and 46% opposed. Support for impeaching Trump has crept up from 35% 2 weeks ago, to 40% last week, to its 46% standing this week. While Clinton voters initially only supported Trump's impeachment 65/14, after seeing him in office over the last few weeks that's gone up already to 83/6.

Of course, we can safely surmise that the pro-impeach opinion is only likely to rise (since he's been in office less than a month and things are FUBAR).

The Court that just upheld the Order against the immigration ban is known to be one of the most "liberal" in the country and most often overturned. But if the SCOTUS decides to hear this case, the SCOTUS is split 4/4 so it will be a tie and the lower Court's decision will stand. And the 90 days in the EO are still ticking.

This is fun.

Deepvoid

02-10-2017, 10:39 AM

But that link says that 46% of voters want to impeach Trump (and 46% don't).

Second paragraph "Voters think he's over reaching to make a country safe...that they already consider to be safe."

Louie_Cypher

02-10-2017, 12:11 PM

Louie_Cypher

02-10-2017, 12:15 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-flynn-russia-sanctions_us_589d6c69e4b0ab2d2b13e518?ncid=inblnku shpmg00000009, it would appear you had an awful lot of contact with russia, where are your tax returns fraud
-louie

sweeterthan

02-10-2017, 01:40 PM

Don't read it. Refuse to. As the one cartoon that's been circulating for a while states...I'm torn between the desire to stay informed and the need to stay sane. Since nothing in his account is newsworthy (rather, nothing in his account is important OR demonstrably accurate), I ignore it.

Understandable. For me, it's like a train wreck and I can't look away. I mean, it just keeps getting crazier. The caps lock "see you court" tweet is such bizarre behavior for an elected official of the highest office.

allegro

02-10-2017, 02:22 PM

Second paragraph "Voters think he's over reaching to make a country safe...that they already consider to be safe."

Yup.

-Voters think he's over reaching to make a country safe...that they already consider to be safe. 66% of Americans consider the United States to be a safe country, to only 23% who consider it unsafe. Perhaps as an outgrowth of that sentiment only 45% of voters support Trump's Executive Order on immigration, to 49% who are opposed to it. Among those who do support it you have to wonder how well thought out their position is- by a 51/23 margin Trump voters say that the Bowling Green Massacre shows why Trump's immigration policy is needed.

By a 48/43 spread, voters do think that the intent of the Executive Order is to be a Muslim ban. And just 22% support a Muslim ban, to 65% who are opposed. The order has also increasingly raised issues about Trump's competence in voters' eyes- only 27% think the Executive Order was well executed, to 66% who think it was poorly executed. The spread on that question was 39/55 when we asked last week.

Louie_Cypher

02-10-2017, 03:06 PM

[QUOTE=sweeterthan;341675]Understandable. For me, it's like a train wreck and I can't look away. I mean, it just keeps getting crazier. The caps lock "see you court" tweet is such bizarre behavior for an elected official of the highest office.[/QUOTE he is unstable I don't think the constitution took this into account, as much as i admire TJ no one could hfore saw this,what?
-louie

bobbie solo

02-10-2017, 06:12 PM

Obama, Biden and Bill Clinton all pushed heavily in the past election for the Hillary campaign to focus more on grassroots organizing and connecting with blue collar workers. They didn't, and they became overconfident, and imagined that we lived in a demographic map from twenty years from now, and it cost them big time. Sanders was all about that mentality and in turn got derided for not going all-out on identity politics 24/7. People like Elizabeth Warren are all about representing the working class and I'd say she's the strongest face of the party right now, especially after the "nevertheless, she persisted" fuck-up by McConnell. I think it's wrong to characterize the Democratic party as a party that isn't trying to do that, it just stumbled big-time recently and if anything it seems to have served as a wake-up call for many.

perhaps, but if they don't elect Ellenson as DNC Chair then that is a signal that they're truly going in that direction in the right way. Perez would just be more of the same old, same old...as evidenced by his pathetic twitter apology re: his primary comments.

theimage13

02-10-2017, 08:39 PM

I'm late to the game on this, but I just saw the Fox News "Steve Bannon vs ISIS" checklist.

I swear to fucking christ it's like living in a showing of Idiocracy that just won't end. "See? See? He's not so bad!"

If some lonely guy wants to blast that shit off from his room so his Facebook followers will think he's clever, cool. What you, as someone with literally no training in journalism or communications, wants to do with your time is none of my business. But for a fucking national news outlet to come up with the idea, APPROVE the idea, and run with it? I don't care how low your opinion of Fox News is, this is a level of desperation we've never seen before.

Louie_Cypher

02-10-2017, 08:50 PM

lighten up it's lewis black https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRvjPuaKSW0
-louie

Jinsai

02-10-2017, 09:35 PM

sweeterthan

02-10-2017, 10:34 PM

so the news clip on the radio just said that Trump is preparing another EO to ban travel, although no details at the moment as to how it will differ from the one just rejected by the court.

uh... is that even possible?! Is there an historic precedent of anything like this happening? Can he just keep signing the same EO over and over again with minor alterations? Surely not, right?

I saw this on MSNBC tonight and from what I gathered, the wording will make it a different/new order. The last one was struck down but the new order is new and somehow (I guess) not illegal.

Will he push the judicial branch to the point where he's impeached? Could they imprison him for going too far?

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allegro

02-10-2017, 11:17 PM

I saw this on MSNBC tonight and from what I gathered, the wording will make it a different/new order. The last one was struck down but the new order is new and somehow (I guess) not illegal.

Will he push the judicial branch to the point where he's impeached? Could they imprison him for going too far?
The Trump administration opted NOT to "SEE YOU IN COURT" (SCOTUS), most likely because the SCOTUS is split 50/50 and probably because they didn't want to set new precedent that high (not take that risk), so the new EO is likely to name specific countries that are actual sources of terrorism in this country (per backing data) and won't affect Green Card or Visa holders, so that the EO conforms to the Court Opinion.

allegro

02-10-2017, 11:26 PM

THIS IS GOING TO BE A HUUUUGE THING (http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/nine-people-say-mike-flynn-lied-about-his-phone-calls-russian-ambassador).

Jinsai

02-11-2017, 12:34 PM

THIS IS GOING TO BE A HUUUUGE THING (http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/nine-people-say-mike-flynn-lied-about-his-phone-calls-russian-ambassador).

I just came in here to post about the same thing... holy shit

theimage13

02-11-2017, 01:56 PM

THIS IS GOING TO BE A HUUUUGE THING (http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/nine-people-say-mike-flynn-lied-about-his-phone-calls-russian-ambassador).

Or people will stop reporting it after SNL lets Rosie O'Donnell play Steve Bannon, and Trump drops the world's tiniest little nuclear bomb on 30 Rockefeller Plaza while simultaneously tweeting that O'Donnell is too ugly to rape.

