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    Axl Rose named "greatest singer of all time"

    http://www.digitalspy.com/music/news...oEPVpZtdH85Fuq

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    He's not even the greatest singer from Indiana.

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    I was thinking Michael Jackson, but whatever floats your boat.

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    I just think Axl is a dumb choice. My picks are Jeff Buckley and Chris Cornell.

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    At least he beat Beyonce, Taylor Swift, and Smiley Virus. Then again, he could barely sing these days.

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    The criteria revolves entirely around vocal range, and the chart shows how low and high they can hit.

    This is a strange way to judge the greatness of a singer. You can can hit quick notes in a high falsetto (especially with inflective screeches) that are not indicative of your actual range. For example, you might be able to hit a high note for a fraction of a second, but if you tried to actually sing a phrase in that range you might potentially sound ridiculous.

    Additionally, I'm just confused where Axl is hitting "the lowest note ever" here. I listened to the song "There Was a Time" and I waited for the moment where he hits this super low note. Can someone point to where this is happening in the song?

    Also... this list is being silly on a technical level. You're taking Axl's lowest note from later in his career, and his highest note from earlier? After a couple decades of smoking and wearing down your vocal chords, your voice will naturally cover a lower range.

    I'm additionally suspicious of the omission of Minnie Ripperton in a discussion primarily centered around vocal range. Not to mention that this is talking about studio recordings, and not accounting for the magic of auto tune.

    tl;dr: this list is bullshit.
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    Preach it bother, AMEN!, damn where is Bill or Dr Pepper when you need them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    This is a strange way to judge the greatness of a singer. You can can hit quick notes in a high falsetto (especially with inflective screeches) that are not indicative of your actual range. For example, you might be able to hit a high note for a fraction of a second, but if you tried to actually sing a phrase in that range you might potentially sound ridiculous.
    Um, yeah. That's Axl's whole shtick. He is a natural baritone with a very piercing falsetto tone, which we all know from his most famous and flamboyant performances — but for better or for worse he holds those notes (see: "Don't Cry").

    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    Additionally, I'm just confused where Axl is hitting "the lowest note ever" here. I listened to the song "There Was a Time" and I waited for the moment where he hits this super low note. Can someone point to where this is happening in the song?
    It's in the backing vocals in the chorus, I believe. Could be a technology-assisted low note, but it's there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    The criteria revolves entirely around vocal range, and the chart shows how low and high they can hit.

    This is a strange way to judge the greatness of a singer. You can can hit quick notes in a high falsetto (especially with inflective screeches) that are not indicative of your actual range. For example, you might be able to hit a high note for a fraction of a second, but if you tried to actually sing a phrase in that range you might potentially sound ridiculous.

    Additionally, I'm just confused where Axl is hitting "the lowest note ever" here. I listened to the song "There Was a Time" and I waited for the moment where he hits this super low note. Can someone point to where this is happening in the song?

    Also... this list is being silly on a technical level. You're taking Axl's lowest note from later in his career, and his highest note from earlier? After a couple decades of smoking and wearing down your vocal chords, your voice will naturally cover a lower range.

    I'm additionally suspicious of the omission of Minnie Ripperton in a discussion primarily centered around vocal range. Not to mention that this is talking about studio recordings, and not accounting for the magic of auto tune.

    tl;dr: this list is bullshit.
    I agree with you that this list is silly.

    RE: "There Was a Time," I don't know if Axl hits the lower notes on that track. Songs like "It's So Easy," and "Mr. Brownstone" are examples of Axl singing baritone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinsai View Post
    tl;dr: this list is bullshit.
    Applying things such as lists to art is bullshit in general. They're good for discussions on forums like this, but that's about it. Same can be said for awards too.

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    http://www.spin.com/articles/vocal-r...gn=spintwitter

    Big thanks to all the fans and media for the props reacting to the Spin top vocalists article.

    From what I could tell, the original article was for the most part only talking about the professionally recorded vocal range of the singers they compared calling the entire group "The World's Greatest Singers." It's very flattering and humbling to be included in such an illustrious ensemble.

