David Bowie

[DF118]

I'd actually be okay with Kanye West album of Bowie covers, eventually. But yeah, he's a prick and this is a dick move so soon- tasteless and self-aggrandizing as all hell. Note- this the Mirror, so should largely be taken with a pinch of salt anyway.

[allegro]

Note- this the Mirror, so should largely be taken with a pinch of salt anyway.
Yeah, isn't that just above, like, the National Enquirer?

Anywayyyyy ...

Remembering how much Bowie loved the Arcade Fire ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6c9Ejfu-iU&app=desktop

[elevenism]

Rhett Miller, lead singer and songwriter for alt country legends Old 97's wrote this moving article about Bowie. (http://www.salon.com/2016/01/16/david_bowie_was_my_north_star_my_peace_and_escape_ was_in_his_music_especially_side_two_of_hunky_dory/)
It brought tears to my eyes.

edit: also, has anyone found a good blackstar hoodie?
i've only found one, and it looks kind of flimsy.

[elevenism]

sorry for double post, but i also found this really thought provoking article about Bowie and occult symbolism (and it's not the insane, satan runs the music industry stuff. this is actually pretty damn interesting and has quotes from the man himself on crowley, kabala, and the like)

http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/occult-universe-david-bowie-meaning-blackstar/

[allegro]

sorry for double post, but i also found this really thought provoking article about Bowie and occult symbolism (and it's not the insane, satan runs the music industry stuff. this is actually pretty damn interesting and has quotes from the man himself on crowley, kabala, and the like)

http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/occult-universe-david-bowie-meaning-blackstar/

Already posted (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/590-David-Bowie?p=285513#post285513) (#935)

And I used to be really into Kabbalah, but that's not anything to do with satan; it's more like mystic Jewish string theory (http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/912093/jewish/String-Theory-Kabbalah.htm). See also this (http://kabbalahstudent.com/michio-kaku-on-physics-and-kabbalah/).

Crowley's interpretation strayed a LOT from the Zohar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zohar).

[WorzelG]

Apparently Bowie turned down the opportunity to sing on a Coldplay song

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bowie-on-aborted-coldplay-collab-its-not-a-very-good-song-is-it-20160119

[thevoid99]

Apparently Bowie turned down the opportunity to sing on a Coldplay song

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bowie-on-aborted-coldplay-collab-its-not-a-very-good-song-is-it-20160119

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/e9/Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121205194057

Even Bowie thinks Coldplay sucks.

[elevenism]

Already posted (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/590-David-Bowie?p=285513#post285513) (#935)

And I used to be really into Kabbalah, but that's not anything to do with satan; it's more like mystic Jewish string theory (http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/912093/jewish/String-Theory-Kabbalah.htm). See also this (http://kabbalahstudent.com/michio-kaku-on-physics-and-kabbalah/).

Crowley's interpretation strayed a LOT from the Zohar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zohar). @allegro (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=76) , i'm familiar with Cabala. What i meant was that there are THOUSANDS of utterly ridiculous articles and videos floating around produced by p)eople who think that "lucifer runs the music industry," and ANYTHING other than evangelical christianity is satanism. i was saying that the article i linked wasn't one of those.

(sorry if i'm not expressing myself well here-i've got my 3 year old niece and a ninety pound bulldog vying for my attention ;))

i loved that article. i didn't know the meaning of Station to Station, for instance.

I certainly don't think bowie was any type of satanist, for the record. I just didn't realize how much mysticism had shaped his career.

[allegro]

i'm familiar with Cabala.
I studied the Kabbalah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah). Not the Christian or Crowley ripoff versions. :p

But that article is specific about Station to Station being written while Bowie was ingesting only cocaine, milk, red peppers and nicotine to survive, and he barely even remembered writing any of it.

http://dangerousminds.net/content/uploads/images/Bowie-Food-Pyramid-1970s-234092384.jpg

If you listen to his song lyrics for most of his career, you'll find a lot of references to mysticism, but once he really started into the coke elevenism his weird obsession --> it all got really bad (http://gnosticwarrior.com/david-bowies-gnostic-obsession.html), it was pretty common knowledge in the '70s (which you would not know since you did not yet exist of course, heh). He moved to Berlin to get away from the drugs and to clean himself up. He joked (??) that before "Low," every time he blew his nose, some of his brains came out.

[elevenism]

I studied the Kabbalah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah). Not the Christian or Crowley ripoff versions. :p

But that article is specific about Station to Station being written while Bowie was ingesting only cocaine, milk and red peppers to survive, and barely even remembered writing any of it.
Sure enough.
I wish i would have studied the Kabbalah, and came very close to doing so. I was at a spiritual crossroads. I was sixteen years old. I literally had a stack of books on the Kabbalah and a stack of books on Celtic Magick.
But i was intimidated by the Hebrew and already had a beginner's knowledge of sympathetic magic, so i bought the Celtic books.
And i threw myself head first into Celtic Ritual Magick, which wound up being a decision i regret to this day. I opened strange doors that would never close again. ;P

At any rate, i do need to listen to STS again.

Edit: allegro , i first heard bowie as a child, through my parents.
Then it was best of bowie.
And then Outside came out. That's when my true bowie obsession began.
I had Low and TMWSTW in high school, so it was those two, Outside, Earthling, Heathen, and the 98 best of bowie that i listened to nonstop.
I have all of his studio albums now of course, but i've yet to listen to all of them obsessively (which is why i was so hooked on Life on Mars last year.)
This is why i don't know all of the lyrics.
(and now i MUST stop typing, because it's hard with my 3 year old niece trying to prevent it. ;))

[allegro]

At any rate, i do need to listen to STS again.
It's only referenced in the song, not the whole album.

And you can study English minimized versions of the Zohar. Like, for instance (http://www.amazon.com/Kabbalah-Beginners-Rav-Michael-Laitman/dp/0978159098/ref=pd_sim_14_8?ie=UTF8&dpID=51hIudSJ5sL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR104%2C160_&refRID=065724ZGZER95ME9T0YJ). It's more spiritual than mysticism.

[Nyx]

Apparently Bowie turned down the opportunity to sing on a Coldplay song

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bowie-on-aborted-coldplay-collab-its-not-a-very-good-song-is-it-20160119

'It's not a very good song, is it?'
Haha, love it :D

[marodi]

Movie related but there was singing in it so there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjobWguWIRk

[elevenism]

It's only referenced in the song, not the whole album.

And you can study English minimized versions of the Zohar. Like, for instance (http://www.amazon.com/Kabbalah-Beginners-Rav-Michael-Laitman/dp/0978159098/ref=pd_sim_14_8?ie=UTF8&dpID=51hIudSJ5sL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR104%2C160_&refRID=065724ZGZER95ME9T0YJ). It's more spiritual than mysticism.
thank you. i will order it today, unless you have a better suggestion.

[allegro]

thank you. i will order it today, unless you have a better suggestion.

No, he is the most highly-recommended Rav (Hebrew for Rabbi) re the Zohar on Amazon. Actually, that one looks so good (and cheap, LOL) I ordered for myself. :p It's a great starting point.

[emptydesk]

Kanye is very talented, and little gives me douche-chills like watching rock purists shit on him.

[orestes]

Movie related but there was singing in it so there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjobWguWIRk

Glamdalf!!!

[orestes]

I studied the Kabbalah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah). Not the Christian or Crowley ripoff versions. :p

But that article is specific about Station to Station being written while Bowie was ingesting only cocaine, milk, red peppers and nicotine to survive, and he barely even remembered writing any of it.

http://dangerousminds.net/content/uploads/images/Bowie-Food-Pyramid-1970s-234092384.jpg

If you listen to his song lyrics for most of his career, you'll find a lot of references to mysticism, but once he really started into the coke @elevenism (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475) his weird obsession --> it all got really bad (http://gnosticwarrior.com/david-bowies-gnostic-obsession.html), it was pretty common knowledge in the '70s (which you would not know since you did not yet exist of course, heh). He moved to Berlin to get away from the drugs and to clean himself up. He joked (??) that before "Low," every time he blew his nose, some of his brains came out.

Yeah, he moved to Berlin: the heroin capital. :p

[allegro]

Yeah, he moved to Berlin: the heroin capital. :p

Yeah, it seemed kinda weird for Bowie and Iggy to move to BERLIN of all places to "clean up" but, hey, whatever, heh. :p

He wasn't thinking very clearly at the time. (http://score.addicaid.com/david-bowie-and-cocaine-psychosis/)

[jmtd]

Final version of Sue... reminds me a lot of "I'm Deranged"

EDIT: Gah I meant "Tis A Pity..."

[mfte]

Final version of Sue... reminds me a lot of "I'm Deranged"

EDIT: Gah I meant "Tis A Pity..."

I can see what you mean. Though a bit faster. The sax flourishes on this records are such a treat.

Also fuck Kanye. The man never drank a Duff in his life.

Im surprised Rabbit isn't in here saying how Bowie fell off after Aladdin Sane.

[Frozen Beach]

Yeah, it seemed kinda weird for Bowie and Iggy to move to BERLIN of all places to "clean up" but, hey, whatever, heh. :p

He wasn't thinking very clearly at the time. (http://score.addicaid.com/david-bowie-and-cocaine-psychosis/)
He didn't know heroin was big in Berlin at the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOWE3W9Lgbo

[Frozen Beach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEr3t1FggFI

[fillow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tJlv-9-PVg&feature=youtu.be

Includes Shining Star, which was never played at the tour proper

[The Doctor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrtXFTw2ico

David Bowie impersonated a number of his peers, including Bruce Springsteen, Iggy Pop, Lou Reed, Tom Waits and Anthony Newley, on a newly unearthed 1985 outtake recorded around the time of his single "Absolute Beginners."

[elevenism]

Final version of Sue... reminds me a lot of "I'm Deranged"

EDIT: Gah I meant "Tis A Pity..."
i'm deranged is pretty much my favorite song of all time, especially production wise and as far as sonic "textures" go. It's absolutely fucking perfect in those respects.

Edit: well, i guess i'm not alone in this sentiment, botley , kleiner352 and seasonsinthesky :)

[Frozen Beach]

http://davidbowienews.com/2016/01/hear-david-bowie-impersonate-bruce-springsteen-neil-young-iggy-pop-lou-reed-tom-waits-in-newly-unearthed-recording/ (http://davidbowienews.com/2016/01/hear-david-bowie-impersonate-bruce-springsteen-neil-young-iggy-pop-lou-reed-tom-waits-in-newly-unearthed-recording/)

edit: oh crap, I just realized it was already posted

[Morad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrtXFTw2ico

David Bowie impersonated a number of his peers, including Bruce Springsteen, Iggy Pop, Lou Reed, Tom Waits and Anthony Newley, on a newly unearthed 1985 outtake recorded around the time of his single "Absolute Beginners."

The Lou Reed one is perfect!

My friend and I are actually wondering what the song is? Did he just ad-lib it? It kind of sounds like a generic Springsteen song that he just made up along the way, but I could be wrong.

[botley]

OH MY GOD, I was laughing my ass off at his Iggy. God bless.

[elevenism]

OH MY GOD, I was laughing my ass off at his Iggy. God bless.
for me it was the Tom Waits. Spot on!

[thevoid99]

OK, seriously. That shit is funny. I think Bowie had another life as a comedian. Some of the stories he tells are hilarious but this takes the fucking cake. He's probably doing comedy bits on the side right now with Frank, Sammy, and Dean as part of the Rat Pack revue.

[seasonsinthesky]

i'm deranged is pretty much my favorite song of all time, especially production wise and as far as sonic "textures" go. It's absolutely fucking perfect in those respects.

Edit: well, i guess i'm not alone in this sentiment, @botley (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=469) , @kleiner352 (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4417) and @seasonsinthesky (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=485) :)

I'm pretty miffed Outside, as released, wasn't the three 20-minute suites, but because it resulted in brilliance like "I'm Deranged," "No Control," and "A Small Plot of Land" (among nearly all the record), it's still my favourite Bowie. The staying power is incredible. So strange and mystical, despite not being a 'Kabbalah album.'