Okay, maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration.

I hope.

Exocet

02-11-2017, 02:06 PM

Ive never understood the US obsession with Iran...i just dont get it, they are always talking about it, for years.....yeah its government is horrible..its not 1979 anymore...
And its not as bad as Saudi Arabia.
no one in Europe or Russia/central Asia, China, India...really gives a shit about it.

Iran is not Iraq....its too late for them to fuck with Iran now, its got 80 Million people becoming quite powerful...its the most powerful country in the middle east now...i know this relegates Israel and makes them anxious..they are not stupid enough to acctually attack Israel and incite blowback from the US.
There will be no coups or democracy installed..

Donald Trump is always going off on these Iran rants...whats he aiming for ??...if he invaded Iran it would be like Iraq times 20 in terms of chaos...nothing is going to happen.
I acctually thought that Obama Iran deal was the best foreign policy thing he did. Out of an otherwise bad legacy in that department.

allegro

02-11-2017, 07:07 PM

Ive never understood the US obsession with Iran...i just dont get it, they are always talking about it, for years.....yeah its government is horrible..its not 1979 anymore..

It's partly because we still hold a grudge from the "Iran Hostage Crisis" ("death to the Unites States!" and all that stuff, even though the Iranian Revolution was partly our fault for not sending the Shah back to Iran to face criminal charges), but it's mostly because Iran funds Hamas and Hezbollah. And the U.S. HATES them, particularly Hamas. Because of the U.S.'s ties to, and alliance with, Israel. Because we can't see anything except the Israeli side of things. Even when the Palestinians are totally defenseless and need Hamas to protect them, Israel (and the U.S.) claim that Hamas and Palestine are sending rockets into Israel totally unprovoked. But, if you look at the Real Truth, that's a bunch of shit. But the U.S. has its players on the Risk Board in Israel. Most conservatives and even a shitload of liberals (Hillary Clinton) fucking HATE Palestinians and Hamas. Hillary still holds a grudge because of the failure of the Arafat/Bill Clinton Camp David Summit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit). As do a ton of conservatives.

If you ever get a chance and can find it, watch the Israel / Palestine episode of Anthony Bordain's "Parts Unknown (http://www.cnn.com/video/shows/anthony-bourdain-parts-unknown/season-2/jerusalem/index.html)." It was fucking AWESOME.

Also, the U.S. has close ties with Saudi Arabia (Sunnis), and the Saudis hate Iran (Shiite).

allegro

02-12-2017, 10:31 AM

I want to throw a chair at Stephen Miller, the smug little prick.

He's like Doug Neidermeyer in "Animal House."

http://www.aveleyman.com/Gallery/ActorsM/11927.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dy2fo6E_pI

Harry Seaward

02-12-2017, 11:08 AM

Ive never understood the US obsession with Iran...

Donald Trump is always going off on these Iran rants...whats he aiming for ??...

It's worth noting that Gen Mattis holds a long grudge against Iran. So much that the Obama admin "did not place much trust in Mattis, because he was perceived to be too eager for a military confrontation with Iran."

Personally I hate Iran because holding any other view towards the country means you're an anti-Semite. And I could never be an anti-Semite because my girlfriend is Jewish. I love Israel. All they do is try to do things correctly and peacefully but these goddamn archaic ragheads won't let them alone and let them be! Honestly Netanyahu is my hero tbh, I have his poster on my wall.

=/

Khrz

02-12-2017, 11:15 AM

A lot of Jews consider Netanyahu to be the lesser of evils, but not much else than a dangerous asshole...

hellospaceboy

02-12-2017, 11:22 AM

Personally I hate Iran because holding any other view towards the country means you're an anti-Semite. And I could never be an anti-Semite because my girlfriend is Jewish. I love Israel. All they do is try to do things correctly and peacefully but these goddamn archaic ragheads won't let them alone and let them be! Honestly Netanyahu is my hero tbh, I have his poster on my wall.

=/

This might be a stupid question, but... are you being sarcastic? You are, right?!

Louie_Cypher

02-12-2017, 11:36 AM

i finally figured it out, it wasn't make america great again it was make SNL funny again, ok all is right again
thanks trump!
-louie

Harry Seaward

02-12-2017, 12:00 PM

This might be a stupid question, but... are you being sarcastic? You are, right?!

Yes.

Jinsai

02-12-2017, 01:55 PM

I want to throw a chair at Stephen Miller, the smug little prick.

He's like Doug Neidermeyer in "Animal House."

The press is having a glorious field day with his ass though, so I doubt we'll be hearing too much from him in the future.

"For the record, you have provided zero evidence that the president was the victim of massive voter fraud in New Hampshire," Stephanopoulos said at the end of the interview. "You have provided zero evidence of the president's claim that he would have won the popular vote if 3-to-5 million illegal immigrants hadn't voted. Zero evidence for either one of those claims. Thanks a lot of joining us this morning."

allegro

02-12-2017, 03:02 PM

The press is having a glorious field day with his ass though, so I doubt we'll be hearing too much from him in the future.

"For the record, you have provided zero evidence that the president was the victim of massive voter fraud in New Hampshire," Stephanopoulos said at the end of the interview. "You have provided zero evidence of the president's claim that he would have won the popular vote if 3-to-5 million illegal immigrants hadn't voted. Zero evidence for either one of those claims. Thanks a lot of joining us this morning."

THAT INTERVIEW (with Stephanopoulos) this morning is what made me want to hurl a chair at Miller's head. He had just spewed the pompous non-fact racist fear-inducing drum-beating shit on "Meet the Press" and then continued his shit-spewing on Stephanopoulos' show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9wo9DAVtko

"Ask anybody in New Hampshire" ISN'T EVIDENCE!!!

THAT'S FUCKING HEARSAY, THATS NOT FACT, YOU FUCKING MORON.

allegro

02-12-2017, 03:07 PM

Here's the asshole on "Meet the Press"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHiHuTmxxgI

Miller blatantly (and stupidly) claims that the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act HAS POWER OVER the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act, even though the NEWER Act specifically REMOVES the discrimination aspects of the 1952 Act. Any new law SUPERCEDES the old law. HE'S NOT IN LAW, HE'S A FUCKING MORON.

Then he goes on and on and on about "criminals" right now being deported to "save the lives" of U.S. Citizens, who "pose a threat to public safety." So, that mother in California who committed the offense of fabricating a Social Security Number in order to get a job and was deported back to Mexico the other day was a 'THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY?" WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU, YOU FUCKING RACIST PIECE OF SHIT! GO CRAWL BACK INTO YOUR WHITE SUPREMACIST HOLE!

allegro

02-12-2017, 03:30 PM

Meanwhile, God bless Senator Bernie Sanders, who was ALSO on "Meet the Press" this morning and called Trump a "pathological liar."

