11/08/2022, The Midterms, aka build on 2020 aka The Election Thread

[Jinsai]

now that the options are narrowing, I'm Sanders > Biden. It's looking like it's coming down to that... and it feels weird.

[allegro]

I look at it this way - Bernie supporters need us for Bernie to win and we need them if we want to get Trump out, whether they fucking like it or not. That goes to passive supporters and the diehards. So, everybody needs to get out of their fucking mentions, stop reading Twitter, and go out there and vote for your favorite candidate because last night showed that even though Bernie has the clearest path to the nomination, Joe is still viable. Amy and Pete need to take a hard look and figure out if they're going to stay in this or drop out and consolidate their supporters behind Joe. Warren... we'll just see what happens on Super Tuesday.

Amy and Elizabeth were allegedly asked to stay in because Liz will take Mass. and Amy will take Minn. on Super Tuesday. But, I think after Super Tuesday, things will shake out.

Our early voting starts tomorrow, March 2nd (our election is March 17th). I *LOVE* voting early, SO nice.

now that the options are narrowing, I'm Sanders > Biden. It's looking like it's coming down to that... and it feels weird.

Yeah, two dudes who are nearly 80, this is kinda surreal, actually. My Mom is gonna be 82, and she can't find her keys most of the time. And she walks nearly 2 miles per day and works on her Excel spreadsheets and stuff, it isn't like she's in a nursing home. She doesn’t have any heart conditions and the biggest reason I help her is because she has pretty bad glaucoma. But memory gets worse and worse. And that’s nothing compared to impaired balance, etc.

And, as her caregiver most of the time, I'm seeing it from that perspective.

It's one big reason why I was on board for Kamala Harris. She's "only" 55.

JFK was 44 when he was inaugurated. FDR was 42 when he was inaugurated for his first term. Obama was 47.

When Reagan left office, he was 77 and he had dementia that they'd been hiding for at least a few years. We are seeing plenty of signs, now, with Trump.

Both Biden and Sanders need REALLY smart VP choices. They’d be smart to announce them sooner than later.

[theimage13]

I'd be lying if I said the age thing didn't concern me a little (with ANY candidate). That said, I've also had the pleasure of working with a lot of people who are much older than them, and I've seen my share of the 80+ crowd who seem sharp as a tack. I've seen the opposite side of that up close and personal too. I guess I'm just trying to keep myself optimistic, since we're not going to have a nominee under 70.

Also, I know it's only one poll, but just something to think about re: MA. Sanders opens substantial lead in Mass

Never thought I'd say this, but I don't think Warren winning MA is a given. Possible? Yes. But far from certain.

[Sarah K]

Holy shit. Pete's out.

Did NOT see that coming!

[versusreality]

Holy shit. Pete's out.

Did NOT see that coming!

not surprised. he's anti Bernie so I'm expecting the majority of his followers to support Biden (which may have been the plan with him dropping in the first place) . that and his funds were low.

[allegro]

Pete wasn’t gonna meet the 15% threshold. It’s the same reason Steyer dropped out.

[cdm]

Amy Klob: OUT. Endorsing Biden, will join him tonight at Dallas rally.

[Demogorgon]

Propaganda machine is in full swing in favor of Biden. Out of 10 headlines I read today about Biden and/or Sanders, every one pf them was for Biden and negative towards Sanders. Bernie still has more overall delegates pledged, doesn't he? You wouldn't know it based on headlines alone.

[ryanmcfly]

Prepared to vote for whoever the Dem is in november, but I hope it isn't Joe Biden. Then we'll have to hear about Hunter Biden and Ukraine for several more years. That's all the repubs will talk about if he wins. Would rather deal with "Bernie is an evil socialist" for four years.

[allegro]

Prepared to vote for whoever the Dem is in november, but I hope it isn't Joe Biden. Then we'll have to hear about Hunter Biden and Ukraine for several more years. That's all the repubs will talk about if he wins. Would rather deal with "Bernie is an evil socialist" for four years.

Either one is intended to cause the same bullshit obstruction. Same thing they did to Obama for 8 years (“evil dictator overstepping executive power”).

Those hypocrites were fully behind the firing of Shokin. The minute Trump is gone, they’ll forget that narrative.

Meanwhile, why is Tulsi still in this thing?

[allegro]

Bernie still has more overall delegates pledged, doesn't he? You wouldn't know it based on headlines alone.

Sanders currently has 6 more delegates than Biden.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...gates-tracker/

I’m still seeing “Zombie Biden HQ” type articles.

Rep. Clyburn has taken over a big chunk of control of Biden’s campaign.

[versusreality]

can't see Warren staying in much longer.

Biden, Bloomberg, and Bernie. triple B.

[halo eighteen]

can't see Warren staying in much longer.

Biden, Bloomberg, and Bernie. triple B.

omg HTDA song!!!111

[allegro]

I actually think Bloomberg will drop out before Warren?