"1." indeed.

[screwdriver]

So strange and mystical, despite not being a 'Kabbalah album.'

"1." indeed.

maybe I missed this earlier, but what is a "Kabbalah album" in this context?

[Findus]

Does anyone here know if David collaborated with Gorillaz for their next album? That would be nice to hear.

http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/2d-noodle-and-ziggy-gorillaz-hint-that-david-bowie-may-be-on-their-new-album

[Substance242]

Received e-mail from my CD shop yesterday, so I picked up ★ finally. But only thanks to my old order, they don't have them on the shelves, seems like general shortage. And yes, the packaging is nice, black on black looks fine. :-) Looking forward to first real headphone listening tonight.

[BenAkenobi]

Reading some comments from that "article" linked earlier about mystical connections. Had quite a few WTF moments.
There were people saying that explained very well why they felt he was "evil", stating that they couldn't listen to clips of his music because they felt "corruption". Someone wrote that he or she was a fan but recently "took scissors to a stack of DB's albums". Someone followed it up with some shit along the lines "David Jones killed David Bowie to clean himself from the occult".
Serious question, do people genuinely talk like this? I can only take it as trolling or outright idiocy. I hope us ETS folks don't add to such bullshit.

[Nyx]

^^Yes, people do indeed talk like that and fervently believe in what they're saying...and it gets a lot crazier than people in that comment section. I think a lot of them are actually mentally ill but are able to function in everyday life, keep jobs, maintain relationships, not shit their pants, and cook meals.. that's why they never seek treatment, they just live their lives firmly believing in lizzard people, demons, chemtrails, etc..

[Space Suicide]

Reading some comments from that "article" linked earlier about mystical connections. Had quite a few WTF moments.
There were people saying that explained very well why they felt he was "evil", stating that they couldn't listen to clips of his music because they felt "corruption". Someone wrote that he or she was a fan but recently "took scissors to a stack of DB's albums". Someone followed it up with some shit along the lines "David Jones killed David Bowie to clean himself from the occult".
Serious question, do people genuinely talk like this? I can only take it as trolling or outright idiocy. I hope us ETS folks don't add to such bullshit.

Any idiot that talks or believes that trite they spew can't be from a rational thought process. I could understand not enjoying some music or ideas but rambling nonsense of who or what that did who or what involving shit out of your own hands, any person's hands, is foolish. Any person that far gone or in that mindset as far as religion goes is the type of moron I can't stand. (Assuming they are religious, being totally blind in my call out there.)

Sure, some of Bowie's music had mysticism and fantastical material but evil? If they think David Bowie is evil then I question them what their definition of evil really is.

we all know how influential and wicked a song like Let's Dance is. This man is vile. He definitely needed to go, right?!

:p

[SaintNoir]

I've listened to that impersonation bit so many times... so funny. Amazing that it's off the cuff as well.

[seasonsinthesky]

maybe I missed this earlier, but what is a "Kabbalah album" in this context?

It was discussed a page or two back in response to the mysticism article. Station to Station and ★.

[Toadflax]

Wrote a column about Labyrinth as a tribute at the movie site I write for. Thought you guys would appreciate:

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/why-it-works-labyrinth-242-02

[TheyCallMeDrug]

his death and the album are starting to separate mentally for me which has just started in the past week.

the grooves on this album and the saxophone use is flat out incredible. i find myself going back now more for hooks and bass lines than the lyrics which were pretty hard to get past at first.

incredible artistic statement. shame he didn't have more time.

[Substance242]

You know what's strange... Except for Foreigner - Urgent, Lily was here, NIN - While I'm still here, and Lisa Simpson :-), I don't like saxophone, it sounds bit too harsh and cold to me. And is used in music styles which seem like random notes without any structure. ;-) But on ★ it's OK, so am I convincing myself to like it, or what...

PS: Nothing has changed. Everything has changed.

[allegro]

You know what's strange... Except for Foreigner - Urgent, Lily was here, NIN - While I'm still here, and Lisa Simpson :-), I don't like saxophone, it sounds bit too harsh and cold to me. And is used in music styles which seem like random notes without any structure. ;-)

You haven't listened to any smooth jazz (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNx4EbTu10w). :-) Then there's this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQnlTyXFWS0).

When you hear "harsh" horns of any kind (like on parts of this Bowie album), it's intentional; to evoke chaos, cacophony, deliberate lack of structure.

See this (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/threads/590-David-Bowie?p=286536&posted=1#post286536):


Mr. Bowie, an elusive rock star whose music has been as famously changeable as his image, enlisted the Donny McCaslin Quartet, a rugged jazz-rock combo featuring Mr. McCaslin on saxophones, Jason Lindner on keyboards, Tim Lefebvre on electric bass and Mark Guiliana on drums. And for all of “Blackstar,” stylized as ★, Mr. Bowie plugged right into the intensely responsive metabolism of the band, opening an unlikely new door in his nearly 50-year recording career. The album is due out on Friday, his 69th birthday, on ISO/Columbia.

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/01/05/arts/05BOWIEJP2/05BOWIEJP2-articleLarge.jpg
The saxophonist Donny McCaslin and his Donny McCaslin Quartet helped lead David Bowie in a new direction in the studio.

Mr. McCaslin, 49, has been a stalwart on the New York jazz scene for more than 20 years — an improviser with an aptitude for controlled abandon, often uncorking solos that feel both wild and cogent. He recently received a Grammy nomination for best improvised jazz solo, for the deft, swirling tenor saxophone work on “Arbiters of Evolution,” from that album Ms. Schneider was working on, “The Thompson Fields” (ArtistShare). (It has a nomination, too.)

About four years ago, Mr. McCaslin made a hard turn toward groove as a bandleader, enlisting the other members of the quartet, who have their own separate histories together. The band’s first album on Greenleaf Music, “Casting for Gravity,” came out in 2012; a follow-up, “Fast Future,” appeared last year. (They will play the Village Vanguard Jan. 19 through 24.) The group’s usual haunt is the 55 Bar, where Mr. Bowie showed up unannounced to hear them early last year.

Both parties did their homework. Mr. Bowie had listened intently to “Casting for Gravity” as well as “Beat Music: The Los Angeles Improvisations,” a self-released album by Mr. Guiliana. “And we watched their YouTube videos,” Mr. Visconti said. “We were spying on them. David said to me, ‘Really listen a lot to this, and get in your mind how they work.’”

[Space Suicide]

Anyone here think 'hours....' is underrated like me? I just gave it a listen, along with its b-sides and remixes from the 2004 release. I think all latter half of the 90's albums are great. Outside never getting follow up albums properly with the concept leave me sad. Earthling rules, not a single song I dislike.

[aggroculture]

One of my favorite things about Blackstar are the saxophones.

[Jon]

I haven't been keeping up with the board at the moment, was just curious if this had been mentioned. I know this is old hat for the bootleg crowd:

Nine Inch Nails feat. David Bowie — We Prick You: Radio Broadcast (http://www.amazon.com/We-Prick-You-Radio-Broadcast/dp/B018EHR6WA) {released February 12, 2016}


Terrible Lie
March Of The Pigs
The Becoming
Sanctified
Piggy
Burn
Closer
Wish
Gave Up
Down In It
Eraser
Subterraneans
Scary Monsters
Hallo Spaceboy
Look Back In Anger
I Have Not Been To Oxford Town
The Man Who Sold The World

[Space Suicide]

I haven't been keeping up with the board at the moment, was just curious if this had been mentioned. I know this is old hat for the bootleg crowd:

Nine Inch Nails feat. David Bowie — We Prick You: Radio Broadcast {released February 12, 2016} (http://www.amazon.com/We-Prick-You-Radio-Broadcast/dp/B018EHR6WA)


Terrible Lie
March Of The Pigs
The Becoming
Sanctified
Piggy
Burn
Closer
Wish
Gave Up
Down In It
Eraser
Subterraneans
Scary Monsters
Hallo Spaceboy
Look Back In Anger
I Have Not Been To Oxford Town
The Man Who Sold The World

Mentioned a few days ago, maybe a week even. It's just a bootleg release of a soundboard that's been around for sometime. I think it's one of the more well known recordings from that tour along with the Mountain View, CA one.

[onthewall2983]

Kirk Hammett of Metallica with an appreciation and memories of meeting him on his last tour (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallicas-kirk-hammett-pens-appreciation-for-david-bowie-20160123)

[BenAkenobi]

damnit, that new 1 TB HDD i got last week seemed like a big storage... until i see these lists of DB's works.

[Frozen Beach]

http://i65.tinypic.com/2duge8.jpg
December 2015

[Ryan]

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/01/05/arts/05BOWIEJP2/05BOWIEJP2-articleLarge.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/555107327620042752/xS_ft67a_200x200.png

[elevenism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2gMMZB0FaU

this is now my favorite song of all time, pretty much instantly.
and jesus christ, it has maynard in it.
how in the hell have i missed this?

it's kind of liike Bowie, NIN, and APC together

[frankie teardrop]

this has been making the rounds lately, and gives me chills:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g18sx

visconti, upon transferring digital tapes of heroes, isolates each track and dissects every individual sound that makes the song what it is. lots of seemingly broken and "wrong" techniques = absolute magic.

[elevenism]

this has been making the rounds lately, and gives me chills:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g18sx

visconti, upon transferring digital tapes of heroes, isolates each track and dissects every individual sound that makes the song what it is. lots of seemingly broken and "wrong" techniques = absolute magic.

so "standing by the wall" and "we kissed as though nothing could fall" is about Tony kissing the backup singer. crazy

[october_midnight]

Not really news, but here (http://consequenceofsound.net/2016/01/david-bowie-prepared-a-number-of-records-to-be-released-posthumously/) is the CoS article about all the posthumous recordings that we're going to get, the first next year...

[elevenism]

i KNEW he would have albums come out posthumously

[SaintNoir]

To be fair, the articles that state this mention anthologies. Which is nothing new in regards to Bowie (though I imagine there will be a few unreleased bits on them).

[october_midnight]

To be fair, the articles that state this mention anthologies. Which is nothing new in regards to Bowie (though I imagine there will be a few unreleased bits on them).

That's why I said it's not really 'news' per se, hahaha. Though it could mean bonus tracks.

[Your Name Here]

................

[elevenism]

I KNOW that bowie will have NEW music come out. i just know it.

So i watched a reality tour, and good god, bowie has been thinking about dying for awhile

that last run of tracks-Bring Me the Disco King, Slip Away, Heathen, Five Years....
He even has the bass player "leading him away" at one point.
i think it was a premature goodbye.

[frankie teardrop]

it seems a bit unfortunate that there will be more anthologies considering nothing has changed was conceived (likely during his illness) as the final say on the matter. i am all for the vaults, though. so many things i'd love to hear that have been hinted at, including the original man who fell to earth soundtrack, the delicate outtakes from low (likely in the same vein as 'some are'), the 90s attempts at 'bring me the disco king' (black tie and earthling), any early stripped down versions of 'loving the alien' and so on and so forth.


also, this may belong in the shoegaze/dreampop thread, but this made me chuckle a little bit (even though i love these bands):

http://www.creation-records.com/not-really-my-cup-of-tea-david-bowie/

"thanks for the tape of shitty music, you twat, here's a jigsaw puzzle and some steve reich. bowie out."

[Your Name Here]

..............