Washington Post article HERE (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/02/12/bernie-sanders-calls-trump-a-pathological-liar-al-franken-says-a-few-republicans-think-trump-is-mentally-ill/?utm_term=.993ec20ac89b): Sen. Al Franken also says that a few Republicans are questioning Trump's metal health.

GEE, YA THINK??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EfdtDVJlzY

I don't think that Sen. Sanders fully understood Chuck's question about the recent protests and activism being similar to the Tea Party activism in 2009; Sanders dismisses it, saying the 2009 Tea Party movement was funded by the Koch brothers, but he misses the connection to the two movements: PISSED-OFF PEOPLE. The Tea Party movement resulted in the WIDESPREAD nomination of Republicans, to the point where they now control TWO-THIRDS of all forms of government in the U.S.

The 2009 Tea Party activists were PROTESTING OBAMA and his policies.

The 2017 activists are PROTESTING TRUMP and his policies.

Jinsai

02-12-2017, 03:32 PM

and god, that dulled expression on his face... he looks like a fucking mannequin in a k-hole

allegro

02-12-2017, 03:39 PM

He's such a snotty loudmouthed prick, I just wanna throw a bag of crap at him.

theimage13

02-12-2017, 03:49 PM

implanted_microchip

02-12-2017, 04:21 PM

theimage13 ultimately what it comes down to is the fact that Trump won a very narrow victory all around that was mostly tied together in the final hours and played the electoral numbers game to succeed. The Clinton campaign treated the Blue Wall as impenetrable and didn't put the work into many guaranteed-blue states that they should have, leading to Trump being able to swoop in and claim them as his own by campaigning like a motherfucker in person all of the time rather than just sending out surrogates all of the time.

Had Hillary's camp not tried to flip hard-red states blue and instead maintained their surefire bets that they ended up losing, they easily could have won. Hell, had the election been held just a few weeks earlier than it was, right when that Access Hollywood tape was at its heights, she would have won. It was incredibly close in a lot of areas that ultimately flipped to him thanks to winner-take-all. There were just so many variables at work and so many different scandals going on at any given time that pushed numbers in either direction for both candidates so often that to pin it all on any one thing is way too reductive to lead to any healthy, good discussion.

A lot of people could have beaten Trump, Hillary being one of them, and I believe that Bernie could have, too, but he also could have lost. We will never actually know. We will never actually know what his campaign's strategy would have been; we will never actually know how his ground game would have been run -- could it have led to a grassroots reawakening full of youthful and energized newcomers and aging idealists, or would it have been led by a bunch of inexperienced college kids with no idea how to actually keep the wheels turning?

I do believe that he would have put the necessary time into places like Michigan and appealed a lot harder to the working class white voter, and that would have made the race far more competitive in the end -- Hillary's campaign did a pretty decent job at first once the general began in trying to appeal to people, but then quickly got overconfident after the DNC's massive boost (and, to be fair, it was an enormous boost, especially since it had the luck of being able to immediately contrast the RNC's lunacy and cynicism) and became too reliant on identity politics.

I can easily say that Trump would have focused a lot on socialism as a boogeyman instead of emails. We would have seen a lot made out of his history of supporting radical movements and we would have seen a lot done to energize older voters who remember when socialism was the enemy culturally. I don't trust that Bernie would have been able to maintain his composure in the debates as well as Hillary did -- he's way too reactive and immediate, and while that may be seen as part of what people like about Trump, he lost every single debate enormously. The debates just did not matter like they once did. These were two candidates so polarizing that by the time they were happening, most people had made up their mind, and those who watched them undecided probably weren't compelled one way or another. The Comey letter had a big impact on that sliver of important voters, just as the Access Hollywood tape had mere weeks before.

I do believe Bernie would have made the race even more polarizing, if such a thing is even possible. Hillary was a center-left moderate and Trump was a mercurial far-right authoritarian. Bernie is a hard-left progressive on basically everything except for guns. If the right was able to behave as though Hillary was some crazy left wing lunatic, can you imagine where they would have taken it with Bernie? We would have seen so much Stalin shit just like we saw so much Hitler shit towards Trump, accurate or not.

The genuinely interesting conversation to me though is what a Clinton-Sanders ticket could have accomplished. We know from leaks that he was in the final running for VP choices and I am confident he would have accepted it. I totally think that would have won. Sanders could have helped Hillary pull in some of those more fundamentalist Democrats that were throwing fits about a moderate just like Pence helped Trump pull in a lot of the more traditional conservatives who were throwing fits about a maniac.

Jinsai

02-12-2017, 04:49 PM

He's such a snotty loudmouthed prick, I just wanna throw a bag of crap at him.

Meanwhile, in Trump's twitter bubble, he did a fantastic job... also, did you see the huge crowds of supporters that just love me in Florida? Why isn't the unfair news media reporting on how much people loved me today? Isn't that the job of the press? FAKE NEWS!

While back in the real world, the totally biased and unfair news is more concerned about Flynn's Russia scandal... so unfair. SAD.

theimage13

02-12-2017, 04:50 PM

@theimage13 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=809) ultimately what it comes down to....

A simple "yes" or "no" would have been enough....

Just kidding. That's one of the most well thought-out and thorough responses I've seen here, and a hell of a lot more interesting to read than just "yeah he would've totally won" or "nah he woulda gotten his ass kicked". I'm not sure I share your certainty that a Clinton / Sanders ticket would have been a sure thing, especially since I'm not sure how much (if any) input he would have had on the overall direction of the campaign. The DNC seemed to have a very strong push for Clinton to get her way and just kind of push Sanders to the back, so even if he'd wound up with the VP nod, I'm not confident that the campaign would have given him much (if any) input.

thevoid99

02-12-2017, 04:50 PM

BTW, has anyone seen Jim Jeffries telling off Piers Morgan on Real Time with Bill Maher? Piers is a fucking moron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtDOqNlgoOE

onthewall2983

02-12-2017, 04:55 PM

He truly is, but I don't think that accomplished anything in terms of people taking Morgan less seriously. We already do. It seems like he exists to be a punching bag and somehow accepts it.

What would be satisfying is to see him yelling, ranting, raving and foaming at the mouth. It appears he didn't do any of that here.

thevoid99

02-12-2017, 05:01 PM

Seriously, give Melissa McCarthy an Emmy. She is fucking smacked-on as Sean Spicer in every fucking way....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbhz3XcNzGU

implanted_microchip

02-12-2017, 05:42 PM

I'm not sure I share your certainty that a Clinton / Sanders ticket would have been a sure thing, especially since I'm not sure how much (if any) input he would have had on the overall direction of the campaign. The DNC seemed to have a very strong push for Clinton to get her way and just kind of push Sanders to the back, so even if he'd wound up with the VP nod, I'm not confident that the campaign would have given him much (if any) input.

