Boston Marathon

[Jinsai]

It would appear that today's idiotic youth internet culture has reached its zenith.

well that's the stupidest, most obnoxious, and frustrating/confounding thing I've seen all day, and this comes on the heels of discovering that somebody made a video game mockery of the bombing called Boston Marathon 2013: Terror on the Streets. I would link to it, but I don't want to contribute to sending any traffic their way.

[DigitalChaos]

well that's the stupidest, most obnoxious, and frustrating/confounding thing I've seen all day, and this comes on the heels of discovering that somebody made a video game mockery of the bombing called Boston Marathon 2013: Terror on the Streets. I would link to it, but I don't want to contribute to sending any traffic their way.

author advertising his stuff on SA: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...readid=3545945

download location that is getting hammered: http://lolokaust.com/


edit: almost forgot the trailer

[october_midnight]

I would link to it, but I don't want to contribute to sending any traffic their way.

Well that at least makes two of us...

[elevenism]

It would appear that today's idiotic youth internet culture has reached its zenith.

Ok...that, and the video game bullshit genuinely terrifies me about today's youth in general. And i guess that makes me officially old. It's just utterly sickening and depraved. I believe that part of the problem is that these kids and young adults are the first generation to have access to ALL the information in the world, WHENEVER they want it, usually in the privacy of their rooms for their entire lives.​

[Elke]

Seriously? "The youth of today?" Aren't we supposed to wait with that kind of alienated bullshit untill we're at least 40? Some people are moronic wastes of space, and my guess is they're born that way. For every OHMYGODILOVEJAHAR girl making sparkly banners about her favourite possible terrorist, there's a 40-year old woman writing love letters to a serial killer and a 75 year old fucker collecting Hitler memorabilia.
The only thing that's changed, is that we have a platform to scream our outrage from. And why we're outraged at all, is a mystery to me. We make a far more offensive joke every time we buy a new cell phone because it has spliffy new functions, or throw away meat that made it possible for an African family to live a little shorter. Save your outrage for the Russian government who refuses - still - to acknowledge the occupation of the Golan in Syria out of fear its own Chechen situation should suddenly garner international attention. You know, a worthwhile cause, something truly horrible and devastating.

[/old man rant]

[Space Suicide]

More on The #FreeJahar Shit

Yeah? How about no. Stupidity in its finest.

[elevenism]

Seriously? "The youth of today?" Aren't we supposed to wait with that kind of alienated bullshit untill we're at least 40? Some people are moronic wastes of space, and my guess is they're born that way. For every OHMYGODILOVEJAHAR girl making sparkly banners about her favourite possible terrorist, there's a 40-year old woman writing love letters to a serial killer and a 75 year old fucker collecting Hitler memorabilia.
The only thing that's changed, is that we have a platform to scream our outrage from. And why we're outraged at all, is a mystery to me. We make a far more offensive joke every time we buy a new cell phone because it has spliffy new functions, or throw away meat that made it possible for an African family to live a little shorter. Save your outrage for the Russian government who refuses - still - to acknowledge the occupation of the Golan in Syria out of fear its own Chechen situation should suddenly garner international attention. You know, a worthwhile cause, something truly horrible and devastating.

[/old man rant]

you're right, you're right...ive just been feeling so fucking old lately!

[Jinsai]

actually, I'd point out there's a major difference. The people writing love letters to convicted serial killers fall more clearly into that "I'm fucking crazy" category, and the old men collecting nazi memorabilia might not be nazis... and even if they are nazis, that's a different thing.

This "freeJahar lol!" movement is sickening for completely different reasons. These little girls probably aren't insane (yet), and they aren't even real conspiracy theorists. They haven't thought about it enough for that. This is a disturbing side effect of what happens when people grow up living in an anonymous fantasy alternate reality. To these kids, the internet isn't quite real, but it's still a very integral and important part of their existence. Traditionally, these fantasy notions are fulfilled by advertising campaigns and shrewd corporations, selling teen idols and vaguely disguised sex symbols, and that's mostly harmless. The worst thing that happens is they grow up and have that "walk of shame" where they sell their New Kids on the Block/Bieber/Nsync album collections.