[Frozen Beach]

So that tumblr that people thought was ran by David just confirmed that it wasn't ran by David. I really don't know why people ever thought it in the first place.
http://thevillaoformen.tumblr.com/

[emptydesk]

People want to believe, I guess. He did have regular email and PM communications with fans on various Bowie message boards in the late 1990s up until about 2013, though.

http://dokearney.blogspot.com/2016/01/a-beautiful-exit.html

[elevenism]

On the live by request show, the host, after discussing bowie's many characters, asks him "so do you feel more like David bowie now?" and bowie replied "actually i feel like Jonesy"

i thought it was really cool

oh and if you haven't seen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQq4FH81jd0
he takes requests. it's lovely

[frankie teardrop]

People want to believe, I guess. He did have regular email and PM communications with fans on various Bowie message boards in the late 1990s up until about 2013, though.

http://dokearney.blogspot.com/2016/01/a-beautiful-exit.html

this was sweet. i haven't spoken with dara in years. my first messageboard was teenage wildlife way back in the early days of the internet where this blogger used to post regularly. db did occasionally pop in, yes. often under the nickname sailor (though likely under others). he was always enigmatic and you couldn't be totally sure, but i really enjoyed the idea of it.


it's lovely

this is where the five year old called in, no? i saw that clip as part of a 'funny moments' compilation recently, and i kinda lost it during that segment. "hi david bowie" - "i'll call you later."

[botley]

it seems a bit unfortunate that there will be more anthologies considering nothing has changed was conceived (likely during his illness) as the final say on the matter.
It was conceived as a best-of compilation, not the be-all end-all. I think the 3-disc version is great, the others are kind of meh. More anthologies like the Five Years 1969-1973 box set are probably what he has signed off on releasing, and there's nothing unreleased on that. According to the man who ran his catalogue (http://www.musicweek.com/news/read/remembering-david-bowie-warner-music-s-nigel-reeve/063896) there are more of the same kind of releases happening through 2018.

[frankie teardrop]

five years (the cd edition, at least) *did* have that original 'holy holy' on it, first time it was available since the 7'' fell out of print in the early 70s... not the most amazing recording, but it was something obscure, at the very least.



@BenAkenobi (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=122) - i'd personally say sound and vision is better for hardcore fans, mostly for unearthing a lot of great, rare, and unheard material, in cahoots with the rest of the rykodisc reissues. at the time of its release (1989), it was a godsend, since bowie is known for keeping a closely guarded vault. as a best-of it only covers the 70s into scary monsters, so it's flawed in that aspect. i suppose the four disc reissue makes up for that a bit, but still isn't definitive.

there are some great tracks on nothing has changed, some great gems and obscurities, especially on the three disc version. i actually love the idea of the backwards chronological aspect, giving heavy weight to his latter day stuff. it's definitely the better standalone retrospective and covers something from every era, but otherwise, the radio edits are often inferior and cut out a lot of the magic for me, though your mileage may vary. the only single version i've found to be an improvement over the album mix is 'loving the alien.'

[orestes]

this was sweet. i haven't spoken with dara in years. my first messageboard was teenage wildlife way back in the early days of the internet where this blogger used to post regularly. db did occasionally pop in, yes. often under the nickname sailor (though likely under others). he was always enigmatic and you couldn't be totally sure, but i really enjoyed the idea of it.



this is where the five year old called in, no? i saw that clip as part of a 'funny moments' compilation recently, and i kinda lost it during that segment. "hi david bowie" - "i'll call you later."

I may still have the a&e special on dvd, along the with extensive episode of "Biography" that aired beforehand. I remember people on ets speculating if Trent would show up to perform with Bowie, heh.

[BenAkenobi]

It was conceived as a best-of compilation, not the be-all end-all. I think the 3-disc version is great, the others are kind of meh...

What do you think is better - N.H.C. or Sound & Vision?

[elevenism]

have you guys seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyO5MRTbL2s

[Frozen Beach]

Yeah, I remember when it was it was first released. I thought it was pretty neat. There's a 360 video somewhere.

[elevenism]

ok, what all documentaries are there?
i've seen this Sound and Vision, but i'm watching it again. i've seen cracked actor. @orestes (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4) , you mentioned an A and E Biography segment?

[botley]

What do you think is better - N.H.C. or Sound & Vision?
Three-disc Nothing Has Changed. It has tracks from Toy, for crying out loud. But I also bought "After Today" on iTunes 'cause S+V is the only place to get that track.

[elevenism]

is it just me, or did david have eyes for gail anne dorsey?

it's just the way they look at each other sometimes

edit: i'm just waiting for the facepalms. i know this isn't tmz. but i'm curious, damnit, and i don't know any hardcore bowie fans other than you people.

[emptydesk]

visconti breaks down "heroes" multitracks http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g18sx

[frankie teardrop]

visconti breaks down "heroes" multitracks http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g18sx

posted a page or two back, but it's really something! i love old string synths, personally. the solo fripp tracks are really interesting as well. i remember seeing the handwritten lyrics on paper as part of the david bowie is... exhibit when i was in toronto and i teared up while looking at it. they also had eno's suitcase synth.

[elevenism]

Do you guys like the movie Absolute Beginners?
i love it, despite its bad reviews.

[orestes]

ok, what all documentaries are there?
i've seen this Sound and Vision, but i'm watching it again. i've seen cracked actor. @orestes (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=4) , you mentioned an A and E Biography segment?

Yeah, it was a night of programming dedicated to Bowie. A two-hour episode of "Biography", narrated by Eddie Izzard, followed by "Live by Request", if memory serves me right.

[botley]

posted a page or two back, but it's really something! i love old string synths, personally. the solo fripp tracks are really interesting as well. i remember seeing the handwritten lyrics on paper as part of the david bowie is... exhibit when i was in toronto and i teared up while looking at it. they also had eno's suitcase synth.
Same here, that was my favourite room in the whole exhibition.

I'm now tracking down the best digital masters to use in my marathon listening session, hahahah (NERD ALERT). For the Deram era, the 2010 deluxe David Bowie 2-CD version works fine, both for the main album and bonus tracks. It's also available on most streaming services. If you want the 1966 Pye singles or earlier stuff, just about any digital version will do.

For Space Oddity, all the bonus tracks are present on Re:Call1 from the Five Years box set, but for the main album I think RCA's Japan-made CD released for North America in the 1980s sounds better than the 2015 remaster (which suffers from drop-outs that seem to have been poorly patched with digital repairs, resulting in unnecessary noise). The Japan-for-USA CD has the catalogue number PCD1-4813, and these are the peak volume values when you rip the CD in Exact Audio Copy: 69.3 / 73.6 / 44.4 / 85.8 / 85.0 / 57.7 / 64.4 / 50.8 / 80.9 ...on this version, however, the fragment "(Don't Sit Down)" is missing, which is accurate to the 1972 RCA American edition of the album (this CD also uses that '72 alternate album cover shot for the booklet artwork). The fade-out at the end of the title track also ends kind of abruptly, too, so I made a repaired version of the disc for my own listening that reinstates those missing bits from later CD versions — hopefully with more finesse than the 2015 edition uses.

[allegro]

Yeah, it was a night of programming dedicated to Bowie. A two-hour episode of "Biography", narrated by Eddie Izzard, followed by "Live by Request", if memory serves me right.

I thought this BBC doc was REALLY good:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqXdEGj_Syg&feature=youtu.be

[thevoid99]

Do you guys like the movie Absolute Beginners?
i love it, despite its bad reviews.

It's flawed, especially in its third act. Yet, I'm fond of that film because of the music as well as the culture of jazz in the film's first act. Bowie, of course, stole the fucking film as I just loved the "That's Motivation" sequence from start to finish. Bowie with the fedora looked like Frank Sinatra while if he was ever going to convince me to sell out in that kind of style. You goddamn right I'd sell out with him.

[SarahConnor]

Did Reznor speak on the matter of Bowie's passing?

[Space Suicide]

Did Reznor speak on the matter of Bowie's passing?

Haven't seen, read or heard anything about Reznor's opinions and mindset on the matter. Hopefully sometime. His twitter and the nin.com site has been quiet since mid December so.

[screwdriver]

posted a page or two back, but it's really something! i love old string synths, personally. the solo fripp tracks are really interesting as well. i remember seeing the handwritten lyrics on paper as part of the david bowie is... exhibit when i was in toronto and i teared up while looking at it. they also had eno's suitcase synth.


yeah, its always interesting to hear how the old "cheesy" sounds end up getting used really emotionally. like that brass sound.

also interesting to me was how much of a mess Fripp's guitar sounded like to me -- i think there must have been some really good mixing of the three parts to get it into the state we love it

[Deadpool]

Did Reznor speak on the matter of Bowie's passing?

The closest we've received to a comment = his recent Twitter likes: https://twitter.com/trent_reznor/likes (miraculously, one (https://twitter.com/jimpenola/status/686448570237497344) of those tweets is mine :eek:)

[frankie teardrop]

The closest we've received to a comment = his recent Twitter likes: https://twitter.com/trent_reznor/likes (miraculously, one (https://twitter.com/jimpenola/status/686448570237497344) of those tweets is mine :eek:)

he wrote a large piece for a music magazine that should be out v. soon. source: my wife works there and has read it.

[Deadpool]

he wrote a large piece for a music magazine that should be out v. soon. source: my wife works there and has read it.

That's GREAT news! Can't wait.

[fillow]

If anyone feels a need to complete his Bowie experience, here's some suggestions of Bowie-related albums that feature his collaborators and band members:

Holy Holy: The Man Who Sold The World - Live In London (2015). Live album by Bowie tribute band featuring Tony Visconti, Mick Woodmansey and Erdal Kizilcay
Mick Ronson: Slaughter on 10th Avenue (1974). Ronson solo album with Trevor Bolder on bass, Aynsley Dunbar (Pin Ups, Diamond Dogs) on drums and Mike Garson on keys, plus Bowie as co-writer of several songs
Mick Ronson: Play Don't Worry (1975). Ronson solo album with Trevor Bolder on bass, Aynsley Dunbar and Tony Newman (Diamond Dogs, David Live) on drums and Mike Garson on keys, includes White Light/White Heat (recorded at Pin Ups sessions)
The Spiders from Mars: The Spiders from Mars (1976). One-off semi-reunion album featuring Trevor Bolder, Mick Woodmansey and Mike Garson
Mike Garson: The Bowie Variations (2011). Solo piano album with covers/improvisations based on Bowie songs
Lou Reed: Transformer (1972). Featuring Bowie, Herbie Flowers, Mick Ronson, Trevor Bolder (on trumpet), produced by Bowie/Ronson.
Iggy Pop: The Idiot (1977). Produced, co-written and co-performed by Bowie, also featuring Carlos Alomar, George Murray, Dennis Davis
Iggy Pop: Lust for Life (1977). Co-produced, co-written and co-performed by Bowie, also featuring Carlos Alomar, Ricky Gardiner (Low), Warren Peace, Tony & Hunt Sales
Iggy Pop: TV Eye Live 1977 (1978). Live album featuring Bowie on keyboards, plus Ricky Gardiner, Stacey Heydon (Nassau Coliseum), Tony & Hunt Sales
Iggy Pop: Blah-Blah-Blah (1986). Co-produced and co-written by Bowie, also featuring Kevin Armstrong (Tin Machine, Outside) and Erdal Kizilcay

Then there is a bunch of record with smaller connection or of less importance, such as: Fripp & Eno records; King Crimson albums with Fripp, Belew and Tony Levin (who played on Heathen and The Next Day); Iggy live video with only Carlos Alomar; a bunch of Chic albums featuring Nile Rodgers and Tony Thompson; Jerry Harrison album which reunited Adrian Belew and George Murray; The Fragile by NIN (LOL!). I'm not even gonna mention dozens of one-off songs and guest appearances.

[SaintNoir]

I would throw in Mott the Hoople's All the Young Dudes.

What magazine is the TR interview in?

[fillow]

I would throw in Mott the Hoople's All the Young Dudes.

Well, performance-wise there's not much from Bowie on that album. He produced it and wrote a title track, plus Ronson played "strings and brass" on a different one.

[SaintNoir]

Well, performance-wise there's not much from Bowie on that album. He produced it and wrote a title track, plus Ronson played "strings and brass" on a different one.

As much as some of the others, no? My understanding of Blah-Blah-Blah is it has no Bowie performance on it (just as an example and I could be wrong, and he def wrote a lot of it).