I shouldn't have said it would have been a certainty, but I do think it could have helped. There was a contingency of voters that never would have cared if he was with her because they're the kind that still go around calling he and Warren "sell-outs" for endorsing her (you know, as opposed to sitting back silently with Trump as the alternative or something), but I do think a lot of younger college-age white guys might have been more willing to fill in that bubble had Bernie's name been there. Kaine didn't really add much at all, and while I ultimately like the guy (I even went to one of his campaign stops and met him in Orlando), I don't think he did much to add any big boost to the validity of the ticket. VPs should help appeal to a group that the main person doesn't have as deep an in with, and I think someone who was more on the further end of the progressive spectrum would have been an edge in a race where every edge counted.

allegro

02-12-2017, 06:22 PM

Remember when there was that tiny little glimmer of hope that maybe Sanders could actually get the Democratic nod?

Try to answer this from the headspace of September or October of last year: realistically speaking, do you think he would he have beaten 45? Or do you think the whole "blah blah blah I hate socialists blah blah blah" refrain would've left us in the same position we're in anyway?

No.

And in my opinion the reason why is because he got far less votes than Clinton in the primary, indicating his lack of support from minorities and the mainstream liberals; certainly not enough support to beat Trump. Clinton got far more votes in the primary and even SHE failed in three of the key Rust Belt states. Sanders' comment about slavery reparations negatively affected him with black voters (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bernie-sanders-reparations/424602/) (he could have done far better by equivocating), and his comment about "no white ghettos" (while he was standing in one in Flint, MI) alienated lots of unemployed white working class people who DO live in "ghettos" and elsewhere, but particular those voters in the Rust Belt who feel disenfranchised. The ghetto comment affected black voters, too. (http://verysmartbrothas.com/maybe-black-people-arent-feeling-bernie-sanders-because-were-tired-of-people-saying-we-should-be/)

DNC shenanigans can't and don't control votes.

Louie_Cypher

02-12-2017, 08:10 PM

No.

And in my opinion the reason why is because he got far less votes than Clinton in the primary, indicating his lack of support from minorities and the mainstream liberals; certainly not enough support to beat Trump. Clinton got far more votes in the primary and even SHE failed in three of the key Rust Belt states. Sanders' comment about slavery reparations negatively affected him with black voters (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bernie-sanders-reparations/424602/) (he could have done far better by equivocating), and his comment about "no white ghettos" (while he was standing in one in Flint, MI) alienated lots of unemployed white working class people who DO live in "ghettos" and elsewhere, but particular those voters in the Rust Belt who feel disenfranchised. The ghetto comment affected black voters, too. (http://verysmartbrothas.com/maybe-black-people-arent-feeling-bernie-sanders-because-were-tired-of-people-saying-we-should-be/)

DNC shenanigans can't and don't control votes.
again i would rwcomend http://www.audible.com/pd/Nonfiction/Insane-Clown-President-Audiobook/B01MR4OHYZ?mkwid=DSATitle_dc&pcrid=158258695650&pmt=b&pkw=_intitle%3Aaudiobook&source_code=GO1GB907OSH060513&cvosrc=ppc%20dynamic%20search.google.97175169&cvo_crid=158258695650&cvo_pid=5075902449&gclid=CjwKEAiArIDFBRCe_9DJi6Or0UcSJAAK1nFv-fnQEfRTXSGlguRLaECGuhoNZhylkK8XVPP3RaEwlRoCVHbw_wc B, he goes into detail on this how clinton went into hiding "prepping for the debates", and how bernie came across as an angry old man, distancing themselves from Obama and his accomplishments, taking the youth and minority votes for granted, thanks DNC.
-louie

allegro

02-12-2017, 09:39 PM

Haaaaaa ha ha!!! Ugh

https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/830862994917650432

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bq0wvrKIgAAAnTw.png:large

RESIST

Jinsai

02-12-2017, 10:59 PM

Goebbels knew what he was doing, and so does Bannon. The constant endless parade of lies is intentional. Eventually, people are going to be so exasperated and exhausted by all the fucking lying, that they'll just accept it.

Jinsai

02-13-2017, 12:32 AM

Trump screwed up passing on this band for the inaugural celebration blast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CopDK_jI6DI&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

EDIT: holy shit, John Oliver killed it tonight

theimage13

02-13-2017, 07:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xecEV4dSAXE

hellospaceboy

02-13-2017, 08:21 AM

Ok, this might be slightly off topic (although not really)...

Last Friday, after living here for 15 years, I became a United States citizen! The first thing I did (after getting lunch) was to register to vote. I am now officially a registered Democrat!!!

I will be honest, I applied for the citizenship at the beginning of 2016 so I could vote against Trump. Clearly I wasn't the only eligible immigrant who felt this way because the process took about twice as long as it did for my sister three years ago... I'm sure the system was flooded. It is what it is. It didn't happen before the elections. It happened now.

I had my citizenship test the Monday after the Muslim ban executive order was signed, and as my fellow green card holders were still detained at the border. It was strange... I felt conflicted, and a bit saddened that what should've been a celebration of my journey was tainted by politics. Yet, I couldn't NOT feel it.

I was talking to a friend at work who said something really powerful. I was venting my frustration (and even hesitation, tbh) to him, and the next day he came in to work to tell me that "years from now you will look back and say: I became a citizen at the most crucial moment, when it made the most difference".

I will forever be grateful for his words. I went into my oath with a clear conscious and happy and ready to celebrate.

theimage13

02-13-2017, 09:37 AM

The first thing I did (after getting lunch) was to register to vote.

Woah, woah, woah - you put THE ALMIGHTY GODLIKE AUTHORITY TO VOTE (WHICH IS WHY AMERICA IS THE BEST) as a lower priority than lunch? Get out.

I kid, I kid. While I can't say I've ever been in your shoes, I feel like I do understand why you felt the way you did. I'm glad to hear that your friend was able to help get you in a more positive place. Now get out there and celebrate!! Congrats on the achievement.

Deepvoid

02-13-2017, 02:53 PM

Not that I wanna brag about our PM but the contrast is stark with Trump. Trudeau was articulate, responded directly to questions most of the time and ultimately, looked like a state leader.
Trump looked bored, uninterested and provided answers that were off-topic. He look so out of place, there's no way this guy is a happy camper.

A journalist from Quebec asked what impact the renegotiation of NAFTA would have on Canada and potential jobs because so far Trump had spent the majority of his time focusing on the Mexico/US part of NAFTA.
Trump's answer was that Ford and GM would be investing in the US instead of Mexico. Thanks for the clarification Mr. Trump.