    If I had to say who I thought the best singers were, I'd say first that I don't know there's a definitive answer as in my opinion it's subjective, and second that my focus is primarily rock singers.

    That said, I enjoy Freddie Mercury, Elvis Presley, Paul McCartney, Dan McCafferty, Janice Joplin, Michael Jackson, Elton John, Roger Daltrey, Don Henley, Jeff Lynne, Johnny Cash, Frank Sinatra, Jimmy Scott, Etta James, Fiona Apple, Chrissie Hynde, Stevie Wonder, James Brown and a ton of others (predominantly 70's rock singers) and would rather hear ANY of them anytime rather than me!

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    Thanks Dr. Pepper, I was wondering when you'd grace us with this news!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Charlemagne View Post
    Thanks Dr. Pepper, I was wondering when you'd grace us with this news!
    I bring even more great news Gunners!


    http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/sla...-in-september/
    SLASH To Release 'World On Fire' Album In September
    May 27, 2014
    Legendary guitarist Slash (GUNS N' ROSES, VELVET REVOLVER) and his backing band, MYLES KENNEDY & THE CONSPIRATORS, will release "World On Fire", the third album to be made available under the Slash solo banner, on September 15 via Slash's own label Dik Hayd International distributed through Roadrunner Records (Europe, Middle East, Africa and Latin America). A total of 17 songs, including one instrumental, were laid down for the follow-up to 2012's "Apocalyptic Love" with producer Michael "Elvis" Baskette (ALTER BRIDGE, FALLING IN REVERSE, INCUBUS).
    "World On Fire" track listing:
    01. World On Fire
    02. Shadow Life
    03. Automatic Overdrive
    04. Wicked Stone
    05. 30 Years To Life
    06. Bent To Fly
    07. Stone Blind
    08. Too Far Gone
    09. Beneath The Savage Sun
    10. Withered Delilah
    11. Battleground
    12. Dirty Girl
    13. Iris Of The Storm
    14. Avalon
    15. The Dissident
    16. Safari Inn
    17. The Unholy
    The cover artwork for "World On Fire" was designed by American contemporary artist Ron English and can be seen below.
    "World On Fire", which features the blazing title track as the first single, will be made available four weeks in advance of the U.K. general release as a Classic Rock Fanpack, which consists of:
    * The full album
    * 116-page magazine featuring exclusive interviews with Slash, the band, producer Michael Baskette and cover artist Ron English. A Slash and Myles track-by-track breakdown. Exclusive pictures from the recording sessions as well as a brand new shoot, competition and much more.
    * Giant double-sided A1 poster
    * Metal pin badge
    Slash recently spoke with the U.K.'s Kerrang! magazine about his third solo album. He remarked, "All I can tell you is that it's a really fucking great record. I'm very proud of it, but I don't want to get into, 'Oh, dude, it's epic,' or 'It's the heaviest thing ever.' It's very rock and roll, and, as always, it's very diverse in feel, and I'm just super, super proud of everything that we collectively put into making the thing. It's just going to be a bitchin' record."
    Slash added that he and his band have grown a lot together during the making of the new CD, saying, "The band has become so synergetic. I showed the music to the guys, and what they wrote flowed immediately. I was really amazed at how, from the second we started pre-production up 'till now, the record just flowed. It's rare that it happens like that."
    Regarding the musical direction of the new album, singer Myles Kennedy said: "It's very rock. It's more up-tempo than the last record was. Slash has got some really great riffs on this record. Killer stuff…"
    "The material on this album is more serious and more fun at the same time, which is a tough balance," added bassist Todd Kerns. "The songs are sleazier, tougher and more dangerous. We're all very excited to unleash the monster upon you as soon as we can."
    Slash released his first self-titled solo effort in 2010.
    The legendary guitarist employed a different vocalist on each track of his first album, before settling on ALTER BRIDGE member Kennedy for both touring and eventually recording.
    "Apocalyptic Love" earned Slash his two first-ever No. 1 U.S. rock radio hits with "You're A Lie" and "Standing In The Sun". The record's third single, "Anastasia", cracked the Top 10 at both Modern and Active Rock.
    Slash and AEROSMITH will team up for a U.S. tour this summer.
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    "We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out. We've worked more on some of those things and we've written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That's already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That's been done for a while, too. But after Vegas, we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard."