[frankie teardrop]

As much as some of the others, no? My understanding of Blah-Blah-Blah is it has no Bowie performance on it (just as an example and I could be wrong, and he def wrote a lot of it).

he wrote a ton of it, but unlike some of the other songs, he doesn't sing backup on any of the record. if you're going for all the collaboration/vocal tracks though, 'play it safe' from soldier features vox by bowie & half of simple minds.

[fillow]

^^
Yeah, but at least BBB has Armstrong/Kizilcay (who are both recurring Bowie sidemen from 80s/90s) on all songs and not just two tracks.

Anyway, my list is purely subjective, feel free to throw in anything else.

[Your Name Here]

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[Nyx]

http://liisaladouceur.com/ashes-to-ashes-a-timeline-of-bowies-influence-on-goth/
A timeline of Bowie's influence on goth

[thevoid99]

As brilliant a musician as I see Bowie, I also see him as an artist, be it painting or acting. To me whatever he set his creative mind to his expression could be just as powerful in other forms of artistic expression. I always felt he fucking nailed his performance as Andy Warhol in Basquiat, I also liked him The Hunger and I do enjoy The Man Who Fell To Earth which seems like an art school film to me but I still love it.

Bowie as an actor was miles away from what is often seen from pop stars where he could play a role and not be seen as Bowie. In Basquiat, he brought Warhol back to life and he got that man down. It shouldn't have been a surprise considering that Bowie knew Andy.

[Your Name Here]

..................

[mqhanlon]

he wrote a ton of it, but unlike some of the other songs, he doesn't sing backup on any of the record. if you're going for all the collaboration/vocal tracks though, 'play it safe' from soldier features vox by bowie & half of simple minds.

There is the demo of Fire Girl off of "Where the Faces Shine - Vol. 2" with Bowie backup vocals. If you don't want to shell out for the seven disc set, you can also pick it up on iTunes. Anyone that's into Blah Blah Blah should really check it out. I dream of more similar demos...

[Frozen Beach]

Every time I go to David's wikipedia page to find information about a release, I notice the word "was" and it's a kick in the nuts every time. I don't think I'll ever get used to this.

[innerturmoil]

Reznor comments:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/trent-reznor-recalls-how-david-bowie-helped-him-get-sober-20160126

[allegro]

Oh boy, everybody here can sleep, now. Reznor hath commented.

[Space Suicide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojBFJkbTzaA

Anyone think this is better than the original or is it just me?

[screwdriver]

Oh boy, everybody here can sleep, now. Reznor hath commented.

people here are actually pretty cool. reading the comments on this as its been posted and re-posted on different websites is depressing as fuck.

[orestes]

How come I never noticed a similarity between the two?
Exhibit A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pyv3y_wBFc

[orestes]

Exhibit B

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBYiDnXP_UE

[allegro]

people here are actually pretty cool. reading the comments on this as its been posted and re-posted on different websites is depressing as fuck.
Celebrity response to a death is always stupid to me. It's like, "but what does our messiah say about this?" And in this case, people seemed pissed about no response; "we're waiting for a response, where is our response?"

Um, as William Shatner said ...

[allegro]

meanwhile ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3dtDdO5Op4

[thevoid99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojBFJkbTzaA

Anyone think this is better than the original or is it just me?

I think it's an improvement as it's more direct and to the point. It is clear that there were a lot of songs Bowie between Let's Dance and the first Tin Machine album, with the exception of a few soundtrack material, where I think he had some good ideas but he probably compromised and got sucked into what was trendy in the world of production. I have a book on Bowie where Reeves Gabrels talked about hearing the demos for Tonight and thought they sounded great but when they became the songs in the album, the production sucked away much of its soul. I do like "Time Will Crawl" in its original but the MM Remix is a total improvement.

[Ryan]

Jesus fucking Christ look at the prices -

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Blackstar+Bowie+vinyl+clear&isNewKw=1&mfs=GOCLK&acimp=0&_trksid=p2053742.m2428.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xblackstar+b owie+vinyl+clear&sqp=blackstar+bowie+vinyl+clear

[Rdm]

Jesus fucking Christ look at the prices -

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Blackstar+Bowie+vinyl+clear&isNewKw=1&mfs=GOCLK&acimp=0&_trksid=p2053742.m2428.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xblackstar+b owie+vinyl+clear&sqp=blackstar+bowie+vinyl+clear


wow and people are actually bidding on them.

[Ryan]

wow and people are actually bidding on them.

wow cuntish sarcasm.

[ibanez33]

Managed to snag one of the last copies we had at work of Space Oddity... Guess I need to buy a poster frame now, too:

http://i.imgur.com/SIDG7YK.jpg

[Space Suicide]

Jesus fucking Christ look at the prices -

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Blackstar+Bowie+vinyl+clear&isNewKw=1&mfs=GOCLK&acimp=0&_trksid=p2053742.m2428.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xblackstar+b owie+vinyl+clear&sqp=blackstar+bowie+vinyl+clear


wow and people are actually bidding on them.

I wouldn't even sell it for big bucks unless I was dire in finances awhile from now. Why sell a limited edition copy of Bowie's last album on vinyl? Crazy.

[SaintNoir]

Geez. I purchased a copy of that clear vinyl on a whim really. Didn't realize it was going for so much. I've enjoyed listening to it!

[frankie teardrop]

I wouldn't even sell it for big bucks unless I was dire in finances awhile from now. Why sell a limited edition copy of Bowie's last album on vinyl? Crazy.

opportunism.

[Space Suicide]

opportunism.

Well yeah but fucking a.

[thevoid99]

Well, the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra is going to do a concert to the music of Bowie in June: http://music.blog.ajc.com/2016/01/25/david-bowies-music-to-be-celebrated-by-atlanta-symphony-orchestra/

Hmm, should I go?

BTW, this who the Brits are having to pay tribute to Bowie: http://noisey.vice.com/en_au/blog/david-bowie-would-have-hated-the-tribute-that-the-brit-awards-have-planned-for-him?utm_source=noiseytwitteranz

I have no qualms about Adele while I do like Damon Albarn and Noel Gallagher. Bono is OK but Coldplay? FUCK OFF!!!!

[allegro]

Iggy Pop talks about his friend David Bowie in the new Rolling Stone Bowie memorial issue (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/iggy-pop-remembers-david-bowie-he-appreciated-oddballs-20160127).

[allegro]

Interview with Gail Ann Dorsey for the Rolling Stone Bowie memorial issue (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/david-bowie-bassist-gail-ann-dorsey-he-altered-the-course-of-my-life-20160125).

[Space Suicide]

Interview with Gail Ann Dorsey for the Rolling Stone Bowie memorial issue (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/david-bowie-bassist-gail-ann-dorsey-he-altered-the-course-of-my-life-20160125).

Cool! Was a good read as well. She was one of my favorite later band members. I like when she used to duet Under Pressure.

[Rdm]

wow cuntish sarcasm.


Lol, I'm going to be honest I have no idea if this is an insult towards me.


I love album and own the clear vinyl, I just was taken back that it's already worth so much. I guess it's what people want.

[seasonsinthesky]

Interview with Gail Ann Dorsey for the Rolling Stone Bowie memorial issue (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/david-bowie-bassist-gail-ann-dorsey-he-altered-the-course-of-my-life-20160125).

Bowie's unsung, uncelebrated hidden weapon. Dorsey was so integral when she was involved. The team of she and Gabrels were just unforgettable in every moment with DB.

[WorzelG]

Well, the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra is going to do a concert to the music of Bowie in June: http://music.blog.ajc.com/2016/01/25/david-bowies-music-to-be-celebrated-by-atlanta-symphony-orchestra/

Hmm, should I go?

BTW, this who the Brits are having to pay tribute to Bowie: http://noisey.vice.com/en_au/blog/david-bowie-would-have-hated-the-tribute-that-the-brit-awards-have-planned-for-him?utm_source=noiseytwitteranz

I have no qualms about Adele while I do like Damon Albarn and Noel Gallagher. Bono is OK but Coldplay? FUCK OFF!!!!
The Brits are an embarrassment, much worse than the Grammys. Who better to tribute Bowie than someone who he refused to collaborate with saying their song sucked?

[thevoid99]

Why couldn't they just have Suede do the tribute? Def Leppard I wouldn't mind because at least they were respectful to Bowie's music. For me, I would just book bands and artists that loved Bowie's music and knew it better than anyone. Get Brian Eno or people who played with Bowie to do the tribute. Not fucking Coldplay, those wankers suck.

[allegro]

This makes me so happy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbxp1hC8vts&list=RDX_ReNp0G4g4&index=13

[allegro]

I know I mentioned this doc earlier in this thread, but I highly recommend it, it's impressive the people the BBC got for this documentary (Jarvis Cocker of Pulp narrates), and it's REALLY true the influence Bowie had on young people and how he changed the entire culture, made being gay or bisexual totally cool, etc. My best friend eventually came out as bi and ended up living his life as gay, and as a "different" 7th grader his life could have been Hell but David Bowie made my friend's life a Hell of a lot easier and actually made my friend total CHICK BAIT; he was the King of the Drama Club, showed up in school with Sun-In'd hair and was Mr. Glam Cool Guy, etc. All due to David Bowie (and Ziggy) making all this totally cool. Bowie created a subculture of being whomever you wanted to be.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqXdEGj_Syg&feature=youtu.be

[onthewall2983]

Did the BBC do a documentary on him around the time of his 50th birthday or am I just mistaking it for the Earthling at 50 ​doc?

[allegro]

Did the BBC do a documentary on him around the time of his 50th birthday or am I just mistaking it for the Earthling at 50 ​doc?

The above BBC Ziggy doc is from June of 2012, the 40th anniversary of Ziggy (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01k0y0n).

This interview with Bowie in 2002 is really heavy (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03f5cyt).

[elevenism]

Bowie's unsung, uncelebrated hidden weapon. Dorsey was so integral when she was involved. The team of she and Gabrels were just unforgettable in every moment with DB.
She is an incredible bass player, and i LOVE the sound of the band when her bass is turned up loud (the heathen tv performances, the reality tour.)

and good GOD, Reeves Gabrel and that parker fly-he's one of my favorite guitarists of all time.

edit: and remember how Gail KILLED it on under pressure?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI-9yELPKis

[allegro]

and remember how Gail KILLED it on under pressure?

Yet, in the above interview, she said she didn't think she would be able to sing and play bass on that song, said there was no way, and she was a huge Queen fan and was afraid of fucking it up, but Bowie gave her two weeks to learn it, and he had faith in her.

As already stated in this thread, my fave Bowie guitarist is Earl Slick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Slick#With_David_Bowie). ;)

[frankie teardrop]

my favorite is the underrated but amazing Carlos Alomar. Slick as a close second.

[allegro]

Ronson is pretty far up there, too, for writing such immortal guitar riffs.

[elevenism]

As already stated in this thread, my fave Bowie guitarist is Earl Slick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Slick#With_David_Bowie). ;)

I like Reeves Gabrels because i've flat out never heard anyone play guitar the way he does.
he can shred like all the other hot shot guitar players, but instead, more often than not, he creates bizarre sonic textures and makes the instrument wail and scream, using strange scales that i would never think to play. He's definitely one of the most unconventional and inventive guitarists i've ever heard (at least in his work with Bowie.)

Earl Slick ain't no joke himself, though, and he managed to recreate a lot of Gabrel's sounds on Bowie's Reality tour whenever they played songs from outside and earthling. Oh, and good god, how could i forget the first track on Heathen? That's also one of the coolest, most interesting uses of the guitar that i've ever heard.

Bowie tended to surround himself with amazing, unorthodox musicians. Most people don't realize (although i'm sure 99% of you guys do) that he "discovered" SRV.

[emptydesk]

Mick Ronson
Carlos Alomar
Robert Fripp
Adrian Belew
Earl Slick
Ricky Gardiner
Stacy Heydon
Reeves Gabrels
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Peter Frampton

Gabrels was perfect for his era, but in general I feel like he's a flashy overplayer and I've never really liked his 1997 guitar tone.