Dra508

02-13-2017, 05:09 PM

^^^^ I just saw a snippet of that press conference. Oy veh. Trump relies on superlatives when he has horse shit to say. Tremendous-very- bad- sad. Bigly. Ohmahgawd he is sooo strange.

allegro

02-13-2017, 05:16 PM

cynicmuse

02-13-2017, 06:10 PM

So there's apparently an open air "situation room" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/13/trump-ran-a-campaign-based-on-intelligence-security-thats-not-how-hes-governing/) in Mar-a-Lago now. Meanwhile, the official photographer for the Obama administration is posting a photo (https://www.instagram.com/p/BQd5lB7hNK1/) of the tent where classified discussions were held while Obama was away from the White House.

Khrz

02-13-2017, 06:15 PM

With documents lit by unprotected cellphone flashlights.

Not to go hyperbolic but you might a well post that stuff straight to instagram...

Dra508

02-13-2017, 07:27 PM

AAAAAAAND spoke in both English and French.

The handshake heard round the world...

http://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-handshake-trudeau

Deepvoid

02-13-2017, 08:59 PM

The handshake heard round the world...

http://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-handshake-trudeau

I would bet the farm that Trudeau was coached. He was ready for it that's for sure.

implanted_microchip

02-13-2017, 10:16 PM

Michael Flynn has resigned

Piko

02-13-2017, 10:18 PM

Michael Flynn has resigned
Probably not the end of the story.

theimage13

02-14-2017, 06:07 AM

Michael Flynn has resigned

Now if only we could get Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, and Mike Pence to follow suit.

sentient

02-14-2017, 07:34 AM

Michael Flynn has resigned

...so he can more easily go to prison.

Louie_Cypher

02-14-2017, 09:23 AM

I think we have more to fear from trump than we do any muslims, can we ban him?
-louie

Lew

02-14-2017, 11:01 AM

Louie_Cypher

02-14-2017, 11:57 AM

kellyanne conway emphasis on the con is like some weird combo of hanoi jane and tokyo rose i call her washington rose-jane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-7fzHy3aG0
-louie

allegro

02-14-2017, 12:15 PM

kellyanne conway emphasis on the con is like some weird combo of hanoi jane and tokyo rose i call her washington rose-jane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-7fzHy3aG0
-louie

i actually like Jane Fonda; her point at the time was that we were killing people as our "enemy" who were only fighting for their own convictions that we believed were "wrong" based on pushing our own ideology. Maybe she was misguided in sitting on a tank for photos, but her message was legit, unlike Conway who is only a bullshit-spinner for a bullshit artist, spinning propaganda (yes, like Toyko Rose).

That video ^^ is a brilliant analysis, though. Awesome.

Deepvoid

02-14-2017, 01:42 PM

I thought I was still watching Melissa McCarthy.

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/831578665100013568

Also: ".@PressSec (https://twitter.com/PressSec) on Flynn misleading Pence & others: "I don't know that it was intentional he may have just forgotten.""

These people are making shit up on the fly.
Conway was fucking demolished by Matt Lauer this morning. She looked so tired and just about ready to give up.

allegro

02-14-2017, 02:03 PM

Also: ".@PressSec (https://twitter.com/PressSec) on Flynn misleading Pence & others: "I don't know that it was intentional he may have just forgotten.""
i was watching MSNBC late last night, I guess the fucking FBI was wiretapping the whole phone conversation so that's a lot of why they know what they know; they were spying on the Russian Ambassador and the NSA was processing all of the data.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/02/national-security-adviser-michael-flynn-resigns.html

For weeks Flynn has insisted that he didn’t discuss anything of substance in his conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, which occurred as the Obama administration was imposing sanctions on Russia over the country’s alleged election meddling. It’s a breach of protocol for a member of the transition to discuss policy with a foreign government, and it may be illegal. Pence repeated Flynn’s denial on Face the Nation days before the inauguration, and in his first White House briefing Press Secretary Sean Spicer said sanctions never came up.

However, the call was captured as part of a routine wiretap of Kislyak’s communications, and last week nine current and former U.S. officials told the Washington Post that transcripts show Flynn made explicit references to election-related sanctions. Flynn walked back his previous denial and, by Monday afternoon, his future in the administration was uncertain — so much so that Kellyanne Conway said on MSNBC that Flynn had the “full confidence” of President Trump just before Spicer said the president was “evaluating the situation.”

Then, around 9 p.m., there were two new bombshells. The Post reported that last month acting attorney general Sally Yates told the Trump White House that Flynn had misled them about the calls, and was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail. In the final days of the Obama administration Yates conferred with James Clapper, the director of National Intelligence at the time, and John Brennan, who was then CIA director, and they agreed that they should share their concerns about Flynn with the Trump administration.

Yates informed White House counsel Donald McGahn, but it’s unclear what he did with the information. She was later fired for defying Trump’s executive order on immigration. A source tells Politico her briefing on Flynn did not play a role in her dismissal.

Meanwhile, the New York Times reported that the Army has been investigating whether Flynn received money from the Russian government during a trip to Moscow in 2015, which may violate the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. As reported last month, U.S. intelligence agencies were already looking at Flynn’s communications as part of an investigation into Russia’s attempts to influence the U.S. election.

While Flynn received a security briefing from the Defense Intelligence Agency before his trip to Russia, defense officials said he may not have filed the required paperwork. They were reportedly surprised when video surfaced of Flynn seated next to Russian president Vladimir Putin at a dinner honoring RT, the state-run Russian news organization. As TPM notes, Flynn has publicly admitted that he was paid to speak at the event.

Kodiak33

02-14-2017, 03:12 PM

What a fucking traitor...seriously.

Deepvoid

02-14-2017, 03:19 PM

The administration is getting grilled left and right and the word appears to be "we have to move on".

Rand Paul said it made no sense to investigate its own party.
Chaffetz said the house committee would not launch an investigation with regard to Flynn

Meanwhile, Spicer is taking questions from Breitbart and The Gateway Pundit. Seriously ...

Louie_Cypher

02-14-2017, 03:31 PM

this shit is scary https://twitter.com/ trump get security briefing in club.
-louie

Deepvoid

02-14-2017, 03:34 PM

Just when you think things couldn't get any fucking weirder.

Moby claims to have evidence that Trump is being blackmailed by the Russians. (http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/celebrity/moby-claims-to-know-donald-trump-is-being-blackmailed-by-russian-government/ar-AAmUdh3)

Sutekh

02-14-2017, 04:38 PM

This isn't even him doing right wing things I can't handle as a liberal anymore... this is incompetence and treachery! I am amazed at the lack of critical voices on the right - I thought it was just the left who had forgotten what they stood for

onthewall2983

02-14-2017, 05:05 PM

We could possibly live in a world where Eminem could declare Moby a national hero. Let that sink in for a bit.