    AXL ROSE -- THE GUNS N' ROSES FRONTMAN AND RONNIE JAMES DIO LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD WINNER TELLS NO LIES

    "We were making jokes backstage that after I went out to get my award, you were gonna shove me in a tube or something, like in The Running Man," Axl Rose says with a laugh. "Gotta go down below and fight or whatever..."

    Much to Rose's relief, upon accepting his Ronnie James Dio Lifetime Achievement Award, Revolver did not send him, statue still in hand, to battle any subterranean warriors. But following laudatory speeches from comic legend Andrew "Dice" Clay and a spirited Nicolas Cage, Rose did indeed get right to work. The singer and his Guns N' Roses bandmatesguitarists DJ Ashba, Bumblefoot, and Richard Fortus; keyboardists Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman; drummer Frank Ferrer; and original Gunner Duff McKagan. (filling in for current bassist Tommy Stinson, who is off on a reunion jaunt with his old band, the Replacements)took to the Golden Gods stage to close out the show in grand fashion, plowing through a nine-song, hour-plus-long set that featured plenty of Appetite for Destruction ("It's So Easy," "Welcome to the Jungle," "Paradise City") and Use Your Illusion ("You Could Be Mine," "November Rain," "Knockin' on Heaven's Door") classics, with a few 21st century Guns tunes (the Chinese Democracy tracks "Better" and "This I Love") thrown in for good measure. It was a dynamic, career-spanning performance, as befitting an artist who had just been honored for a lifetime's worth of musical achievements. Which is not to say that all those achievements are in the past. As Rose tells Revolver in this rare and exclusive interview, there is still much work ahead for Guns N' Roses, both onstage and, he reveals, in the studio. (The band will release a new DVD and Blu-ray, Appetite For Democracy 3D: Live at the Hard Rock Casino - Las Vegas, on July 1.) So while he was happy to accept his Lifetime Achievement Award, he also makes it clear that he is still far from done.

    "Hopefully, there'll be at least a few more years," Rose says, "and then we can judge everything a little better." He laughs again. "If I'm lucky!"

    Congratulations on winning the Ronnie James Dio Lifetime Achievement Award.

    Thank you. It was actually kind of a surprise to me. And I appreciate it and stuff, but personally, I don't feel like I've done enough of anything to have a lifetime achievement award. But that's just me. I know other people were really happy for me about it so that was a good thing. I just feel like, you know, it's been a long, slow process beyond comprehension with Chinese Democracy, but it's still moving forward and there's a lot more that we hope to do.

    It was a nice moment when Nicolas Cage came out to present you with the statue.

    He's a big fan. We hadn't met before, but it's my understanding that he reached out wanting to do it. So it came together and we met before the show and it was really cool. But I didn't hear anything that he or Dice said about me onstage. It didn't come through my in-ear [monitors]. And really, anything they did say that was complimentary, it's probably better that I didn't hear it so I wasn't more embarrassed.

    One thing Nicolas Cage did admit to was that he prepared for his role as Johnny Blaze in the movie Ghost Rider by studying what he called your "cobra-like onstage movement."

    He told me that before the show! Because we were talking about some of his movies and I said I really liked the second Ghost Rider. And so he told me about it. He said it was kind of like I was in his movie.

    So when you watched it, did you stop and say, "Wait a minute..."

    [Laughs] I don't know about that. Though I would like to have some of those abilities...

    How did Dice come to be part of the presentation?

    I've known Dice for a long time. But I hadn't seen him since we played the Gibson Amphitheatre [in L.A.], back in '06, I think. And I don't exactly know how everything came together with his speech, but he did ask me before the show if I had been Gmail-ing him. And I was like, "Nope. I don't Gmail." So somebody's been Gmail-ing Dice, acting like they're me.