The unfiltered "viral" version of this is little girls crushing on cute serial killers, and the scariest part is that the majority of them will never have to consciously face that embarrassment when they grow old enough to realize how fucked up it is.

[DigitalChaos]

No mention of the note that was supposedly found written on the inside of the boat?

The finger is basically pointed at US occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. "killing one innocent muslim = an attack on all muslims" or something along those lines. Pretty easy to just flip that wonderful logi in reverse and claim that all Muslims are terrorists but whatever... Once again we suffer from blowback but will we decide to stop world occupation?.... naaaahhhhh! Hell, this part of the story isn't getting anywhere near the kind of attention the rest of the case got.

[Dra508]

Since you're talking to yourself trying to stir debate or I don't know what, read a bit, my treat. Boston Globe online is no longer free. You're welcome.

Metro Note may offer details on bomb motive By Maria Cramer and Peter Schworm | GLOBE Just before his capture last month, Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev scrawled a note inside the boat where he was hiding that seemed to take responsibility for his role in the attack, according to two law enforcement officials with knowledge of the message. After police forced Tsarnaev out of the boat, trailered at a Watertown residence, they found the handwritten message in which he praised Allah and said he would soon be joining his dead brother, Tamerlan, according to one of the officials. “They found a note that took responsibility,” said the official, who did not provide additional details. The message in the boat appears to match statements Tsarnaev made to authorities after his capture, but seems to provide a clearer picture of his motives. Related Brewing company to honor slain MIT officer More bombing coverage The note could bolster prosecutors’ case against Tsarnaev, the official said. Both officials asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case publicly. CBS News first reported the note, citing unnamed sources who said Tsarnaev referred to the Marathon victims as “collateral damage” and likened them to Muslims who were killed in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. “When you attack one Muslim, you attack all Muslims,” Tsarnaev wrote, the network reported. The piece of the boat’s interior Dzhokhar Tsarnaev wrote on probably will be removed from the hull and presented as evidence if he goes to trial, The New York Times reported Thursday. The message was scrawled with a pen, the newspaper reported. The Tsarnaev brothers allegedly planted the bombs that killed three people and injured more than 260 others at the Boston Marathon finish line on the afternoon of April 15. The brothers also are accused of killing MIT Police Officer Sean Collier. Tsarnaev, 19, faces federal charges that could bring the death penalty. He is being held at Federal Medical Center Devens, a detention facility for male prisoners about 40 miles west of Boston. Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, was killed after a shootout with police in Watertown several days after the bombings. Authorities say he was also run over by his younger brother, who was making a desperate bid to escape police. Dzokhar Tsarnaev was captured later that day near the shootout scene in a boat parked in the backyard of a home. The target of a massive dragnet, he was taken into custody after a tense standoff. Three other men, former classmates of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev at UMass-Dartmouth, have been charged with either trying to cover up his role in the bombing or lying to federal investigators. The bombings shook the nation and raised questions about why the brothers turned to terrorism, whether they had help, and whether law enforcement and security officials could have prevented the attacks. Under questioning from FBI agents, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev allegedly admitted that he and his brother were behind the bombings. He claimed that he and his brother acted alone and that his brother had become a follower of radical Islam in part because of his opposition to US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Globe has reported. Those statements came before investigators informed Tsarnaev of his rights to counsel and to remain silent, which could make them inadmissable in a trial. A man who was allegedly carjacked by the brothers also told authorities that Tamerlan Tsarnaev admitted to the bombings and to killing Collier. Federal investigators have now learned that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had met with a former Chechen resistance figure, Musa Khadjimuradov, in Manchester, N.H., less than a month before the attacks, Voice of America reported. FBI agents have searched his home and have been in frequent contact since first interviewing him April 29, the news agency reported. Khadjimuradov said agents questioned him about Tamerlan Tsarnaev practicing at a Manchester shooting range and buying fireworks in Seabrook, N.H., Voice of America reported. The new details of the investigation and the note — especially the reported reference to the bombing victims as “collateral damage”— prompted strong reactions Thursday. Liz Norden, the mother of one of the bombing victims, said she was upset by the note, calling the reference “disturbing.” Paul Norden, who lost his right leg in the attack, was discharged Thursday from Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital in Charlestown. “Paul’s done remarkably well,” Alexis Iaccarino, a resident physiatrist, said at a brief news conference. “He’s shown great resilience,” she said. Liz Norden said it was a great day “because we get Paul home.” She has been concentrating on her son’s recovery, she added, and had not given the bombing suspects much thought. She said she was a “little nervous” about her son leaving the hospital, but she thought he would be fine. Her other son, J.P. Norden, also lost a leg in the bombing and is being treated at Spaulding. He is expected to be discharged May 24. In the city where Tsarnaev was captured, meanwhile, residents were angered by the message. “I kind of figured that was how they were feeling, but . . . the people are collateral damage?” said Marlene Mangabat, 31. “I knew it was some type of hate.” Mangabat said her home was hit by bullets as some officers opened fire at the boat. She recalled huddling with her family, including her niece and infant nephew, on the kitchen floor and then in the basement, before being evacuated. The idea that as she took cover Tsarnaev was claiming responsibility for the bombing was unsettling, she said. “While I’m looking out there, he was in there, writing this message,” she said.