Exocet

02-14-2017, 05:23 PM

Just so everybody knows...the next big war will be in Ukraine....a big country of 45 Million people...big population by world standards...

That's the same population of Spain...

You know like England and Wales..Russia see's Ukraine as its Wales...not a real country...

It gonna kick off big time...its been quiet recently...Russia will never let go of Ukraine...some of Ukraine wants to leave..it will be like the Yugoslav wars....

Sutekh

02-14-2017, 06:46 PM

Moldova has also received alert notices and requested NATO troops for its borders

Meanwhile US conservatives are seemingly oblivious and too busy shouting "in your face, liberals!" on facebook, even though their president is the biggest security risk of any president ever

allegro

02-14-2017, 07:27 PM

I think all this Trump corruption shit, which Republicans are refusing to investigate, is going to blow up by way of the midterms. And Dems can take control of Congress and formally investigate and it'll bring Trump's whole house of cards down.

Or, sooner if somebody forks over money to a Rusky for dirt.

sentient

02-14-2017, 07:45 PM

Expecting a yuge effort at a diversion story to happen "soon".

theimage13

02-14-2017, 08:24 PM

I think all this Trump corruption shit, which Republicans are refusing to investigate, is going to blow up by way of the midterms. And Dems can take control of Congress and formally investigate and it'll bring Trump's whole house of cards down.

What scares me though is the amount of damage that can be done before then, from domestic issues like defunding science and giving the finger to civil rights, to international war mongering.

Louie_Cypher

02-14-2017, 08:25 PM

I think the pendulums will swing again jobs market is not any better middle class is not any better and trump ridiculous campaign promises and with duffass at the helm we are bound for an iceberg I just hope not too many are hurt, midterms will be brutal
-louie

Louie_Cypher

02-14-2017, 08:32 PM

Expecting a yuge effort at a diversion story to happen "soon". I think more and more people are starting to "smell the coffee" iIwant to put RATMs Wake-up on 11
-louie

Dream

02-14-2017, 08:34 PM

Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

Donald J. Trump (http://www.nytimes.com/topic/person/donald-trump?inline=nyt-per)’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/...ications-trump.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur)

Jinsai

02-14-2017, 10:13 PM

so Trump's twitter accounts have unfollowed Kellyanne Conway...
Thank god I don't have to see that person or hear her smile and lie constantly anymore.

On to the next slice of fresh hell...

allegro

02-14-2017, 10:17 PM

What scares me though is the amount of damage that can be done before then, from domestic issues like defunding science and giving the finger to civil rights, to international war mongering.

It will all assist the fall.

allegro

02-14-2017, 10:35 PM

I guess the Twitter Trump / Conway thing may not be true.

I love how Twitter is calling her "Propaganda Barbie."

Jinsai

02-14-2017, 10:53 PM

baudolino

02-15-2017, 03:53 AM

I looked and I swear it wasn't there, and now it is
Who knows though... this is the strangest moment of political engagement I've ever seen.

Can the president PLEASE start talking to the public via press statements again instead of fucking Twitter?

of course he won't abstain from twitter voluntarily. it is just too convenient. Every tweet that hasn't the desired effect was a hack. see conway (uh-oh maybe that was just a spin too to make him stop twittering).

hellospaceboy

02-15-2017, 06:30 AM

Every tweet that hasn't the desired effect was a hack.

And that is, honestly, the biggest security threat we have right now. The president is tweeting policy opinions and it is, at this point, an official channel of communication from the white house...

We know for a fact that hackers can take over accounts, and all it takes is a 3am tweet that says "Hey China, enjoy the nukes I just launched. America first!" for a serious international crisis to emerge (if not war). Foreign leaders know that Trump's behaviour is erratic and they would consider a tweet like this "possibly real" the least.

So yeah. All those assholes who were so upset about Hillary's unsecure email servers but are silent on Trump's twitter account can fuck themselves...

theimage13

02-15-2017, 09:06 AM

I guess the Twitter Trump / Conway thing may not be true.

The what? What did I miss by having old man bedtime hours?

Sutekh

02-15-2017, 09:28 AM

I just thank God trump doesn't drink

theimage13

02-15-2017, 09:49 AM

I just thank God trump doesn't drink

I wish he did. Couple the stress of the job and his age with alcohol and he'd probably be out of the office sooner.

allegro

02-15-2017, 09:53 AM

The what? What did I miss by having old man bedtime hours?

See this. (https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/no-trump-did-not-unfollow-kellyanne-conway-on-twitter) It generated about 2,000 stories last night.

Jinsai

02-15-2017, 12:04 PM

I just thank God trump doesn't drink

Wait... you believe things he says?

Besides, his puppet master looks like he's put in some rounds with the bottle

See this. (https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/no-trump-did-not-unfollow-kellyanne-conway-on-twitter) It generated about 2,000 stories last night.

Ah, that explains it. I saw someone post about how he'd stopped following Conway... so I went and checked and she wasn't there. Then, a little bit later, she is. I swear, and I'm going to sound like a conspiracy theorist at this point, but this is probably a strategic move by Bannon to make everyone paying close attention feel like nothing is real and we're all losing our minds.

Swykk

02-15-2017, 01:52 PM

Puzder is out. Was he really worse than DeVos and Sessions? The whole thing is a shit show.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/trump-labor-secretary-pick-andy-puzder-withdraws-his-nomination/

Jinsai

02-15-2017, 02:37 PM

Puzder is out. Was he really worse than DeVos and Sessions? The whole thing is a shit show.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/trump-labor-secretary-pick-andy-puzder-withdraws-his-nomination/

Sort of an ironic twist that a guy accused of beating his wife said he's "tired of the abuse" that accompanies becoming a public figure. Maybe he's also "tired" of people targeting Carls Jr by affiliation, and mocking the ridiculous ads they run where women fuck cheeseburgers.

elevenism

02-15-2017, 03:50 PM

i am still avoiding all of this.
it still does not compute for me.
it does not seem real.
how is this really happening?
i can't even fucking watch.

Louie_Cypher

02-15-2017, 04:55 PM

I think we can all agree trump is a tiny-handed whiney little bitch
-louie

allegro

02-15-2017, 06:38 PM

I was watching "The View" this morning and the woman on the panel who's an attorney, I can't remember her name, said blaming the leaks is akin to blaming the surveillance camera for getting arrested for robbery.

Plus, there's this (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/300327-trump-i-love-wikileaks).

sick among the pure

02-15-2017, 09:06 PM

allegro

02-15-2017, 09:16 PM

For those of you who may know, I have a hypothetical question I've been pondering all day since this whole thing keeps snowballing.