[thevoid99]

Bowie always worked with great guitar players but for me, it's always going to be Mick Ronson. I was watching Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars earlier today and I don't think Bowie has had better chemistry with anyone other than Ronson. Bowie said he found his Jeff Beck in Ronson and they were a perfect pair. If I were to rank Bowie's best guitarists. It would be like this:

1. Mick Ronson
2. Earl Slick
3. Carlos Alomar
4. Stevie Ray Vaughn
5. Robert Fripp
6. Adrian Belew
7. Reeves Gabrel
8. Peter Frampton
9. Gerry Leonard
10. Stacey Heydon

Honorable Mentions: Nile Rodgers, Kevin Armstrong, Page Hamilton, Ricky Gardiner, Alan Parker, and Marc Bolan.

As far as bass players, Gail I think was Bowie's best bassist as she just had a great sense of tone and playing while being this amazing foil for him. She brought that air of funk into the songs.

1. Gail Ann Dorsey
2. George Murray
3. Trevor Bolder
4. Tony Visconti
5. Carmine Rojas
6. Tony Sales
7. Edral Kiziclay
8. Herbie Flowers

In drums,

1. Dennis Davis
2. Woody Woodmansey
3. Tony Thompson
4. Sterling Campbell
5. Hunt Sales
6. Aynsley Dunbar
7. Zachary Alford

When I was watching Ziggy today, it was something I needed to see yet when it went into "My Death". I lost it as I was crying during that song as I think it's an appropriate song about death and that is the song I would want to be played at my funeral.

[allegro]

Bowie tended to surround himself with amazing, unorthodox musicians. Most people don't realize (although i'm sure 99% of you guys do) that he "discovered" SRV.
Well, and also Jackson Browne (Montreux Jazz Fest). And Stevie Ray Vaughan later bitched that Bowie was a cheapskate and didn't pay him enough ... :)


Bowie always worked with great guitar players but for me, it's always going to be Mick Ronson. I was watching Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars earlier today and I don't think Bowie has had better chemistry with anyone other than Ronson. Bowie said he found his Jeff Beck in Ronson and they were a perfect pair.
That's really true. Ronson was classically trained, and wrote RIFFS that are unforgettable in rock history. Ronson was known as the British Hendrix.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh57-86tzsk

[allegro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g6--QoPsDM

[allegro]

David Bowie wants his ashes scattered in Bali (http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6859399/david-bowie-blackstar-wanted-ashes-scattered-in-bali).

[fillow]

Imho, Alford >>> Campbell, as far as 90s-00s live tours go.
Also, Woody is pretty sloppy drummer at times.

[frankie teardrop]

Oh, and good god, how could i forget the first track on Heathen? That's also one of the coolest, most interesting uses of the guitar that i've ever heard.

that was gerry leonard tho, not slick. slick didn't play on heathen.

i do love gabrels as well, he just doesn't rank too highly overall. he is another multi-album serving guitarist though, considering he did both tin machine records and the three mid-late 90s records. i love the records, but never cared for his live tone, judging from all the concert footage that is floating around from that era. i'll see him soon enough since he's in the cure these days.

[allegro]

Maybe he's thinking that 'cause Slick toured with Heathen?

This is an interesting article (https://bowiesongs.wordpress.com/tag/earl-slick/).

[botley]

Maybe he's thinking that 'cause Slick toured with Heathen?

This is an interesting article (https://bowiesongs.wordpress.com/tag/earl-slick/).

Slick is the man. Definitely my favourite, although it's hard to find fault with Belew despite the Sound+Vision tour being kinda cruddy (for other reasons). C'mon: David Live. Young Americans. Station to Station. Serious Moonlight. Heathen. Reality. A Reality Tour. The Next Day. That's an epic run.

EDIT: Forgot about the 2000 Live at BBC Radio Theatre performance. One of my favourite Bowie shows ever; Slick kills it on every. Single. Song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY54qW7SK8Y

[thevoid99]

Slick's solo on "Stay" in that 2000 BBC Radio Theatre performance is fucking incredible. How can anyone not love that performance?

[elevenism]

@frankie teardrop (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=889) and @emptydesk (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=796) , i guess it's a love it or hate it thing.
The tone he gets from that parker fly is a huge part of what i like about him.
I've also never seen anyone else playing one of those things on stage. It's a VERY strange guitar. My best friend growing up bought one and wound up taking it back, but not before we played with it for awhile. The sustain on it is unreal, and you can get those squealing pinch harmonics super easy, anywhere on the neck.

i adore the guitar tone on this, for instance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okg1UBdyvow

i would probably say that earl slick is a more rounded and versatile musician. i just like the crazy ass noises gabrels makes.

[piggy]

Psst... Trent has used a Parker Fly onstage since the Fragility tour. Dave Navarro and Adrian Belew have used one onstage, too.

[fillow]

Trent isn't a good example here, I think. He used it for what, like one riff in Only? And even stopped doing it since LITS. While Gabrels plays it through the whole show. (Not familiar with Navarro and Belew in this regard).

[botley]

I think a few of the droney "brrrsssssszzzzzzsrrrrrrszzzzz" swarm-y guitar tones on With Teeth and Year Zero are the Parker Fly with all strings tuned to one note, and I think the main riffs in "Big Come Down" (Aaron plays one in BYIT) and a few other tracks on The Fragile were recorded on one as well, which is a little closer to Gabrels' technique. I know Belew's guitar parts for Ghosts I-IV used one, too, where they went a lot more aggressive with the noise pedals.

[allegro]

Joni Mitchell is really known for using this Parker live (http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/quality,85/brand,zzounds/05_Fly_Mojo_Flame_BCB-8ca24cbe8f0566d70eae8ecc6346296c.jpg) (2008 Parker Fly Mojo) (Below example one of my favorite songs of all time, from "Court and Spark.")


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k70_zB0Arlc

[allegro]

And here's Adrian Belew using his Signature Parker Fly playing an old classic King Crimson song, Indiscipline:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZp3Tg-TR5Y

[piggy]

Trent isn't a good example here, I think. He used it for what, like one riff in Only? And even stopped doing it since LITS. While Gabrels plays it through the whole show. (Not familiar with Navarro and Belew in this regard).
You kind of have a point. I probably interpreted what @elevenism (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=2475) said a bit too literally.

[allegro]

This is such an awesome performance, the Concert for New York City, held 6 weeks after 9-11 at MSG (http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/276934/david-bowie-911-concert-video/) with Bowie opening the show with Simon and Garfunkel's "America" and then launching into "Heroes."

The new special memorial issue of Time includes comments from Bowie after Sept 11, where he says he was in Woodstock NY recording "Heathen" when 9-11 happened and he couldn't get back into the city to get back to his wife and daughter in SoHo for days, and when he was finally allowed back in, he was denied access until his wife brought his passport from home to the barricades so he could show the guys at the barricades that he lived there.

[screwdriver]

I think a few of the droney "brrrsssssszzzzzzsrrrrrrszzzzz" swarm-y guitar tones on With Teeth and Year Zero are the Parker Fly with all strings tuned to one note, and I think the main riffs in "Big Come Down" (Aaron plays one in BYIT) and a few other tracks on The Fragile were recorded on one as well, which is a little closer to Gabrels' technique. I know Belew's guitar parts for Ghosts I-IV used one, too, where they went a lot more aggressive with the noise pedals.

my understanding is that Trent's drone-y Parker Fly one-note technique originated on the Fragile. It is, for example, the guitars on Please during the chorus. Source: my vast nin-nerdery

[fillow]

Another gem that's surfaced only recently...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSx3uT9cJ04

[Frozen Beach]

I've never told anyone this, but I swear I heard Up The Hill Backwards before actually hearing it. I have this weird memory of the song tied to visuals from a Rainbow Brite movie as though I saw a music video, but I have no idea why. Nobody in my family listened to David Bowie and we didn't have internet (and internet at the time wasn't really the youtube/fanvid days anyway). I remember seeing it on a tv. When I first heard Up The Hill Backwards, I had the strongest sense deja vu feeling I've ever had. I'm 24 and I've never been able to figure this out.

[Space Suicide]

I've never told anyone this, but I swear I heard Up The Hill Backwards before actually hearing it. I have this weird memory of the song tied to visuals from a Rainbow Brite movie as though I saw a music video, but I have no idea why. Nobody in my family listened to David Bowie and we didn't have internet (and internet at the time wasn't really the youtube/fanvid days anyway). I remember seeing it on a tv. When I first heard Up The Hill Backwards, I had the strongest sense deja vu feeling I've ever had. I'm 24 and I've never been able to figure this out.

I really like that song, shame some call it a weak point of Scary Monsters.

[Frozen Beach]

I really like that song, shame some call it a weak point of Scary Monsters.
It's one of my favorite songs on the album. I get chills when I listen to it. Though my absolute favorite on the album is Teenage Wildlife. That fucking guitar is amazing and so is David's voice on that track.

[thevoid99]

I know how polarizing Tin Machine is for some but you have to admit, this cover of Pixie's "Debaser" is pretty fucking sick:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfrRWQ0RHE0

[Frozen Beach]

I've never actually listened to Tin Machine, or any of David's albums between Let's Dance and Outside. I'm gonna end up doing it this months. Who knows, maybe I'll like some of it.

Also, for Tin Machine, there's a boot for some studio takes/outtakes on What that looks interesting. Has some stuff that's not been released.

[allegro]

The Time Magazine Bowie Memorial issue (His Life on Earth (https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/timebowiebaz-noupc-front.jpg?quality=75&strip=color&w=1100)) includes the Entertainment Weekly interview from 1997 (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/11/david-bowie-50th-birthday-ew-interview), which includes this:

EW: I’ve been asking people for their favorite David Bowie incarnations; Hunky Dory [1971] and Ziggy Stardust [1972] are the clear winners. Your favorites?

Bowie: Station to Station [1976] and Low [1977]. Some of my best work was in those two albums. I understand Hunky Dory and Ziggy; they are indeed a lot more hummable.

[Space Suicide]

The Time Magazine Bowie Memorial issue (His Life on Earth (https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/timebowiebaz-noupc-front.jpg?quality=75&strip=color&w=1100)) includes the Entertainment Weekly interview from 1997 (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/11/david-bowie-50th-birthday-ew-interview), which includes this:

EW: I’ve been asking people for their favorite David Bowie incarnations; Hunky Dory [1971] and Ziggy Stardust [1972] are the clear winners. Your favorites?

Bowie: Station to Station [1976] and Low [1977]. Some of my best work was in those two albums. I understand Hunky Dory and Ziggy; they are indeed a lot more hummable.

I just bought this magazine today!

[allegro]

Also, the Bowie and Moby interview from 2002 is hilarious (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/11/david-bowie-moby-ew-cover-2002). (also in that Time magazine issue)

[SaintNoir]

I've never actually listened to Tin Machine, or any of David's albums between Let's Dance and Outside. I'm gonna end up doing it this months. Who knows, maybe I'll like some of it.

I really, really enjoy Black Tie, White Noise. I find it to be one of his more underrated albums, personally.

[Space Suicide]

I really, really enjoy Black Tie, White Noise. I find it to be one of his more underrated albums, personally.

I also stand behind this album and much of the music around the sounds from it (Heathen and 'hours...' both sound similar to me). This is one of my favorite 90's Bowie songs, which is no feat as the mighty Outside and Earthling reside here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rht01wob5B4

[elevenism]

Psst... Trent has used a Parker Fly onstage since the Fragility tour. Dave Navarro and Adrian Belew have used one onstage, too.
i don't think i said Reeves Gabrel was the only person who has ever played a parker fly...
i just said that i;ve never SEEN anyone else play one onstage

[elevenism]

Who does cool bowie covers?
i've been working on a half time acoustic ballad version of Modern Love and i'm thinking of recording it.
I feel like the only cool way to do a bowie cover is to make it different from the original, but that's just me. I used to do Absolute Beginners at open mic though.