Tsarnaev’s defense targets first comments to police Photos allowed that could show how badly hurt he was In the first indication of a tactic that lawyers may use to defend Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, his legal team won permission Friday to have the 19-year-old periodically photographed in prison to document his recovery, in an effort to challenge whether his initial statements to investigators were made voluntarily. Defense lawyers, in arguments made public in a federal judge’s ruling on Friday, argued that the photographs, contrasted with images of him shortly after his capture, would provide *evidence of his “evolving mental and physical state” since that time, and call into question his ability to make any admissions of guilt to author*ities. By underscoring his weakened condition shortly after his arrest, images of his improved health could also bolster the defense’s arguments against the death penalty, a federal judge ruled. “It is true that photographs may provide probative evidence to support sentence mitigation arguments,” US Magistrate Judge Marianne Bowler wrote in a five-page decision. Tsarnaev and his older brother, Tamerlan, are accused of planting the bombs that killed three people and injured more than 260 at the Marathon finish line on April 15. The brothers are also accused of killing MIT police Officer Sean Collier. Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, was killed after a shootout with *police in Watertown several days after the bombings. Author*ities said he was also run over by his younger brother, who was making a desperate bid to escape police in a sport utility vehicle. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, captured hours later near the shootout scene inside a boat parked in the backyard of a home, faces federal charges that could carry the death penalty. Under questioning by FBI agents, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev *allegedly admitted that he and his brother were behind the bombings. Those statements came before investigators *informed Tsarnaev of his rights to counsel and to remain silent, which could make them inadmissable in a trial. Evidence of his injuries, which included a gunshot wound to the neck, could be used to argue that Tsarnaev was in no condition to make statements to investigators, legal specialists said. “The argument would be that you weren’t in the appropriate mental state, given your physical health, to voluntarily agree to anything,” said Robert L. Sheketoff, a prominent *Boston attorney. Tsarnaev reportedly gave statements to investigators after his arrest and prior to his first appearance before Bowler, when defense lawyers were *finally by his side. Law enforcement officials said Thursday that Tsarnaev scrawled a note on the side of the boat where he was captured that also seemed to take respon*sibility for his role in the attack. Documenting his current health condition establishes a baseline for improvements, Sheketoff said. Sheketoff briefly assisted the defense of serial killer Gary Lee Sampson, the first person to be sentenced to death in a federal court in Massachusetts, a case that is under appeal. While granting the defense’s motion, Bowler ruled that the US Bureau of Prisons must take the photos, rather than *Tsarnaev’s lawyers, to comply with security policy at Federal Medical Center Devens, the detention facility where the bombing suspect is being held. Bowler ruled that defense lawyers can be present when the photos are taken. Initially defense lawyers sought to keep the photographs private under attorney-client privilege, however the judge ruled that prosecutors could have access to the photographs. The full nature of the *defense request, which was filed in secret on May 7, was not known. The judge shared the request with prosecutors so they had the opportunity to raise objections. Specialists said photographic evidence of injuries, particularly serious and lasting ones, could help the defense as it builds a case against the death penalty. “If you have some permanent injury, in a sense you’ve paid a price,” said Sheketoff, who is not involved in Tsarnaev’s defense. “If you sustained that punishment during the capture, you could argue that it’s some retribution that’s already been exacted, especially if it resulted in a permanent *injury.” US Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. would make the final decision on seeking the death penalty, after a recommendation from the US attorney. In Massachusetts, the US attorney has traditionally appointed a committee to hear defense *arguments on why the defendant does not deserve the death penalty. That committee then makes a recommendation to the US attorney. The office of US Attorney Carmen M. Ortiz in Boston said she will seek the advice of *senior counsel in making her recommendation. In other developments Friday, Transit Police Officer Richard Donohue is now being treated at Spaulding Rehabilitation Hospital in Boston, 28 days after he was rushed, nearly lifeless, to the hospital. Donohue was shot in Watertown on April 19 as he and other police officers faced off against the Tsarnaev brothers. When Donohue arrived at Mount Auburn Hospital in Cambridge, he had lost a significant amount of blood and barely had a pulse. But hospital medical staff stabilized and *revived him, setting the stage for what his wife, Kim, called “Phase 2’’ of his recovery. “Gooooood morning, Spaulding Rehab! We are now on to ‘Phase 2’ — working out those legs to get him in shape to go home,’’ Kim Donohue posted on Facebook. “Take the most beautiful rehab facility you can imagine and add in a water view of the Boston skyline, and that is Spaulding-Charlestown.’’ In the coming days and weeks, her husband will undergo intensive physical therapy, she said in her post. “It’s time to wake up and smell the PT! We hear the Physical Therapists kick butt first and take names later,’’ Kim Donohue wrote.