Let's say the whole thing bursts open, they find out Trump's team worked together with Russia, all the bad things that were rumored were true, treason and the whole 9 yards. Trump is impeached (and perhaps jailed). Pence was in on it at least so far as to try to cover things up and is gone too.
How far would things go? Who all would be removed? Would cabinet picks be removed? Supreme Court judge (if there were one nominated by Trump and voted in)? Other government agencies that have been affected, would any of that change? People who were replaced by Trump? EOs written removed? Laws he basically scrapped re-instated? How much of the administrative changes that have been made would be un-done if they both were removed from office?

I'm not saying I think any of this will happen, just curious what would happen to everything that has changed since his inauguration if this blows wide open and takes a bunch of them out.

If Trump and Pence were somehow both impeached, the next highest position would become President: Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House

If the SCOTUS choice had not yet been confirmed, then it's likely that Ryan would then nominate the same nominee or somebody new. But if the confirmation had already happened, things stay the same.

Cabinet appointments would be up to the new President.

When Clinton was impeached and when Nixon resigned, all of their EOs remained in place.

The next Dem President would likely undo a lot of the EOs by issuing replacements, this happens all the time. Those are the only laws that are directly affected by a President. The President doesn't generally legislate, has very limited legislation powers.

sweeterthan

02-15-2017, 09:19 PM

There's no way in hell this would happen but I wish they'd just turn it over to Hilary and we could pretend this never happened.

I watch MSNBC sometimes and lately there's a commercial about Gorsh needing to be confirmed. It's like a campaign commercial for a Supreme Court judge. It tells you to call your senator and encourage them to confirm him. Is this weird? Did I miss the garland commercials?

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allegro

02-15-2017, 09:22 PM

allegro

02-16-2017, 05:47 AM

Love it.

A few months ago Dems were screaming that the leaks were coming from Russia to try and ignore the contents. Now, the Trump supporters are screaming that the leaks are from the NSA to try and ignore the contents.

Complete role reversal and everyone is a hypocrite as usual.... Except for the people who consistently said that both the leak and leaker are separate stories that are worth covering. *waives hand*

I had said it that if Hillary or the DNC had not DONE anything worth leaking, there would be no news; but I don't break my fucking arm patting myself on the back like you do.

The fact that Russia is involved IS a big part of the narrative, though. It's not unimportant. The Dems (a lot, not all) merely thought the subjects of the leaks weren't important. You were siding with Trump, saying it might not be Russia, there's no proof it's Russia, etc. The very last bit that hurt the Dems was delivered by the FBI, because Comey thought the public "needed to know." Now it ends up that the FBI knew that Flynn discussed sanctions with Russia, but the FBI said nothing.

THIS (https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html%3Famp%3D1?client=safari) never made much news, either.

Anyway, the key issue in the CURRENT matter is that Flynn lied to Pence, leaving Pence relying on false info. How we found OUT that he lied (leaks) doesn't negate the deception.

Leaks aren't going away. (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/us/politics/leaks-donald-trump.html)

implanted_microchip

02-16-2017, 08:49 AM

Internal whistleblowers and leaks are not even remotely comparable to an adversarial foreign superpower attempting to sway the outcome of our elections while potentially colluding with the campaign of one of the two major candidates. If you want to act like they are then you're either a contrarian asshole or a total idiot.

allegro

02-16-2017, 12:33 PM

Listening to Trump on TV, what a fucking moron.

He received "the most Electoral votes since Reagan."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_El ectoral_College_margin

Obama received 332 Electoral Votes in 2012, and 365 Electoral Votes in 2008. Bill Clinton received 370 in 1996. George HW Bush received 426 in 1988.

implanted_microchip

02-16-2017, 12:35 PM

allegro a reporter refuted that directly and Trump just talked over him and moved on to another question. This is such an embarrassment

Deepvoid

02-16-2017, 12:36 PM

allegro

02-16-2017, 12:37 PM

"Nobody mentions that Hillary was provided with questions for the debates. NOBODY mentions is."

Ummmmmmm .. wake up, you senile old fucker (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=donna+brazile+cnn+questions).

allegro

02-16-2017, 12:42 PM

Now he's plugging "Fox & Friends."

And talking about what network gets good ratings.

WHAT THE FUCK?!?!

I agree that the press is manipulative. But, just as much manipulation is coming from the Conservative press.

Like, all this shit I'm seeing tweeted about THIS (http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/02/15/flashback-reports-obamas-2008-campaign-reps-secretly-talked-hamas-iran/).

Google it (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=obama+William+G.+Miller+Iran): 800 hits, but NONE from mainstream reporting, and ALL from those typical right-wing nutcase sources. So, is the "truth" being hidden? Or, is it just a bunch of shit? I tried researching it, tried finding out, and there is no unbiased source, no source other than what I consider to be biased right reports, saying anything about this. Not even Al Jazeera, nothing.

Lew

02-16-2017, 12:47 PM

Now he's plugging "Fox & Friends."

And talking about what network gets good ratings.

WHAT THE FUCK?!?!

literally:as
a reality show host, what else what he be interested in discussing? his idea of merit is just that. ratings.ugh.

you have a strong constitution allegro...i can't turn the tv on anymore...i would have had to replace it a thousand times over by now.
(not that i can escape anything, though. husband and friends and family want to talk about it all the time. don't blame them. but at least i don't have to hear his voice or see his face when the latest bumper crop of trumpery gets harvested.)

allegro

02-16-2017, 12:52 PM

literally:as
a reality show host, what else what he be interested in discussing? his idea of merit is just that. ratings.ugh.

you have a strong constitution allegro...i can't turn the tv on anymore...i would have had to replace it a thousand times over by now.
(not that i can escape anything, though. husband and friends and family want to talk about it all the time. don't blame them. but at least i don't have to hear his voice or see his face when the latest bumper crop of trumpery gets harvested.)

I'm fascinated. This is historic. It's like watching a car go off a cliff in slow motion. He goes around in circles, he can't remember the question, he interrupts himself with jokes and nonsense, he's still doing campaign rhetoric and the election three months ago, it's non-stop entertainment.

Like "Hillary gave away uranium!!" Dude, go Snopes the fucking thing, seriously (http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/).

Now he's comparing the fucking BBC to CNN, "unfair."

Deepvoid

02-16-2017, 12:54 PM

The Russian issues are Hillary's fault because she lost the election.

Khrz

02-16-2017, 12:56 PM

I'm fascinated. This is historic. It's like watching a car go off a cliff in slow motion. He goes around in circles, he can't remember the question, he interrupts himself with jokes and nonsense, he's still doing campaign rhetoric and the election three months ago, it's non-stop entertainment.

And his sources are literally twitter accounts who agree with shit that he said which he copied from their accounts... There's echo chamber, and then there's Ouroboros...

allegro

02-16-2017, 12:58 PM

He cuts all of the reporters off.