Anyway, i thought it might be cool to do an "ETS covers DB" tribute album.

Is anybody down?
@Jinsai (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=272) @eversonpoe (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=588) @neorev (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=584) @wizfan (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=94) @Leviathant (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1) screwdriver

[frankie teardrop]

a band i was in once did a pretty straightforward rip of 'heroes' at practice a few times before we split. i've considered a cover, but it seems like hallowed ground to me. most bowie covers i've heard have missed the mark (with only a handful of exceptions) so the pressure would be too much for me, i reckon!

[elevenism]

a band i was in once did a pretty straightforward rip of 'heroes' at practice a few times before we split. i've considered a cover, but it seems like hallowed ground to me. most bowie covers i've heard have missed the mark (with only a handful of exceptions) so the pressure would be too much for me, i reckon!
that's kind of why i generally avoid doing a straightforward rip. Make it totally different from the original, and you aren't trying to "make a good copy" of it.
It becomes a totally different thing.
My modern love is with guitar chords and about 70 bpm

[neorev]

Who does cool bowie covers?
i've been working on a half time acoustic ballad version of Modern Love and i'm thinking of recording it.
I feel like the only cool way to do a bowie cover is to make it different from the original, but that's just me. I used to do Absolute Beginners at open mic though.

Anyway, i thought it might be cool to do an "ETS covers DB" tribute album.

Is anybody down?
@Jinsai (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=272) @eversonpoe (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=588) @neorev (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=584) @wizfan (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=94) @Leviathant (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1) @screwdriver (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=380)

Could be interesting... hmmmm, which Bowie song can I destroy? :)

[thevoid99]

The Time Magazine Bowie Memorial issue (His Life on Earth (https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/timebowiebaz-noupc-front.jpg?quality=75&strip=color&w=1100)) includes the Entertainment Weekly interview from 1997 (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/11/david-bowie-50th-birthday-ew-interview), which includes this:

EW: I’ve been asking people for their favorite David Bowie incarnations; Hunky Dory [1971] and Ziggy Stardust [1972] are the clear winners. Your favorites?

Bowie: Station to Station [1976] and Low [1977]. Some of my best work was in those two albums. I understand Hunky Dory and Ziggy; they are indeed a lot more hummable.


I also stand behind this album and much of the music around the sounds from it (Heathen and 'hours...' both sound similar to me). This is one of my favorite 90's Bowie songs, which is no feat as the mighty Outside and Earthling reside here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rht01wob5B4

I just bought that issue a few days ago for $14. It's worth the money.

That track is something I would love to be played at my wedding as I think it's one of the best opening tracks.... ever.

[piggy]

i don't think i said Reeves Gabrel was the only person who has ever played a parker fly...
i just said that i;ve never SEEN anyone else play one onstage
I know, sorry. Like I said, I interpreted your post poorly.

[onthewall2983]

And Stevie Ray Vaughan later bitched that Bowie was a cheapskate and didn't pay him enough ... :)

Also upset that the "Let's Dance" video shows DB playing his solos.

He wrote some liner notes for a live album of the Montreux Jazz Festival appearance about a decade ago, and said that later on he and SRV reconciled their differences shortly before his helicopter accident. I believe he even attended the funeral too.

[eversonpoe]

Who does cool bowie covers?
i've been working on a half time acoustic ballad version of Modern Love and i'm thinking of recording it.
I feel like the only cool way to do a bowie cover is to make it different from the original, but that's just me. I used to do Absolute Beginners at open mic though.

Anyway, i thought it might be cool to do an "ETS covers DB" tribute album.

Is anybody down?
@Jinsai (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=272) @eversonpoe (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=588) @neorev (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=584) @wizfan (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=94) @Leviathant (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=1) @screwdriver (http://www.echoingthesound.org/community/member.php?u=380)

i generally avoid covers unless it's something super duper important to me. (that said, i have done some REALLY BAD covers of cars by gary numan, eye by smashing pumpkins, and haemoglobin by placebo. and a good cover of at the heart of it all by nin/aphex twin).

two of the three other members of my band really want to cover Lazarus but i keep saying no, unless we get a horn section. also, it's a beautiful but fucking depressing song. i want to cover something that's going to make people have FUN.

[elevenism]

i generally avoid covers unless it's something super duper important to me. (that said, i have done some REALLY BAD covers of cars by gary numan, eye by smashing pumpkins, and haemoglobin by placebo. and a good cover of at the heart of it all by nin/aphex twin).

two of the three other members of my band really want to cover Lazarus but i keep saying no, unless we get a horn section. also, it's a beautiful but fucking depressing song. i want to cover something that's going to make people have FUN.
i feel you. it was worth a try.
the one i am doing is happy.
i only do covers if i can come up with a novel version of the song.
i had modern love in my head and tried some chords, and it sounded right. It was hard to get that fast rhythm out of my head (those horns going "dada-da dada-da" for instance) but i kept at it, and i've got it now.
So i've got like a half time acoustic version i think i'm gonna make a trappy beat for it and maybe a couple of interesting electronic sounds-either that, or find an old royalty free hip-hop beat.
One of the cooler covers i have done in my day is Voodoo People, with a band i was in years and years ago. We did all the electronic parts on 2 guitars, drums and a bass.
I do a heavy cover of Wicked Game by Chris Issac. I do a combination of Love Song and Babe I'm Gonna Leave You that always trips people out (how ever far away-i'm never gonna LEEEEAVE YOU!!!) And i play Landslide, but only because my mother played it for me as a lullaby (so that's in the super duper important category ;) )

I guess it's gonna be the JLYI and Neorev ep.
eversonpoe , where's that Cars cover? :) i bet it's not as bad as you think

[imail724]

So obviously Tonight and Never Let Me Down are generally considered Bowie's worst albums, but does anyone else really dislike Black Tie White Noise and Earthling? I just can't get into either of those albums, they seem too... dated I suppose.

[henryeatscereal]

Earthling is in my top 10, honestly, i understand that some might not dig the "90's electro sound", but i think it's fuckin' awesome and "Seven Years in Tibet" is one of my favorite songs from the "90's Bowie".

[ChipRock]

I love Black Tie, although mainly because it was my first self bought contemporary Bowie record. There are a couple of songs worth skipping maybe, but there's some great stuff also. I mean - how is this not completely amazing?


https://youtu.be/ZZ_Fl3Ed7dk

Earthling is another matter though. I'd loved Outside, and the PSB remix of Hallo Spaceboy was genius, but the Earthling singles didn't really grab me at the time. To be honest I thought Bowie was trying a bit too hard with the Drum & Bass thing. Outside worked by mixing some industrial rock with jazz and vaguely experimental sounds, but anything I heard from Earthling sounded bland by comparison. In hindsight though I think I was a little harsh, and I need to give a bit of time to going through the album tracks. I have a feeling I may end up liking it quite a lot, but I certainly understand anyone not quite getting it.

[imail724]

To be honest I thought Bowie was trying a bit too hard with the Drum & Bass thing. Outside worked by mixing some industrial rock with jazz and vaguely experimental sounds, but anything I heard from Earthling sounded bland by comparison.
Exactly this. It just feels like its trying too hard to sound like everything else that was coming out at the time, and doesn't really hold up like most of his other albums.

That being said, Hours is the only Bowie album I've never bothered listening to until today because I've always heard it's so bad, and... I'm kind of digging it. Definitely ranking it above BTWN, Earthling, and the two mid-late 80s albums.

[Shadaloo]

BTWN kind of peters out 2/3 of the way in, but everything before that is killer - I even love the title track. And I love the slick production

Earthling, on the other hand, is uneven through and through, if still quite enjoyable. A few very great songs, but I almost never get further than Dead Man Walking, and the NIN remix of IAOA is just superior.

[henryeatscereal]

"Hours" is very underrated, an undiscovered gem, i can't believe the bad reviews, even the ones for "Earthling" make more sense.

"Never Let me down" has to be my least favorite Bowie album...

[frankie teardrop]

the deram album holds that title for me. i like maybe one or two tracks and can't really stand the rest of it. tonight and never let me down have a handful of gems, each. hours has grown on me over the years as well. none of those three are in regular rotation, but hit the spot once in a while.

i do have HUGE love for 'loving the alien' and think it's his best non-soundtrack/offshoot track of the 80s, so there's that, too.

[armogi]

The leon suite leaked on lossless quality! Now keeping my fingers crossed for a lossless version of Toy...

[elevenism]

i don't what in the fuck you guys are talking about.

Earthling was fucking incredible.
And it's certainly not all dnb. It has, what, 3 dnb tracks? And none of those 3 are pure dnb.
He was trying to sound like everything else that was coming out at the time?
I've never heard anything that sounds like earthling.

[imail724]

i do have HUGE love for 'loving the alien' and think it's his best non-soundtrack/offshoot track of the 80s, so there's that, too.
Wait... is that including everything off Scary Monsters and Let's Dance?

[orestes]

I know this was brought up a few pages back but the entire episode of Live by Request.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnnY_Z9OtC0

[wizfan]

elevenism I'm down with the idea. send me anything you want.

[onthewall2983]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGNRaUOg6JE

[elevenism]

I know this was brought up a few pages back but the entire episode of Live by Request.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnnY_Z9OtC0
i adore that show. bowie, as he got older, became SO gracious, as well as being utterly endearing in a gentlemanly way as opposed to a rock god way.
I think that had something to do with finally being comfortable as his TRUE self-not ziggy, not even Bowie, but Jonesy (as he called himself in the LBR video.)

[elevenism]

"Never Let me down" has to be my least favorite Bowie album...

Sorry for double post, but i LOVE Time Will Crawl. (and the pills that i took/made my fingers disappear)

[arsenic]

An HD version of 'Heroes' from 2002 Montreux Jazz festival surfaced today

http://www.montreuxjazz.com/live-selection-david-bowie-heroes-18-july-2002

the festival has been using HD cameras since 1991 (!)

[neorev]

i don't what in the fuck you guys are talking about.

Earthling was fucking incredible.
And it's certainly not all dnb. It has, what, 3 dnb tracks? And none of those 3 are pure dnb.
He was trying to sound like everything else that was coming out at the time?
I've never heard anything that sounds like earthling.

Huge Earthling fan here. There is no other album out there that sounds like it. It's my favorite Bowie album. Outside is second.

[allegro]

I think that had something to do with finally being comfortable as his TRUE self-not ziggy, not even Bowie, but Jonesy (as he called himself in the LBR video.)

He said being off drugs was the main reason, and staying home with his family. He CREATED those personas to keep his personal self separate from any public persona, since he was so private. But the excess drugs started to blur the line between real self and persona.

Bowie openly admitted that Earthling was created during a period when he was particularly obsessed with drum & bass, techno, and electronic dance music. He said he thought drum & bass was very similar to jazz fusion, but with break beats. He said he was always interested in dance music; but he bitched that Americans don't seem to be as obsessed with it as the Brits.

[emptydesk]

Bowie always had trouble connecting with American audiences. Look at how Ziggy was received stateside, versus say Alice Cooper who was close to the same thing but replaced the sexual/gender elements with horror/violence. There's something to be said for YOUNG AMERICANS and LET'S DANCE being his best crossovers here.

[allegro]

Bowie always had trouble connecting with American audiences. Look at how Ziggy was received stateside, versus say Alice Cooper who was close to the same thing but replaced the sexual/gender elements with horror/violence. There's something to be said for YOUNG AMERICANS and LET'S DANCE being his best crossovers here.
Alice wasn't received well at first, either. Ziggy was in 1972, Alice Cooper's 3rd and 4th albums, Love it to Death and Killer were in 1971, which pre-dated Ziggy, and the only reason Love it to Death had any success at all was due to a Canadian AM radio station that had a HUGE tower, CKLW, and a very powerful and very intuitive music program director (Rosalie Trombley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalie_Trombley)), who was a known "hit-maker" who pulled out "I'm Eighteen" as a single (which wasn't intended as a single) and put it on repeat rotation -- otherwise Alice and company might still be playing local Detroit bars today. The Alice Cooper Band was big in Detroit and on AOR but was pretty meh around the rest of America. It wasn't until 1973's Billion Dollar Babies that Alice hit it REALLY big. (Dennis Dunaway talks about "I'm Eighteen here. (http://www.glidemagazine.com/23169/dennis-dunaway-of-original-alice-cooper-band/))

Remember, this was Alice Cooper in 1971: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vozLrSIrtU

The American Ziggy tour "success" was "created" by Tony Defries by having an entourage following Bowie around everywhere and spending money as if Bowie was already famous, even though he was broke and wasn't.