[allegro]

yeah well no big news, there. All terrorist acts are due to somebody's beef with somebody. All Muslim terrorist acts, ever, are because they believe that people treat Muslims like shit. Hell, I did an essay about terrorism when I was in college in the 80s, after the Achille Loro terrorist hijacking, things haven't changed at all.

[Elke]

yeah well no big news, there. All terrorist acts are due to somebody's beef with somebody. All Muslim terrorist acts, ever, are because they believe that people treat Muslims like shit. Hell, I did an essay about terrorism when I was in college in the 80s, after the Achille Loro terrorist hijacking, things haven't changed at all.

But not all acts of terror committed by muslims are muslim terror acts.

[DigitalChaos]

But not all acts of terror committed by muslims are muslim terror acts.

But an attack against one muslim is an attack against all muslims*



*according to the Boston Bomber

[allegro]

But not all acts of terror committed by muslims are muslim terror acts.

well, okay, technically it's one Muslim's terror act, not Islam's terror act

[elevenism]

To these kids, the internet isn't quite real, but it's still a very integral and important part of their existence.

- Jinsai

Your whole post was insightful, as usual. I would like to add one thing to the argument...about the internet.
Young teenagers have had access to all the information and misinformation in the world, video included, at the touch of a button, often in the privacy of their BEDROOMS, often since they were old enough to talk, often unmonitored (by their fuckhead parents...MY generation, i am ashamed to say.) This includes Aristotle to Anal Rape Fantasy...Baptism to Bomb Making 101, Confucius to Christian Identity's violent hate movement. I argue that the unsupervised access to power of all of this unfiltered and often hate-filled knowledge and rhetoric, as well as photographs, and later, videos, has deeply, permanently and profoundly changed these new generations from generations past in ways we can't even begin to imagine. I have firsthand knowledge due to bedroom interwebz from ages 17-20 (i was honestly sexually warped by it, but that's for another thread, or never.)

