That interview is so good. Good questions and a honest lonely guy.
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I've always thought it would be pretty cool if Trent streamed/recorded future live shows in 360 degree view right in the middle of the stage.
Just finished listening to With Teeth (been listening to a lot of songs off it recently and decided to just listen to the album in its entirety, haven't done that for a while). What a freaking awesome album actually, in certain ways it hits home more/is more powerful than TDS or TF in how...down to earth, related (for me, mind you) it comes out. Not quite on the same level as those two albums, but still a great one.
Yeah, With Teeth is the only NIN album that I've really changed my mind about. I remember enjoying the singles at the time, but when it came to listening to it in full... well, it really didn't click. It felt bland and conventional (I'm talking in comparison to other NIN here) and yeah, just a bit flat really. I don't think it was too long before it stopped getting regular plays. I think it was the release of the NINJA Tour Sampler, with those new WT tracks, that made me rethink things, and since then I've become very fond of it.
Further random comment... I'm really surprised that we haven't heard more since Not The Actual Events. With the live date I thought it was the start of something more, but maybe it really will be a weird (but cool) blip in NIN history.
(and part of me hopes that now I've said this Trent will pop up all like 'Surprise!' on Twitter in 5 mins time)
I don't know why, it's not my favorite song, but more than any other nine inch nails beat I have 'the good soldier' on a loop in my head all day once a week. So catchy.
How fucking awesome is the live version of only on BYIT, when he goes "Your FUCKING world that is". Love the conviction in his voice on that line. Can't remember if it's the normal or summer version.
I like to construct random NIN playlists with a concept/idea/feeling to them and today I was making a more motivational/recovery type playlist. With Teeth, The Fragile, and Hesitation Marks made up the vast majority of the playlist. 1. I'm surprised The Fragile in reality is very inspiring to me given that it's also the darkest album imo. 2. I've said this before, but HM/WT aren't concept albums but still tell little stories, and the stories that stick out and resonate with me are definitely the ones relating to rising and falling.
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The Deviations version of The Mark Has Been Made is way better in every possible way than the main version on The Fragile.
Maybe this should be in Controversial Opinions instead?
I see what you mean. One of the things that I've always liked about NIN was how some of his records sometimes take me back to exactly how I felt when I listened to them the first time. Which was blown away and as good as it got. The Downward Spiral is definitely one of them.
But more than the first time? If only I could experience that, in spite of how much I've always loved The Downward Spiral. Talk about uber-awesome re-visited.
I can actually relate to With Teeth much more than I did when it first came out. All The Love In The World, The Collector, Every Day Is Exactly The Same, Getting Smaller, Sunspots, The Line Begins to Blur and Right Where It Belongs have been hitting me so much harder this time around. As for sentimental reasons, that's probably the case of it being the first actual NIN album that I had to wait for since becoming a fan in 2002.
Definitely controversial. I've seen nothing but "why did he ruin the song?!" (i.e. the opposite of you) since it came out. I have to agree with this latter opinion – it's much lesser than the final version, and both are absolute weaksauce compared to the AATCHB arrangement.
I do kinda wish he'd buried the talkbox in the final mix, though. It's a cool layer.
Part of the reason it blew me away even more was because I was like 15 or 16 when I first listened to The Downward Spiral when I got into NIN in about 2010 (Can thank Guitar Hero Warriors of Rock for that - had Wish as one of the songs it I thought it kicked ass and made me curious to check out more by NIN haha) and thought 'this is pretty cool' but some of the songs didn't really grab me as much as they do now, mostly because at that point I had mostly listened to more pop-y or alternative stuff, nothing as heavy as NIN can get. Over the past year or so I've slowly been getting into back into NIN as for a while I started listening to stuff like The Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead and I know how some of you feel about him but Marilyn Manson too and for a long time that stuff clicked with me so well and partly because of that and partially because of growing up I guess I got more of an appreciation of the detail and emotions and power that can come through music. I listened to The Fragile for the first time in full for a while and songs that I never really cared about before like The Way Out Is Through, Where is Everybody and The Big Come Down and The Fragile resonant with me so much more than ever before to the point where I think The Way Out is Through is probably in my top 5 of favorite songs ever. That build up to the loud part crashing down on you is beautiful. So when Trent announced the whole DE reissue thing I downloaded the files as soon as I could, i was most hyped for The Fragile and The Fragile Deviations 1 but issues with those twos downloads made me have to wait. Gave Broken a listen, just as good as I remembered - Gave Up which I neglected a bit before is now one I enjoy shitloads and when I sat down to listen to The Downward Spiral I was blown away on so many levels. I'm not going to lie, before then the only songs from The Downward Spiral that were memorable to me and I would listen to often were Mr. Self Destruct, Heresy, March of the Pigs, Reptile and Hurt but holy fucking shit the Ruiner>The Becoming>I Do Not Want This chain is 15 minutes of perfection. Sure I had listened to those songs on and off before and I feel stupid for not getting into them as much before but like I said I don't think the younger me appreciated them as much or most of NINs discography as a whole.
