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    RE: it taking Hervis Rogers 7 hours to get to vote, it's so fucked up that our citizens have to go through that shit just to exercise their constitutional right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    Warren dropping out would not help bring in Black voters. I think instead of obsessing over her that camp should strategize about how to do that. Because that’s who any candidate needs to appeal to - that’s the base.

    This is all of course really informal but I’ve been keeping an eye on discussions re: Black voters preferring Biden and the major recurring themes seem to be:

    Name recognition
    Trust (this one surprised me!) and distrust of the other options
    A return to Obama-era policies & normalcy
    He will improve what they started with ACA
    Relatable
    You make a good point. Considering how predominantly white the Warren bloc has been, her supporters (or at least a portion of them) moving to Sanders doesn't help him much in that department.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah K View Post
    Also this assumption that the vast majority of Warren will go to Sanders I think is not reality. I can see it being a bit over half, 55 - 60% but not the 98% they seem to think it will be.
    Your sense of this is similar to mine - a little more than half of her support would probably flop to Sanders, with a smaller but still relevant chunk probably going for Biden.

    But at this point, forget her effect on Sanders - her staying in doesn't help her either. She hasn't won a single state, or even placed above third, including an embarrassing loss in her home state. She has nothing to gain by limping to the convention with a few dozen delegates.

    Sanders has made inroads with the black community since 2016 - recently polling ahead of Biden among African American voters nationally - but he still has a lot of work to do on that front and I'm not surprised that Biden retained a lot of his strength with them. The man's tenure as Vice President to the nation's first black President has played a much bigger role in his public image over the past decade than his (generally awful) legislative record in the preceding decades. The other big story here, in my opinion, is the media's utter failure in covering Biden and carrying water for his campaign's ludicrous "I'm the safest and most electable" nonsense. Exit polls show electability was a huge issue for voters, so it would seem that opposing campaigns and the media were successful in painting Sanders campaign as risky and uncertain when it comes to beating Trump. Which is sad because I have little to no expectation that Biden can win.

    Given how soft the media has been on Biden (that Mandela lie was barely a blip on the mainstream news) and the degree to which his campaign has tried to pass itself off as something it isn't, Sanders' best option at this point is broadcasting, as loudly and clearly as possible through any means available, the massive gulf between Biden's friendly public image and his awful record / plans for the presidency. It will be an uphill battle, but having only one target has potential to give the campaign focus. It's not over and I'm not giving up.

    Quote Originally Posted by eachpassingphase View Post
    the snake emoji shit make Berners look unhinged. All that time spent shitposting can be better used having a conversation with somebody about Bernie's ideas. Liz supporters are human beings, if you want to fight for the rights of Liz supporters then a great place to start is by acknowledging their humanity and dignity and quit being a dick on twitter.
    While I understand the rage and frustration behind this corner of Sanders' supporters, I will be the first to admit that they are often too aggressive and scathing for their own good. But if snake emojis on Twitter influence someone's choice of candidate more than, say, trying to stop people from dying because they can't afford healthcare, they are as privileged as the Bernie dead-enders who sat out the general in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deacon Blackfire View Post
    Sanders' best option at this point is broadcasting, as loudly and clearly as possible through any means available, the massive gulf between Biden's friendly public image and his awful record / plans for the presidency.
    The risk here though is in damaging Biden in such a way that, if Biden does end up getting the nomination, he'll look even more tainted and less capable of beating Trump, thus setting a weighty hammer to voter enthusiasm. This plan has way too much of a chance of blowing up in Bernie's face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demogorgon View Post
    The risk here though is in damaging Biden in such a way that, if Biden does end up getting the nomination, he'll look even more tainted and less capable of beating Trump, thus setting a weighty hammer to voter enthusiasm. This plan has way too much of a chance of blowing up in Bernie's face.
    While there is some risk here, I really don't think Republicans are going to attack Joe for not being liberal enough. They're going to go gangbusters on Burisma, Ukraine, and nepotism. Or corruption, in short.

    What I do not see is any way for Bernie to actually capture the nomination. Even if Warren dropped out and signed on as his VP, it still seems incredibly unlikely.

    This might be a good thing. Sanders was relying heavily on young voters, who have simply not turned out. Better for that to happen now than in the general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deacon Blackfire View Post
    RE: it taking Hervis Rogers 7 hours to get to vote, it's so fucked up that our citizens have to go through that shit just to exercise their constitutional right.
    Totally true, and this is because the U.S. Supreme Court gutted the Voters Rights Act.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/this...g-lines-2020-3

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...te/4952084002/

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ng-rights-act/
    Last edited by allegro; 03-04-2020 at 08:27 PM.

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