Also, Bowie's 1983 American leg of the Serious Moonlight tour was very successful, with sold-out arenas; and Bowie hated the "greatest hits" aspect of it. So he made sure he did the opposite for the following Glass Spiders tour. He was repeatedly quoted as hating live performance and hated the crowd-pleasing formula.

Bowie ALWAYS had a very big audience in certain American cities, though, like Detroit and Cleveland and Philly.

Bowie played six nights (October 15 - 20) at Detroit's Michigan Palace Theater in 1973. (The Michigan Palace is now a parking garage (https://afterthefinalcurtain.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/michigan_theatre_08.jpg), some of it appears in Eminem's "8 Mile.")

But Bowie ended up being really really smart, going from a penniless guy post-Ziggy tour to eventually issuing Bowie Bonds (http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6843009/david-bowies-bowie-bonds-55-million-wall-street-prudential), a very innovative concept.

[fillow]

An HD version of 'Heroes' from 2002 Montreux Jazz festival surfaced today

http://www.montreuxjazz.com/live-selection-david-bowie-heroes-18-july-2002

the festival has been using HD cameras since 1991 (!)
Actually, the whole show in pro-shot has just now started making rounds on the torrent sites.
It's one of the shows where Bowie played Low in full and in order.

[Findus]

Earthling is in my top 10, honestly, i understand that some might not dig the "90's electro sound", but i think it's fuckin' awesome and "Seven Years in Tibet" is one of my favorite songs from the "90's Bowie".

I seem to recall reading an article years back, where Bowie said some of the sound of Earthling was inspired by listening to A Guy Called Gerald (who also remixed Telling Lies). Perhaps it was the 1995 album Black Secret Technology that he listened to.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCGxONS9QDY

[henryeatscereal]

Sorry for double post, but i LOVE Time Will Crawl. (and the pills that i took/made my fingers disappear)
I like the remixed version better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojBFJkbTzaA


I seem to recall reading an article years back, where Bowie said some of the sound of Earthling was inspired by listening to A Guy Called Gerald (who also remixed Telling Lies). Perhaps it was the 1995 album Black Secret Technology that he listened to.
Nice! thanks for the info, i know "A Guy Called Gerald" because the "24 Hour Party People" film, but i wasn't familiar with that album, i'm checking out after work!

[Shadaloo]

I think a few of the problems with NLMD stem from an overlong tracklist nobody gave enough of a shit to organize and think through properly. I know for a a damn sight I'd have had "Glass Spider" up first, put 'Julie' on there, had 'Zeroes' then 'Day-In Day-Out' last, and completely ditched the awful 'Bang Bang' Iggy cover, as well as '87 and Cry', and 'New York's In Love'. Straight to the way of 'Too Dizzy'. Those were b-side material at best.

But, uh...ahem....Shining Star (Making My Love) is just catchy and fun, including the Mickey Rourke rap, and anyone who sez otherwise can suck it. :p

My ideal order, I think:

Glass Spider
Time Will Crawl
Beat Of Your Drum
Shining Star (Making My Love)
Never Let Me Down
Julie
Zeroes
Day-In, Day-Out

A lot of that album is very listenable if not stellar. I'd hardly consider it his worst (that dubious honor goes to Tonight, and it hurts because a few more like Loving the Alien and you'd have an album which, as far as I'm concerned, would be a blazing example of 80's production done well, if such a thing is possible).

Two of my favorites from this period are Time Will Crawl and When the Wind Blows. He did his most inspired work with nuclear fallout on the mind.

[Frozen Beach]

I understand why people don't like Tonight now. That marimba especially makes everything worse. The covers are also pretty weak, and the only song I find memorable is Loving The Alien, but even that is stained by cheesy production. At least the material he did for Labyrinth is charming in its cheesy production.

[eversonpoe]

I understand why people don't like Tonight now. That marimba especially makes everything worse. The covers are also pretty weak, and the only song I find memorable is Loving The Alien, but even that is stained by cheesy production. At least the material he did for Labyrinth is charming in its cheesy production.

it's really funny, too, because one of my favorite parts of Tom Waits' 80s albums is the marimba.

[Frozen Beach]

it's really funny, too, because one of my favorite parts of Tom Waits' 80s albums is the marimba.
And another funny thing is that I actually don't mind the instrument in those albums. But here, it sounds like some cheesy tropical music.

[thevoid99]

I'm now sure how many of us have heard this cover of "Nature Boy" but for anyone that knows Bowie's life knows that one of his mother's favorite singers was Nat King Cole. Bowie's vocals is on top with this song and this is a phenomenal cover.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ0x7AkUi44

[Mantra]

Never Let Me Down


Yeah, I pretty much agree with your whole assessment of this album. In general, it seems to be really underrated. The later part of the album definitely weaker, no doubt, but the first half is actually really solid. I always thought the hate for this one was unwarranted. In particular, I think the title has one of the best melodies/chord progressions in pop music. I love the way it evokes that old crooner/RnB style of songwriting from way back in the day.

[elevenism]

He was repeatedly quoted as hating live performance and hated the crowd-pleasing formula.

I remember being really surprised as a teenager when i heard him say that he would rather be curled up with a good book than on tour, but it makes more sense to me now, especially his disdain for the "greatest hits" formula. I'm sure it's frustrating when you're full of new music and anxious to share it, only to realize that most people don't care about what you've been working on and would prefer to be presented with something you showed them a long time ago.

On that note: are there good bootlegs of the Glass Spider tour out there? I read that the ABC version was woefully incomplete, to the point that it "obliterated" the intended theme.

[Jinsai]

I remember being really surprised as a teenager when i heard him say that he would rather be curled up with a good book than on tour, but it makes more sense to me now, especially his disdain for the "greatest hits" formula. I'm sure it's frustrating when you're full of new music and anxious to share it, only to realize that most people don't care about what you've been working on and would prefer to be presented with something you showed them a long time ago.

On that note: are there good bootlegs of the Glass Spider tour out there? I read that the ABC version was woefully incomplete, to the point that it "obliterated" the intended theme.


But he's talking about the shows where he felt like he had to grind out the hits... the clip of him playing that track off Earthling with Robert Smith for his birthday... he looks like the most alive, fired-up performer ever having the time of his life. I think every career musician grows to hate aspects of the live show. Even on the lowest, most basic level of pub performing, it can be a bit of a drag in a lot of particular ways.

[elevenism]

But he's talking about the shows where he felt like he had to grind out the hits... the clip of him playing that track off Earthling with Robert Smith for his birthday... he looks like the most alive, fired-up performer ever having the time of his life. I think every career musician grows to hate aspects of the live show. Even on the lowest, most basic level of pub performing, it can be a bit of a drag in a lot of particular ways.
Funny, i just got up from watching that show :)

[Frozen Beach]

Apparently the Outside outtakes aren't actually outtakes

Paperdragon, Bowie Station:


"I talked to one of the musicians who is on this and got a more complete story. First, these aren’t outtakes at all and, second, they weren’t initially intended to be a Bowie album. The idea was to form a sort of supergroup behind Bowie and Eno, and record an album as a one-off project for that group. This is essentially that album. So what we have here is a fully-realized concept album for a group that never came into existence.


It was then presented to the record company, who as we all know rejected it as “uncommercial.” After that, Bowie used parts of it as the basis for an entirely new project, which became 1.Outside. So, had this been released, Outside would have never happened. So, rather than this being outtakes from Outside, it’s actually more true that Outside was based on outtakes from The Leon Suites, an album in its own right."

[allegro]

But he's talking about the shows where he felt like he had to grind out the hits... the clip of him playing that track off Earthling with Robert Smith for his birthday... he looks no, like the most alive, fired-up performer ever having the time of his life. I think every career musician grows to hate aspects of the live show. Even on the lowest, most basic level of pub performing, it can be a bit of a drag in a lot of particular ways.

He always looked good performing but, no, I can link lots of interviews where he said he preferred writing and album-recording to live performance and did not love the live performance (particularly touring) aspects of his career. He DID it, could look good doing it, I suppose the birthday bash was especially enjoyable because it was celebrating his birthday, in his honor, loaded with all his friends and peers, but it was what it was. He reminds me of Eno, who at one point with Roxy Music decided to never tour again when he realized (after several dates into the tour) that he was compiling a "To Do" list in his head.

Here is an NPR interview, for instance (http://www.npr.org/2016/01/11/462653510/david-bowie-on-the-ziggy-stardust-years-we-were-creating-the-21st-century-in-197).


GROSS: How is your sense of yourself as a performer different now at the age of 55 than it was when you were in your 20s and getting started and being - when you were in persona and doing the whole, you know, eye makeup and dyed hair and dresses when you wanted to?

BOWIE: Yeah, that was for 18 months, actually.

GROSS: Right.

BOWIE: Which out of a career of nearly 40 years, is not very long. However, I'll answer your question (laughter). I'm not actually a very keen performer. I like putting shows together. I like putting events together. In fact, everything I do is about the conceptualizing and realization of a piece of work, whether it's the recording or the performance side. And kind of when I put the thing together, I don't mind doing it for a few weeks, but then, quite frankly, I get incredibly, incredibly bored because I don't see myself so much as a - I mean, I don't live for the stage. I don't live for an audience. That really doesn't...

GROSS: Can I stop you and say that I'm really surprised to hear that?

BOWIE: Yeah. Most people are.

GROSS: Yeah, because...

BOWIE: I think...

GROSS: ...I always thought of you as somebody who really relished the theater aspect of performance...

BOWIE: No.

GROSS: ...And who very successfully made theater a part of music performance.

BOWIE: Frankly, if I could get away with not having to perform, I'd be very happy. It's not my favorite thing to do. As I say, I don't mind trying it out and making sure something seems to work well. But I really do rather want to move on because I think it's rather a waste of time endlessly singing the same songs every night for a year, and it's just not what I want to do. What I like doing is writing and recording and much more on the, I guess, the - on that creative level. It's fun interpreting songs and all that, but I wouldn't like it as a living.

GROSS: Did you grow up thinking of yourself as a singer, or did you start singing because you wanted to sing, you know, because you wanted to perform?

BOWIE: No, I want - I start - what I wanted to do when I was 9 years old, I wanted to be the baritone sax player in the Little Richard band. I probably also wanted to be black at that particular time as well (laughter). And so I got my father to help me out with the saxophone. And we bought it over, like, a two-year period. We had something in Britain then called the hire-purchase system, or HP. And I bought it on HP, which is like you pay two and sixpence a week.

GROSS: Oh, buying it on time?

BOWIE: Yeah, over, like, a thousand years. So at the end it cost you maybe twice as much as if you could have afforded cash (laughter).

GROSS: Right.

BOWIE: And I started playing around with local rock bands, you know, with the alto. And then, in a nutshell, somebody fell ill one night, the lead singer of one of the bands, and they knew I could sing, so they asked me if I would stand in. And I quite enjoyed it, actually, I must say, at 14. It was a real trip, you know, to have girls wave at you and smile and everything just because you opened your mouth and sang. And - but really, I guess - but, no, I really wanted to do, more than anything else, up until I was around 16, 17, was write musicals.

GROSS: Was write music.

BOWIE: Musicals.

GROSS: Oh, musicals.