    The headline act at the Golden Gods typically plays four or five songs. Guns N' Roses did nine.

    We wanted to do that. We were very happy that you guys allowed us to do that. We were glad to be asked to do it and we had fun with it.

    And yet for Guns it was actually a pretty short performance you've been known to play gigs that run close to three hours.

    When we do that, as a band, we know we gave the most we could and we gave what felt right. And, generally, we like to give people more than they feel they paid for. I don't think it's necessarily fair for people to expect that from us, but it's something where we feel good when we do it. Like we rose to the challenge and we delivered and we didn't take the easy way out. We like that.

    ]Is there a song of yours that is your favorite to play onstage?

    I can't really think of a favorite. I just kind of look at whatever particular show we have to do as a whole. But one thing I do like to do when I'm not playing or singing onstage is I like talking through the microphone into the other guys' in-ears and telling them jokes and stuff to try to mess up their playing. [Laughs]

    Really? Who's the easiest to mess with?

    DJ and Dizzy. I'll talk to them during their solos. That's always a lot of fun...

    Duff told us that it's been a great experience for him to play with Guns again.

    It went really well. He worked really hard on the parts and he liked playing the newer songs from Chinese. And you know, it's pretty funny because we'd go to talk about certain things from Illusions, and there's things he doesn't remember, there's things I don't remember. We kind of finish some of each other's memories sometimes. And the Duff that played these shows with us isn't really the Duff that I knew from what I'd call "Old Guns" or the Appetite lineup or the Illusions lineup. Because with this lineup, everybody goes out and tries to do their very best, and every guy's on. I don't have to tell the other guys what to do, they do it on their own. They push each other really, really hard. That also pushed Duff, and he liked the challenge of that. And he got along with the guys really well. He and some of the band and crew were doing their yoga together during the days we were out there, so...

    I would imagine that's not what was going on in earlier years.

    Back in the day? No. Definitely not doing yoga. [Laughs] That's when they would drink as much as they could. And they had this game they would play where they would jump over this ditch and slam themselves into a fence. And then slide down into the ditch, kind of in a coma. That was their version of exercise back then.

    It was great to see and hear you and Duff pairing up on the vocals in "It's So Easy," just like in the old days.

    That was a fun thing about some of these shows. Because there's also things like that little line in "Civil War" "Peace could last forever." Duff wrote that line, and he sings it. And I've always been a fan of Duff's voice. There's a punk element to it and a sincerity to it. I like hearing it.

    Do you think you and Duff will do more work together?

    It's possible. I don't know yet. It depends on scheduling, or what shows Tommy [Stinson] wants to do with the Replacements and stuff like that. And you know, almost everybody in the band has some kind of issue going on, personally. There's people who have lost family members. Other people are dealing with separations. Sometimes court gets in the way. Real life!

    Where do things stand as far as recording new Guns N' Roses music?

    We recorded a lot of things before Chinese was out. We've worked more on some of those things and we've written a few new things. But basically, we have what I call kind of the second half of Chinese. That's already recorded. And then we have a remix album made of the songs from Chinese. That's been done for a while, too. But after Vegas [Guns N' Roses performed a residency at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino that ran through early June], we're going to start looking very seriously at what we're doing in that regard.

    Back when you were starting out with Guns, what was your idea of success?

    Well, I think Guns N' Roses achieved a lot of that. There were things that you were disillusioned by, but there were a lot of other things that would be considered achieving success. The amount of sales. The amount of people that were into it. Things like that. But I think that as much as we tried to be on top of the business, we were very naïve business-wise. I think there were things we could have done better, and I feel the labels and the attorneys and the A&R men all knew that. But they wanted the band to be set up in a way where they could attempt to manipulate it. And that didn't really work out for anybody. Including them. You know, we still have not done what I consider a legitimate U.S. tour [with the current lineup] because of prior managers and agents attempting to manipulate it so that it wouldn't be as successful as it could be. In order to try to steer me toward wanting a reunion [of the original lineup].

    You feel that people have pushed you to try to make that happen?