SECONDLY
And sadly, i fear that in the Great Stupid American Hive-think,
Muslim=Arab=Terrorist. And it's gonna be that way for a long, lone time.
Oh, and i almost forgot..Sikhs and Hindus (explaining the recent Sikh tenoke binbung also qualify as Gee-Hawd A-Rabs.
On that note, i'd like to formally and deeply apologize for George W. Bush and his deadly antics, as well as take this opportunity to SWEAR on the lives of my family that we Texans are NOT all like that!!!!! But PLEASE accept this apology.

Of course, if those Gee-Hawd I-Rackies hadn't flown those planes into those buildings...

[Elke]

well, okay, technically it's one Muslim's terror act, not Islam's terror act

No, it's not because a muslim commits an act of terror, that his being a muslim is relevant. That's what I meant.

[allegro]

No, it's not because a muslim commits an act of terror, that his being a muslim is relevant. That's what I meant.

Being Palestinian was primarily relevant re the Achille Lauro.

[Elke]

As a blanket statement, calling something muslim / islamist terrorism because someone is muslim is stupid and wrong. Your own example proves it.

[allegro]

But that wasn't what I said. If the terrorists, themselves, claim their actions are the result of harm against Muslims (like the guy who is the subject of this thread; he wrote his reasons on the boat where he hid out), then they, themselves, are defining it. I didn't say "I'm a Muslim and this is what I do because I'm a Muslim" (because that's stupid). Muslims who commit terrorism and who publicly state that their terrorist acts are the result of their feeling that Muslims are harmed or treated unfairly and their act of terrorism is a form of retribution against people who hurt Muslims ("Muslim terrorist act") isn't a new thing due to U.S. occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan; @DigitalChaos made a point that the U.S. chickens have come home to roost, like the U.S. killing Muslims is a new thing related to our occupation in Afghanistan and Iraq. In response to his comment, specifically, I merely pointed out that Muslims being treated like shit, and Muslims committing acts of terrorism to attempt to show that Muslims are being treated like shit pre-dates U.S. occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq, and that terrorist acts were happening in the 80s when I was writing my essay focusing on all types of terrorism (Palestinian, Islamic, I.R.A., whatever) and that terrorists don't commit acts of terror for no reason; they do it to bring attention to their beef.

My essay back in the 80s attempted to focus on their feelings of impotency and that, to whatever terrorists and their reasons, terrorist acts are perhaps the only way they can get any perceived attention or action toward the change they seek. I couldn't finish the essay, however, because I could find no data to support my thesis; the only data I found was "all terrorists are assholes and they do it for no reason." We didn't have the Internet so research was limited to shitty Time magazines and stuff. The Achille Lauro was an example of "terrorism gone bad" since Palestinians shooting a crippled Jew in the head and throwing him and his wheelchair off the side of a cruise ship probably won't get your cause any sympathetic attention and you are unlikely to get any press and video and pictures on the front page since no press was out in the middle of the ocean around a cruise ship and none of us had cell phones with cameras back then. I was writing this essay in 1985.

[DigitalChaos]

The fact that both side who want to inflict harm in the "islamic terrorism" topic are convinced that muslims are unified is something people seriously need to think about. That's approximately 100% of the people that matter when trying to deal with the issue. The easiest answer is for muslims to come out with a much stronger media presence and world-wide message of telling the terrorists to fuck off.

[allegro]

The fact that both side who want to inflict harm in the "islamic terrorism" topic are convinced that muslims are unified is something people seriously need to think about. That's approximately 100% of the people that matter when trying to deal with the issue. The easiest answer is for muslims to come out with a much stronger media presence and world-wide message of telling the terrorists to fuck off.

I guess. I've known too many Muslims in my life to ever think that all (or even a fraction of) Muslims are terrorist sympathizers. But the current population of Americans seem to let their prejudices based on fear affect their understanding of what's happening worldwide. They can't even manage to attempt to consider how many innocent Muslims we have killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, all considered "collateral damage." Which is, of course, where the Boston Bomber got his wording that he wrote on that boat. Not to say that I understand the "eye for an eye" aspect of terrorism, and how "collateral damage" at the Boston Marathon will open anyone's mind.