BOWIE: I really wanted to write musicals. That's what I wanted to do more than anything else. And it kind of - because I liked rock music, I kind of moved into that sphere, somehow thinking that somewhere along the line I'd be able to put the two together. And I suppose I very nearly did with the Ziggy character. But I had such short attention span and got disinterested so quickly after I created some kind of project that I wanted to move on. And I never really got the book together for the thing, so I had all the songs and the characters. But by the time we'd gotten it on the road and I'd been doing it for 18 months, oh God, I couldn't wait to move on to something else.

GROSS: So when you say you wanted to write musicals, did you want to write, like, Rodgers and Hart kind of musicals or "Hair"? I mean, what was...

BOWIE: No, that was my point.

GROSS: Yeah.

BOWIE: No, my point was I wanted to rewrite how rock music was perceived.

GROSS: Oh, I see. Yeah, right.

BOWIE: And I thought that I could do some kind of vehicle involving rock musicals and presenting rock and characters and storyline in a completely different fashion.

GROSS: So was singing something you started doing to come - so that you could do that kind of theater?

BOWIE: It was - well, it was the conception that, I mean, God, I would love to have handed it on to somebody else. And I guess Ziggy would have been the perfect vehicle to have done with. I don't know why, to this day, I didn't find some other kid, after I'd done it for like six months, and said, here you are. Put the wig on and send him out and do the gigs, you know. I mean, it would have been much the best thing to do. And then I could have moved on quicker to something else.

But that comes back to what I was saying. I needed to sing because nobody else was singing my songs.

GROSS: Right.

BOWIE: So I had to do it myself.

[thevoid99]

I heard the song "Girls" last night. Why was that a B-side? It was too good to be a B-side and should've improved Never Let Me Down along with "Julie".

[Frozen Beach]

So having heard Never Let Me Down last night, it's much better than Tonight. However, the only track that's really memorable to me is Time Will Crawl.

Onto Tin Machine

[frankie teardrop]

speaking of tin machine, fans out outside would do well to check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_x6JzOIRCA

[henryeatscereal]

I remember the first time i heard Tin Machine:
It was the performance they did in 1991 at Saturday Night Live (Macaulay Culkin was guest host), i wasn't familiar with Bowie's full discography and i had no idea he had an "outside group" from his very own solo work.
I remember liking the song ("Baby universal") and me looking for the album in my local record store (with no luck, remember this was pre-amazon days...)

[thevoid99]

I remember the first time i heard Tin Machine:
It was the performance they did in 1991 at Saturday Night Live (Macaulay Culkin was guest host), i wasn't familiar with Bowie's full discography and i had no idea he had an "outside group" from his very own solo work.
I remember liking the song ("Baby universal") and me looking for the album in my local record store (with no luck, remember this was pre-amazon days...)

I remember that episode. I enjoyed "Baby Universal" as well as what Bowie was doing lyrically while it was a full-on band. I also loved the fact that Bowie had Macaulay wear his fedora hat at the end of the show.

[henryeatscereal]

I remember that episode. I enjoyed "Baby Universal" as well as what Bowie was doing lyrically while it was a full-on band. I also loved the fact that Bowie had Macaulay wear his fedora hat at the end of the show.
I just remembered that!, yeah, i used to love SNL and Macaulay back in the day, now that episode is extra special because it featured one one my favorite musicians...

[orestes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAWVuigfQI4

[Substance242]

Listened to Earthling yesterday evening, and now I still have these great parts alternating in my head: "Don't you let my letter get you down" and then "I PRAISE TO YOU", mega intense moments.

[Jinsai]

wow...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdL3NR9Yno0

"I think the internet... I don't think we've even seen the tip of the ice-berg, I think the potential of what the internet is going to do to society, both good and bad, is unimaginable. I think we're actually on the cusp of something both exhilarating and terrifying."

"It's just a tool though, isn't it?"

"No... it's not, no... it's an alien life form."

[Space Suicide]

Big enthusiasm. He's not wrong.

I like anything from 1993-1999 involving him so props for sharing.

[baudolino]

It always amazes me how patient he was with retarded interviewers.

[allegro]

"I think the internet... I don't think we've even seen the tip of the ice-berg, I think the potential of what the internet is going to do to society, both good and bad, is unimaginable. I think we're actually on the cusp of something both exhilarating and terrifying."
He really was right, though, we've barely scratched the surface of what is possible, once we get past this crazy marketing phase we're in right now. First phase: Unknown and vanity ("I kiss you! (http://www.vanderzande.com/nerdcult/media/Welcome%20to%20my%20home%20page%20!%20Kiss%20you%2 0!!!!!!!!!!!!_files/index_files/081199.htm)"), Second phase: Marketing (ads, Facebook, social networking), then beyond.

Of course, Bowie started his own ISP (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/11/david-bowie-bowienet-isp-internet).

[seasonsinthesky]

speaking of tin machine, fans out outside would do well to check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_x6JzOIRCA

When it hits the "Outside" verse at 2:44 and then on from there, it's AWESOME. The song is suited so well to the harder edge. He easily could've done a reprise at the end of the record with a harder version and not bothered with the re-recording of "Strangers When We Meet."

[allegro]

David Bowie on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson in 1980:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkefglL9c4c

[Nyx]

It always amazes me how patient he was with retarded interviewers.Well, sometimes he got annoyed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPi0mkWkTco

[Frozen Beach]

and not bothered with the re-recording of "Strangers When We Meet."
But that rerecording is a million times better than the one on The Buddha Of Suburbia

[allegro]

David Bowie was going to be a grandfather in June (https://twitter.com/rodeneronquillo/status/697506383214702592).

[thevoid99]

David Bowie was going to be a grandfather in June (https://twitter.com/rodeneronquillo/status/697506383214702592).

That grandchild would be surrounded by good people. Not just the parents but also those that knew the child's grandfather. I'm crying again.

[orestes]

Me too. :/

[allegro]

Meanwhile, Iman posted this on Instagram today (https://www.instagram.com/p/BBmyKyDsw9t/).

edit: She posted and tweeted this yesterday (https://twitter.com/The_Real_IMAN/status/697040335285960704). Teddy Antolin played matchmaker and fixed up Iman with Bowie.

[thevoid99]

Aw man. That was a good dude. Thank you Teddy for playing matchmaker.

[implanted_microchip]

But that rerecording is a million times better than the one on The Buddha Of Suburbia
Seriously, it's my favorite song on Outside. Wouldn't ever want to hear that record without it.

[Ryan]

I only just read this now. I knew about the 5 demos, but not the Blackstar out takes -

http://www.stereogum.com/1853111/david-bowie-planned-one-more-album-after-blackstar/video/


In addition to the five new demos Bowie recorded in his final weeks, there are also five completed songs left over from the Blackstar sessions that have yet to be released, as Sasha Frere-Jones reports in a piece on the making of Blackstar for The Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-ca-ms-david-bowie-essay-20160110-story.html).

[Shadaloo]

I would like to think that if Bowie saw that card - hell, maybe even if he didn't - that somewhere, tucked away, sits a form of media, be it an LP, CD, or file on a hard drive. And it contains a song written just for that grandchild. For their ears only when they grew up, or as a lullabye, or something. Because it was David Bowie, and that man had a plan for everything, damn it.

[seasonsinthesky]

Seriously, it's my favorite song on Outside. Wouldn't ever want to hear that record without it.

You must be quite disturbed by the Excerpts from Outside vinyl tracklist, then.

(I am too, but because it drops "No Control.")

The very nature of SWWM being a Buddha song leaves it... unfitting. Obviously Bowie saw some reason to include it originally, but with Version 2.0 dropping "Wishful Beginnings" (another travesty!) and the excerpts vinyl being produced presumably under his purview, one sees an implied sense of revision going on.

[imail724]

Is it just me or does the yelling "SATELLIIIIIIIITE" in Looking For Satellites sound EXACTLY like Tunde Adebimpe from TV On The Radio? It certainly doesn't sound like Bowie. If this song came out a few years later I would be absolutely convinced it was him, given that Bowie appeared on TOTR's song Province in 2006. But given it was recorded in the late 90s, gonna assume it's not him.

[elevenism]

Good god i got a kick out of rewatching that 50th birthday show.

[Frozen Beach]

What's the difference between the album version of The Heart's Filthy Lesson and the "Bowie Mix" that's on the Australian bonus disc?
edit: also unrelated, but did you guys know about this? I did. I forgot about it though. It really is interesting to explore these program

http://www-static.us.worlds.net/cgi-bin/download/download.cgi?action=full&bundle=BowieNMCurrentVer (http://www-static.us.worlds.net/cgi-bin/download/download.cgi?action=full&bundle=BowieNMCurrentVer)


http://www.dailydot.com/technology/david-bowie-world-virtual-3d/ (http://www.dailydot.com/technology/david-bowie-world-virtual-3d/)

[imail724]

Did Bowie do any interviews or television appearances or anything during The Next Day era? I'm curious what his last interview was and I keep seeing an interview he did when he guested on Extras around 2006, is that really the last time he was filmed outside of music videos and paparazzi stuff?

[screwdriver]

Did Bowie do any interviews or television appearances or anything during The Next Day era? I'm curious what his last interview was and I keep seeing an interview he did when he guested on Extras around 2006, is that really the last time he was filmed outside of music videos and paparazzi stuff?

no, he didn't do anything for TND

[emptydesk]

I'm going to take a wild guess that uploading stuff directly, even if its mostly OOP or bootleg material, isn't kosher. I made these mixes built off the Rykodisc bonus tracks, padded out with bootleg and live stuff. PM me if you want links.

http://i.imgur.com/mm9rrI1.png?1

http://i.imgur.com/2Z9XmEF.png?1

http://i.imgur.com/t9oStYr.png?1

http://i.imgur.com/oeeCPX3.png?1

http://i.imgur.com/WpT2wjL.png?1

All 320kbps MP3 from lossless sources. Audio quality on bootleg material varies, but I usually compared a few sources for it all.

[orestes]

David Bowie-Five Years available to stream until Monday. (http://www.pbs.org/program/david-bowie-five-years/)

[thevoid99]

The Five Years doc I believe is something every Bowie fan should see.

A few weeks ago, I read this article from the Guardian about Bowie as one of his relatives were interviewed and talked about how good he was to the family despite the tragedy that related to his half-brother Terry and the people in their mother's family in their battle with mental illness: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/12095272/David-Bowies-Yorkshire-relatives-share-family-snaps-as-they-recall-Davy-Crockett-hats-and-haircut-disasters.html

Plus, I also liked this picture of Bowie, his mum, and Duncan?:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03547/David_Bowie_and_so_3547509b.jpg

For someone that was an icon, he was also a good man.

[Space Suicide]

David Bowie-Five Years available to stream until Monday. (http://www.pbs.org/program/david-bowie-five-years/)

I watched it on VH1 classic last weekend. I also recommend it, sadly it doesn't deviate much from 70's-80's output, which is fine since those are essentially the best years of his career.

[orestes]

Would have been nice if they had covered every album during this time frame. I don't know why Aladdin Sane and Lodger were left out.

[allegro]

David Bowie-Five Years available to stream until Monday. (http://www.pbs.org/program/david-bowie-five-years/)

Wow, that was really awesome.

[orestes]

I know, right?!

[GulDukat]

The Bowie/NIN disc We Prick You came in the mail yesterday and it's great. The track listing on amazon is all wrong, but still, it's a good disc, sounds great for a bootleg.

[armogi]

The Bowie/NIN disc We Prick You came in the mail yesterday and it's great. The track listing on amazon is all wrong, but still, it's a good disc, sounds great for a bootleg.

I actually saw it too in a record store yesterday, can you tell which show it is from the inner booklet?

[GulDukat]

I actually saw it too in a record store yesterday, can you tell which show it is from the inner booklet?
Doesn't say, no liner notes. Just states "official radio broadcast."

[imail724]

The Bowie/NIN disc We Prick You came in the mail yesterday and it's great. The track listing on amazon is all wrong, but still, it's a good disc, sounds great for a bootleg.
So what is the tracklist? Is it the same as the old Live Hate bootleg?