    Well, I feel there's people in the industry who feel that they can make some money off that. So that's what they want. Even our last U.S. arena tour, that was put together by yet another manager and agent, who we eventually let go and took the tour over. But at the time of taking it over, most of it was already in place. So then we made it work for us, but had it been set up the way we feel it should have been from the beginning it could have been more successful than it was.

    It sounds as if, when you look back over your career, you have some regrets.

    I think saying you don't have any regrets has become a popular thing for a lot of pop stars or whatever over the years. But I never buy that. So yeah, there's things that I could've been done better...or not. At the same time, I don't know if I would have been able to do a lot of things, as far as with Guns N' Roses and how that's gone, any differently.

    As Revolvers Lifetime Achievement Award recipient, who do you think deserves a lifetime achievement award?

    It's hard to say. Mick Jagger? To me, Mick Jagger is one of the greatest athletes who ever lived, just for how much he puts into it onstage. I saw the Stones in Vegas on their last tour and it's evident how hard they work at it.

    Like Jagger, can you see yourself still doing what you do at age 70?

    I'm starting to get there! [Laughs] Bastard makes you work for it, doesn't he?

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    so happy the release date of July 1st has been confirmed for the Vegas blu ray!

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    Between that interview and his response to the whole "greatest singer" stuff, he seems a lot more reserved and humble than I might have given him credit for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaneSax View Post
    so happy the release date of July 1st has been confirmed for the Vegas blu ray!
    I wish they wouldn't have cut Don't Let It Bring You Down Maybe they couldn't get Neil Young to sign off on the rights?

    Guns N’ Roses to Release 3D Concert DVD ‘Appetite for Democracy 3D: Live at the Hard Rock Casino – Las Vegas’

    Filmed at The Joint in Las Vegas


    In November 2012, with a team of 3D cameras rolling, the legendary, multi-platinum selling rock band Guns N’ Roses took the desert by storm, performing a blistering set at The Joint in the Hard Rock Casino in Las Vegas. Clocking in at just under three hours, the band’s explosive set includes all of their biggest hits and classic GNR staples.

    Universal Music Enterprises (UMe) will release the live Guns N’ Roses concert film Appetite For Democracy 3D: Live at the Hard Rock Casino - Las Vegas, on July 1, 2014, which will be available in North America on Blu-ray™, featuring the complete concert film in both 3D and 2D plus an interactive 3D photo gallery, and standard DVD featuring the 2D version of the film. Both releases are mixed in 5.1 Surround Sound and feature bonus interviews with the band. The GN’R Appetite For Democracy Official App (IOS/Android) brings the concert experience to a new level by connecting GNR directly with their fans, allowing fans to connect with each other via social media, buy exclusive merchandise, check tour/cinema dates for the movie, preview digital tracks of the film; and purchase or stream via VOD the digital long form concert.

    Produced by Rock Fuel Media's Barry Summers, Appetite For Democracy 3D is the first official Guns N’ Roses live concert film since 1992’s Use Your Illusion concert video and features brand new live performances of classic GNR tracks including “Welcome To The Jungle,” “Sweet Child O’ Mine,” “Mr. Brownstone,” “Paradise City,” “Nightrain,” “It’s So Easy” and “Rocket Queen,” from their pivotal, 1987 No. 1 debut album Appetite For Destruction; “Patience” and “Used To Love Her” from 1988’s No. 2 charting album Lies; “November Rain,” “Don’t Cry,” “Civil War” and “Estranged” from their 1991 releases Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II, the latter shooting to No. 1 on The Billboard 200; and current favorites off their 2008 No. 3 album Chinese Democracy including “Better,” “Catcher In The Rye,” “This I Love,” “Street of Dreams” and the album’s title track. Appetite For Democracy 3D also features the band’s signature versions of Paul McCartney’s “Live and Let Die” and Bob Dylan’s “Knockin’ On Heaven’s Door;” powerful renditions of The Who’s “The Seeker” and Pink Floyd’s “Another Brick In The Wall Pt. 2;” plus performances of Bumblefoot’s “Objectify” featuring Guns N’ Roses guitarist Ron “Bumblefoot” Thal on vocals and Tommy Stinson’s “Motivation” with Stinson taking over the mic.