He's now saying a ton of stuff about Russia. What he "never" did, etc. Let's see if this bites him on the ass. His lawyer would be telling him to shut up right now.

"I am the least antisemitic person you've EVER seen IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE."

So now he knows about all of our lives, who we know, our own views, etc.

Lew

02-16-2017, 01:00 PM

The Russian issues are Hillary's fault because she lost the election.

also, please, for the love of the children and innocence and all that is holy: do NOT forget those emails.

Lew

02-16-2017, 01:03 PM

He cuts all of the reporters off.

He's now saying a ton of stuff about Russia. What he "never" did, etc. Let's see if this bites him on the ass. His lawyer would be telling him to shut up right now.

in all honesty: do you think anyone has been able to successfully get him to shut up? i genuinely wonder if he is surrounded by a sea of bobbing heads "ayep ayep ayep". do you think his lawyer would even try?

if i didn't know better, i would say the world is being trolled. fuck, i WANT this to be trolling. like some super intricate punk'd episode. then we all high five him "wow, dude, that was stellar" and then we get back to the business of trying to be better humans, collectively.

Louie_Cypher

02-16-2017, 02:01 PM

people don't seem to understand he is mirroring Putain shutting out the press and blaming them for his inaptitude
-louie

theimage13

02-16-2017, 02:02 PM

I'm fascinated. This is historic. It's like watching a car go off a cliff in slow motion.

I agree - except when I see the car, I see a literal toddler sitting in the driver's seat, totally decked out in child-size NASCAR clothes and genuinely thinking that he's a race car driver - all while he can't even reach the fucking breaks OR the steering wheel. Nearby, there's a whole department of cops who could lay out spike strips or put their cars out to stop the car from going over, and millions upon millions of people are screaming at them to do something, but they're all just watching the car like "no way, that toddler is cute, don't crush his dreams!"

Meanwhile, tied up in the backseat of the car, which has TARDIS-like dimensional properties, is every single person who I've ever cared for. And they're all about to be taken over the cliff by the delusional toddler. I can't watch the car. I have to turn away and pray that someone finally stops it.

marodi

02-16-2017, 02:04 PM

also, please, for the love of the children and innocence and all that is holy: do NOT forget those emails.

But... but... Benghazi! NEVER FORGET BENGHAZI!!!

I really wish he was trolling too, it would be less scary if he was. I don't know if he's an uber moron or if he's totally delusional.

I was channel surfing between this and a Mayday episode about Korean Air Lines Flight 007 and I was thinking "Sweet Jesus, if if had been 45 instead of Reagan..." I didn't went further because I intend to sleep tonight.

implanted_microchip

02-16-2017, 02:05 PM

@Lew (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=473) for a period of time during the campaign Kellyanne did get him to back away from certain subjects at times and he complimented her heavily as the only person in his campaign willing to truly stand up to him and not care if he got angry because later on, he'd realize her judgment had been right. Obviously, she's not exactly the golden child for him anymore, and I think now that he's president (typing that gave me colon cancer btw), he probably is impossible to say no to without him throwing a goddamn hissy fit of Biblical proportions. If he already had an ego and a sense of "I can do no wrong," imagine what that's like now.

In my opinion all that he is currently doing is diversion tactics. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Bannon and Priebus both felt a long, meandering battle with the press would be good for him today. It's a way of getting the conversation to move past Flynn and the Russia connections and when you view it along with him about to begin fucking campaigning here in Florida again, it's pretty clear that they're doing their best to distract. Trump's biggest advantage in all of his shittiness is that it clogs so many toilets with so many dumps all at once that it becomes impossible for the janitors to get up in arms and focus on any one specific piece of shit; they're flooded with all kinds of it, and many may never even know of some because they're so overwhelmed by others. Having him out there right now going on and on and on and battling with reporters and rambling about the Electoral College is good for his administration in so much as it keeps the attention away from the real scandals.
marodi yeah isn't it awesome that the guy who launched a shitton of Benghazi investigations again and again and again refuses to investigate Flynn even once? Not party over country at all.

allegro

02-16-2017, 02:33 PM

Meanwhile, tied up in the backseat of the car, which has TARDIS-like dimensional properties, is every single person who I've ever cared for. And they're all about to be taken over the cliff by the delusional toddler. I can't watch the car. I have to turn away and pray that someone finally stops it.
My husband says the same thing, but I always say this: Karma is a bitch. And the American system will prevail. It may be a slower process than people want, but GOOD things most often come out of political turmoil like this.

allegro

02-16-2017, 02:36 PM

theimage13

02-16-2017, 02:46 PM

My husband says the same thing, but I always say this: Karma is a bitch. And the American system will prevail. It may be a slower process than people want, but GOOD things most often come out of political turmoil like this.

I hope you're right. I really, truly do. But I'm a very anxious person by nature and no matter how much evidence I can find, I end up feeling like the hole will be so deep that we can't build a ladder tall enough to climb back out for decades, and it'll be too late for so many people by then. But like I said, maybe that's just the joy of anxiety.

allegate

02-16-2017, 02:53 PM

Jinsai

02-16-2017, 03:01 PM

implanted_microchip

02-16-2017, 03:21 PM

Wait... what? During the election, I was saying it was super fucked up that Russia was meddling, despite the contents of the leaked emails amounting to jack shit. Now, the president's team (at least) has been found colluding with Russia, and I think it's super fucked up. Why am I a hypocrite?

Because you're not a cliche internet Libertarian who will never have leaders they support whose actions they will then have to answer for because their people will never win, giving them clean records through inaction, obv.

sweeterthan

02-16-2017, 03:27 PM

http://huff.to/2kD47Ae

tldr
Trump: Hey black person. You know the other black people, right? Let's meet up!

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implanted_microchip

02-16-2017, 03:28 PM

http://huff.to/2kD47Ae

tldr
Trump: Hey black person. You know the other black people, right? Let's meet up!

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The CBC tweeting that they tried to arrange a meeting already and he never responded is icing on the racist cake

Lew

02-16-2017, 04:09 PM

when he is up there on tv outright lying...or just making empty grandiose statements...do his supporters just take it in, or do they stop and think "hold up. wait. what???".
the only trump supporter i know, personally, would definitely fall into the "take it in" and cheer the empty grandiose statement category.
anyone know any trump supporters that are at the "wtf???" stage?
the supporter i know is someone who loves, what they perceive as, his "strong, bold, straight" talk (yes, equal parts laughable and gutting)...so when he makes statements like "make america great again" this person doesn't have any need for an actual break down of what "great" is, and how that "great" is going to be achieved. the statement is the end of the line for this person.
i am asking because this is the only true trump supporter i know, and wondered if this holds true with trump supporters y'all know personally.
thanks.