He’s being a pretty big egotistical dick right now, though.


We have partial season Blackhawks tickets, and one of the games is against the Kings TOMORROW NIGHT!!!

My husband just put them up for sale on the Hawks exchange. No way we missing ST.

[ickyvicky]

Pete is endorsing Biden now.

[allegro]

Pete is endorsing Biden now.

So is a pretty big growing list of Democrats.

[sweeterthan]

can't see Warren staying in much longer.

Biden, Bloomberg, and Bernie. triple B.

Boo. Warren has been my first choice all along. Guess we’ll let the straight white dudes battle it out.

[versusreality]

never heard of them but interesting points

[ltrandazzo]

Amy and Pete need to take a hard look and figure out if they're going to stay in this or drop out and consolidate their supporters behind Joe.

Man, maybe I can get back in the prediction game.

[allegro]

[allegro]

Amy Klob: OUT. Endorsing Biden, will join him tonight at Dallas rally.

Amy had to cancel a rally in Minnesota, did NOT look good for her prospects, there.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...esota-n1146731

[Magtig]

My prediction for Super Tuesday:
Biden will over-perform the polls. Pete & Amy dropped out, yes, but what I don't see people talking about is that Biden is now seen as viable. This was the whole reason Bloomberg ran (plus his insanely entitled ego). We very well could see a large migration from him to Biden tomorrow. Kind of a perfect shit storm for Bernie, who I'd far prefer to either of them.
What are your predictions for tomorrow?

[cdm]

Pete, Amy, and...Beto?? This is like watching Royal Rumble.

[allegro]

This doesn't totally surprise me, actually. IT'S TEXAS.

[Demogorgon]

I continue to maintain that the establishment Democrats prefer Biden over Bernie and they will try their hardest to give him the nomination, hence all of the endorsements despite his poor caucusing up to this point. I said it from the beginning and while Bernie's sudden surge threw me a curveball, I still believe that Biden will get the nomination in the end. If that happens, there is a solid contingent of the "Bernie Bros" who will be so up in arms that they will refuse to vote and more or less hand the Presidency back to Trump for a second term.

[GulDukat]

Anyone watching MSNBC tonight? Seems like it's BidenTV.

[Magnetic]

I continue to maintain that the establishment Democrats prefer Biden over Bernie and they will try their hardest to give him the nomination, hence all of the endorsements despite his poor caucusing up to this point. I said it from the beginning and while Bernie's sudden surge threw me a curveball, I still believe that Biden will get the nomination in the end. If that happens, there is a solid contingent of the "Bernie Bros" who will be so up in arms that they will refuse to vote and more or less hand the Presidency back to Trump for a second term.

I agree, and I think a lot of this mentality is what handed the Drump win in 2016. The sanctimonious Bernie Bros need to hold their noses and vote democrat, just as I would have done if Bernie had the nod. Otherwise we are dealing with another 4 years of the chaotic angry cheeto.

[Magtig]

I continue to maintain that the establishment Democrats prefer Biden over Bernie and they will try their hardest to give him the nomination, hence all of the endorsements despite his poor caucusing up to this point. I said it from the beginning and while Bernie's sudden surge threw me a curveball, I still believe that Biden will get the nomination in the end. If that happens, there is a solid contingent of the "Bernie Bros" who will be so up in arms that they will refuse to vote and more or less hand the Presidency back to Trump for a second term.

This question came up with another friend (who was shittier to who after nominations were won). I looked a bunch of stuff about it up and found some interesting things. 25% of Hillary's supporters voted McCain. Only 12% of Bernie's people crossed over to Trump. So that entire media narrative about Bernie voters "betraying" the party just isn't supported by the facts, the opposite is. Bernie campaigned far more for Hillary than Hillary did for Obama as well. I keep saying these things for the simple reason that they are true, but it never seems to absorb. Everyone who hated Bernie then still hates him just as much now for the same false reasons.


Can you imagine if Bernie were more like Hillary? What if she was running and Bernie wasn't and he was on the sidelines saying, "Nobody likes her, nobody wants to work with her, she got nothing done. She is a career politician. It's all just baloney, and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it."

[Sarah K]

But whole campaign from the troll wing was Bernie or Bust, not Bernie or Trump (though I recognize that Trump was included in the "Bust" part). And those that did crossover were enough, by themselves, to throw the outcome in key states.

IIRC, they voted for other candidates in roughly the same number, and ~5% just didn't vote at all, adding up to about 1 in 4 of his primary voters.

Open to being corrected on these numbers as they are off the top of my head, I'm old, it's late, and I'm going to bed.

[Wretchedest]

I agree with that, but it's also true that the DNC is actually rallying against a popular candidate and trying to get their nomination through insider politics rather than listening to voters.

They are playing with fire. It was understandable in 2016 when Trump was thought to be a complete joke, but now choosing to double down on that division is on the DNC, not the Bernie brosz as toxic as they are.