    In 1987 Guns N’ Roses burst onto the hard rock scene and, with their punk rock ethics and an uncompromising, explosive sound, turned a scene filled with synth-pop and hair-metal on its end, propelling the band to the top of the charts. Filling stadiums and arenas across the globe, much like The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin and Sex Pistols, Guns N’ Roses wrote their own chapter in rock and roll history and continue to make their own rules.

    Now, celebrated worldwide as one of the most important rock acts in music history, Guns N’ Roses are Axl Rose, DJ Ashba (guitar), Dizzy Reed (keyboards), Tommy Stinson (bass), Richard Fortus (guitar), Ron “Bumblefoot” Thal (guitar), Chris Pitman (keyboards) and Frank Ferrer (drums). Guns N’ Roses continue on their sold-out global arena tour, with shows in the US, Europe, visits to Latin America and multiple festivals, having played to millions of fans around the globe.


    TRACK LISTING
    Chinese Democracy
    Welcome To The Jungle
    It’s So Easy
    Mr. Brownstone
    Estranged
    Rocket Queen
    Live And Let Die
    This I Love
    Better
    Motivation
    Catcher In The Rye
    Street Of Dreams
    You Could Be Mine
    Sweet Child O’ Mine
    Another Brick In The Wall part 2
    November Rain
    Objectify
    Don’t Cry
    Civil War
    The Seeker
    Knockin’ On Heaven’s Door
    Nightrain
    Used To Love Her
    Patience
    Paradise City

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhettButler View Post
    very very excited myself. Wish there were more "Chinese" songs though

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaneSax View Post
    very very excited myself. Wish there were more "Chinese" songs though
    Yeah, but five songs is still a pretty good sampling. At least the band is pretty active now. Hopefully we'll get that "second half of Chinese Democracy" this year.

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    Appetite For Democracy is out now!
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    I'm watching the new DVD right now and it's killer--much better than the bloated 1992 performance from the UYI tour.

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    Ehhh, I'd rather just bust out my copy of Live at the Ritz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhettButler View Post
    I'm watching the new DVD right now and it's killer--much better than the bloated 1992 performance from the UYI tour.
    I'm not sure I can go THAT far but I'm digging it. Rockfuel claims there was no re-recording of vocals. Does anyone have a 3-D TV? I bought the 3-D version since it was only a few bucks more than the DVD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W Axl Rose View Post
    I'm not sure I can go THAT far but I'm digging it. Rockfuel claims there was no re-recording of vocals. Does anyone have a 3-D TV? I bought the 3-D version since it was only a few bucks more than the DVD.
    I just have the standard DVD. Some people claim that Axl can't sing anymore, but he sounds much better here than on the 1992 DVD, where is was always winded.

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    I have no idea if concert DVD's sell anymore but maybe if this does decently it'll encourage the record company to reach out to Axl to release the rest of the Chi-Dem material.

    Guns N' Roses keyboardist Dizzy Reed shared a brief update on the band's new album progress, saying that things are definitely happening.

    Asked by Rock Revival on whether the fresh record's coming any time soon, Dizzy replied:

    "That's the plan, although we haven't really discussed it for a while. There's a lot of stuff people need to hear that's ready to come out. It's gonna happen, I just don't have an actual date for you yet. My fingers are crossed, but they're getting a little bit looser. I think it'll be happening soon."

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    Hope so, I really liked Chinese Democracy and would love to hear what else the band recorded from that era.

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    Not bad, but Slash seems to be playing it safe, IMO--sounds a bit generic. I like Myles with Alter Bridge but I wish Slash was working with another singer.


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    So MSL claims that Axl has fired Beta... interesting if true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaneSax View Post
    So MSL claims that Axl has fired Beta... interesting if true.
    Bah---what does he know? Give us a release date that turns out to be true and I'll pay attention to what he has to say. There was also a rumor that Ron left the band.

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