I did a group research project (in around 2006) in an advanced English class with two young Muslim women who showed me a LOT about slanted U.S. journalism; in fact, our group presentation (3 of us) focused on comparing U.S. and British "news" coverage of Iraq and Afghanistan to Al Jazeera coverage. We think our presentation really opened up the eyes of our fellow classmates.

[DigitalChaos]

I guess. I've known too many Muslims in my life to ever think that all (or even a fraction of) Muslims are terrorist sympathizers. But the current population of Americans seem to let their prejudices based on fear affect their understanding of what's happening worldwide. They can't even manage to attempt to consider how many innocent Muslims we have killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, all considered "collateral damage." Which is, of course, where the Boston Bomber got his wording that he wrote on that boat.

I did a group project in an advanced English class with two young Muslim women who showed me a LOT about slanted U.S. journalism; in fact, our group presentation (3 of us) focused on comparing U.S. and British "news" coverage of Iraq and Afghanistan to Al Jazeera coverage. We think our presentation really opened up the eyes of our fellow classmates.

That's exactly the point though. People who understand this are also the ones who aren't pushing for the wars (or "terrorist attacks" depending on which side of the aggression you are on). If the majority of muslims took a much more public and active stance on crushing the extremist terrorists... it would flip the existing rhetoric on it's head. I'm sure there are other ways to go about it too, like eliminating the chickenhawk idiots from the major US political parties.

[Elke]

The hijacking of the Achille Lauro was politically motivated. The concept of ummah was secondary to the hijackers, which explains why it didn't gather international support from muslims or much follow-up.

edit: I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with most of what you wrote, allegro, I'm just pointing out that it's not because someone uses religious imagery, that religion is the cause or motivator for an action. Hitler considered himself a christian, and Anders Breivik used christian rhetoric. Neither acted out of christian motives, or considered their actions to be motivated by religion. When discussing western bombers, terrorists or dictators, we're usually more correct in delineating the religious components from the actual motivators.

[Pillfred]

That's exactly the point though. People who understand this are also the ones who aren't pushing for the wars (or "terrorist attacks" depending on which side of the aggression you are on). If the majority of muslims to a much more public and active stance on crushing the extremist terrorists... it would flip the existing rhetoric on it's head. I'm sure there are other ways to go about it too, like eliminating the chickenhawk idiots from the major US political parties.

Not meaning to be antagonistic here but the same could be more or less said about a lot of people here in the states. Which in a way i feel could be easier to do since we are not currently living in a war zone. It's a sad state of affairs no matter how one looks at i feel.


If you go to around 13:40 or so dude makes a good point, granted he's talking about Israel and all that, but i think a similar sentiment would apply.

[DigitalChaos]

Not meaning to be antagonistic here but the same could be more or less said about a lot of people here in the states. Which in a way i feel could be easier to do since we are not currently living in a war zone. It's a sad state of affairs no matter how one looks at i feel.


If you go to around 13:40 or so dude makes a good point, granted he's talking about Israel and all that, but i think a similar sentiment would apply.

I actually had US citizens in mind when saying that. The US is leading the way with the war on terror and it is impacting a lot of muslims. If the US muslims had much more media presence denouncing this and separating themselves, it might actually change this perception of muslim unity that terrorists have.
Like I said, there are other ways but this is just something that came to the front after digesting what the Boston bomber allegedly wrote. If I were a muslim I would be so pissed at having those kids associate themselves with me.

[Deepvoid]

Problem is that people are mostly ignorant on the subject.
You got O'Reilly suggesting it's time to do some profiling and people actually agreeing with him. A lot of people.

[allegro]

The hijacking of the Achille Lauro was politically motivated. The concept of ummah was secondary to the hijackers, which explains why it didn't gather international support from muslims or much follow-up.

It didn't get support from anybody because it was really fucking lame, all the way around

[onthewall2983]

Not quite sure how I feel about this. It's not going to make him cool, but it's definitely showing mixed signals to me as to what RS' intention is.

[orestes]

Can someone logically explain the hullabaloo over the cover? Me thinks there's a fair bit of projection at work here.

[aggroculture]

I saw a young woman with a "Tsarnaev Is Innocent" sign at the Trayvon Martin rally: ugh.