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So I was biking outside today (like biking when there's supposed to not be a lot of people) and I was listening to my playlist that I made that was supposed to be more uplifting and personal and the last six songs were: Hurt/Everything/Burning Bright/Various Methods of Escape/Right Where It Belongs/We're In This Together. I was surprised at how different all the songs were, but still so...related and personal to me. Do you guys feel like there are particular NIN albums that speak to you much more than others? I feel like every album hits me in a different way, but are mostly just as strong.
It entirely depends on where I am at any given point in my life at the time. Pretty Hate Machine doesn't speak to me at all currently and hasn't for a while -- I've just not given a shit about anything romantic for a good long while now, so I couldn't care less about that type of anguish or angst. I'm not exactly angry with myself over anything, so Broken isn't the most potent thing to me at the moment, either. I am, however, politically horrified, numbed by routine and exhausted inside as a human bein while feeling doubtful of my general sense of self and identity, so things like Year Zero, With Teeth and The Slip are clicking pretty heavily these days. I find that there's enough diversity in the types of inner turmoil that NIN has explored album to album that there's almost always something for whatever it is I'm dealing with at the time.
WITT does to me, yes.
Another song that strikes a chord inside me is Leaving Hope, its such a dark song atmospherically. It touches that same place that A Warm Place and Ghosts 28 do, in a way that cant be described with lyrics, and im glad its an instrumental.
edit: Hand Covers Bruise, add that to the list
I've always joked about trent putting out the right album at the right time for me because it feels like the general theme and feeling in each album has coincided very well with what's going on in my life/mind the year that it came out (/the year I first heard it for the older stuff I didn't hear upon release).
Trent really fucked up not playing Zero Sum on the Tension tour.
There are aspects of PHM that connect with me much less now than in my younger years, for certain, but still some parts reach me. I'll always have some measure of yearning and anger, I suppose.
Broken, TDS, The Fragile and parts of Hesitation Marks have a timeless kind of connection to me. Not in the sense that I feel like I'm losing my grip on myself or have a desire to throw anything away, more in the sense that when I listen to them, I can indulge that part of myself that still hates everything, and channel that into a warning of sorts. At the end of any given listen, I come out feeling strong, and never lose sight of what's important to me. "All I've undergone, I will keep on". You know?
These days, Year Zero is quite simply frightening to me, as I find myself wishing god himself would reach his fucking arm through, etc.
Unrelated: "Memorabilia" doesn't get enough love.
Watching the Webster Hall Wave Goodbye TDS show on YouTube: cry every time.
Like, god damn, what an amazing show that was and how much I would give to go back and be able to attend it. My "if you could go back in time for 24 hours" answer was always to go to a Dissonance tour show, but that show would be right up there next to it IMO.
And then I remember that Chicago got a fucking Broken cock tease, but no full album either night. And then LA gets a TDS night too. And I cry more.
A friend posted this on my Facebook today, I completely forgot that this existed.
dafuq was that?
does anyone else remember a rumor floating around in like 1996 that tr was gonna play the lead in the crow 2?
I think the artsy, cool, underappreciated album in the NIN canon belongs to Year Zerofor NIN, that album is 'The Fragile'
Plenty of fans, whether casual or hardcore, know The Fragile and cite it as a masterpiece. But how many casual NIN fans even know about or remember YZ a decade later? Even today amongst the fanbase, it's more revered for its ARG rollout and Trent's roasting of Interscope at the time than it is for the actual musicality or subtext it offers. That album is FAR ahead of its time; there's simply nothing else like it, in the NIN catalogue or anyone else's, for that matter.
And 10 years later, it's more relevant now to the state of affairs than it was in 2007. Yet, it rarely gets held up in the same high regard as the first four albums routinely do. Recently, some hack journalist at Pitchfork even denigrated it as "uncomfortably ambitious in parts"
Save for perhaps TDS, Year Zero is easily his most focused album, conceptually. It's almost a sequel to TDS in structure and form, except it deals with the collapse of society and the world at large, as opposed to just one individual's psyche. It's the album for the absolute NIN purist..
I wanted to mix Hesitation Marks with Not The Actual Events and I ended with a playlist with a similar sequence to The Downward Spiral tracklist. After one listen I think that this thing works very well for me, the lyrics of the songs fit very good, almost like it was just one conceptual album.
1-Branches/Bones
2-Find My Way
3-Copy Of A
4-The Idea Of You
5-All Time Low
6-Dear World,
7-Came Back Haunted
8-Burning Bright (Field On Fire)
9-The Eater Of Dreams
10-She's Gone Away
11-In Two
12-While I'm Still Here
13-Black Noise
Cool idea. I notice you removed most of the garbage HM material out of there too. Can't have a HM playlist w/o VMoE though, it's the first or second best song on the record (along with Copy of A).
The time when nin.com was using a tumblr feed already feels like a distant memory. Like a nightmare long forgotten.
after watching the Grammy people sabotage Metallica last night with James' mic cutting out, at least Trent isnt the only "heavy" musician they have fucked over in the past couple years