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    I don't know when it's going to happen, but I strongly suspect that the Republican party is going to be bankrupt soon, especially with Trump having hijacked it to pay his legal fees.

    When that happens, any sane conservatives would likely attempt to form a new, Trumpless conservative party.

    I could be wrong, but I just don't think they're going to be able to pay for him for all that long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Suicide View Post
    Banking on scary hypotheticals and acting as if every other standing member in the House and Senate would allow a voluntary dictatorship to form without him leaving office is fantasy at best. He would forcibly exit by a legal ground and at the very least, not wishing it goes this route, they could potentially move forward with a messy public arrest for not honoring election terms and laws. January 6th didn't go far enough as his ACTUAL physical involvement was limited. Had his person been amidst a crowd and actually in a place he shouldn't I think we'd be talking differently. The thought that this dolt would actually stand a chance as a long serving "leader" is laughable. Using buzzwords like "dictator" mean more to me than the normal person I guess. To me my mind immediately goes to lifelong serving leaders that will not leave and will not have the ability to leave due to the active serving government under them. The US government would not concede any power to cater to his actual whims like what a real dictatorship is in places like North Korea and off shoots like Russia and Saudi Arabia would.

    He's a bad choice for America for sure but flippantly using those types of words dilutes them and makes them less serious when actual times arise when they should be used. Fascist, authoritarian, racist, communist, socialist, nazi, groomer and "woke" all have but lost their punch when they are so broadly used and for most things on a passing glance.



    Well when you have a constant influx of money donations from idiot donors 24/7 what do you expect?
    I don't think it's at all flippant to call Trump a would-be dictator. He attempted a coup. He lies about winning an election and he refused to concede. It doesn't matter that he wasn't actually at the Capitol during the riot. He told his rabid followers to "fight like hell" and ordered them to the Capitol, saying that he would be right there with them.

    If Trump is re-elected, he and his followers are laying the groundwork for a dictatorship. Project 25 has been mentioned here. The moderates like Romney are leaving. If Trump wins, who's to say there will be an adult in the room? If Trump refuses to step down, and his cabinet and others in the Federal government are his loyalists, who is going to stop him? There could well be a constitutional crisis. If Mike Pence had gone along with Trump on 1/6, the coup might have happened.

    I'm not one for hyperbole, but I don't think talk of Trump being a dictator is.

    I would be happy to be wrong, but Trump is a threat to American Democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    Trump found the money for the bond of the appeal, that's not sus at all.
    I was about to say "he's paying bond for a fraud trial, shouldn't they be asking for receipts of how he was able to gather such a large sum so quickly?"
    But it was the $91.6 million for the defamation judgment in the E. Jean Carroll Case.

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    I don’t know… so far, Trump has seemed pretty much impervious to any checks and balances. He encouraged a mob to start chanting “hang Mike Pence!” He’s impeached twice and it means nothing; he’s still running for president. He could be found guilty of a felony, and yet still be allowed to run for president (but not vote… felons can’t vote). Even McConnell, who puts party before country every chance he gets, pointed the finger at Trump for Jan 6th, and it meant nothing.

    The Supreme Court is currently actually going to hear an argument that the president is immune from prosecution. Everyone thinks their system will protect them from a dictatorship until it doesn’t.

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    https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/13/polit...ase/index.html

    Resist the urge to get upset about this. CNN has rather fairly reported whereas other news outlets are more pants-on-fire. They can move to re-indict on those counts if they're rewritten and presented again to a grand jury, which would lead to a superseding indictment.

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    Judge rules Fani Willis can stay on Georgia case, but only if prosecutor steps down

    Not ideal - but then being in this situation at all isn't ideal - but at least he's not tossing the whole thing.

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    Fani is staying on.

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    Nathan Wade resigns as Trump special prosecutor, saving Fani Willis' Georgia election case

    Reading a lot of comments on youtube. This one stuck out:
    So funny how the criminal in all this says the worst shit but you guys wanna focus on the good guys

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    Trump faces having New York property seized after failing to pay $454m in fraud case

    If Trump fails to pay up, the state "could levy and sell his assets, lien his real property, and garnish anyone who owes him money," according to Syracuse University law professor Gregory Germain.

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    It's insane that the judge can be this obvious with the crap she's pulling.

    Mar-a-Lago Judge’s Stark Ruling: Jury Sees Secret Files or Trump Wins
    The MAGA-friendly federal judge who keeps siding with Donald Trump in his Mar-a-Lago classified records case has forced prosecutors to make a stark choice: allow jurors to see a huge trove of national secrets or let him go.

    U.S. District Judge Aileen M. Cannon’s ultimatum Monday night came as a surprise twist in what could have been a simple order; one merely asking federal prosecutors and Trump’s lawyers for proposed jury instructions at the upcoming trial.

    But as she has done repeatedly, Cannon used this otherwise innocuous legal step as yet another way to swing the case wildly in favor of the man who appointed her while he was president.

    Department of Justice Special Counsel Jack Smith must now choose whether to allow jurors at the upcoming criminal trial to peruse the many classified records found at the former president’s South Florida mansion or give jurors instructions that would effectively order them to acquit him.

    Alternatively, Smith could appeal to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals, where more experienced judges have already overturned Cannon and reined her in. But doing that will only further delay a trial that’s at least three months behind schedule, entirely by the judge’s own design. (She froze the investigation and tried to slow-roll document review until the appellate court forced her to stop.)
    I was thinking this morning, it's so weird that she isn't getting death/bomb threats but Engoron and James and Willis are. Huh, I wonder what the difference is.

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    Engoron also ordered the Trump Organization to supply detailed information to the monitor about its efforts to obtain bonds to cover judgments. “The Trump Organization shall inform the monitor, in advance, of any efforts to secure surety bonds, including any financial disclosures requested or required, any information provided in response to such requests, any representations made by Trump Organization in connection with securing such bonds any personal guarantees made by any of the defendants, and any obligations of the Trump Organization required by the surety,” the judge ordered.
    lol you orange bastard

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/polit...ust/index.html

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    not surprised

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    Is the hush money trial going to be on TV? I've looked online but can't seem to get an answer.

    The American people have a right to watch this, as there is at least a 50 percent chance he could be the next president.

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    Looks like the hush-money trial will not be on TV.

    Your Questions About Donald Trump's Hush-Money Trial Answered

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    Trump team considers Hail Mary plan to avoid hush-money felony conviction: report

    Donald Trump's legal team is considering asking jurors to consider misdemeanor crimes as a way to avoid a likely felony conviction in the hush money trial set to start in Manhattan Monday, according to a report.

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    You know what? I'd almost accept that just to have some kind of conviction-stink on him going into November.

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    Trump's hush money trial begins Monday. Here's what to expect

    Some things to note:

    -Trial will last 6-8 weeks
    -Potential jurors will answer a questionnaire about what news they watch, have they ever attended a Trump rally/protest, etc.

    And here is the meat of what Trump is charged with:
    Prosecutors allege Trump “repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal criminal conduct that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election.”At the heart of the case are allegations of various sex scandals that prosecutors say Trump tried to suppress with the help of his lawyer Michael Cohen and top executives in charge of the National Enquirer. In the final days of the election, Cohen paid $130,000 to one of the women, adult film star Stormy Daniels, to keep silent about her claim she'd had a sexual encounter with Trump in 2006. Trump has denied the allegation.
    After he was elected, Trump reimbursed Cohen through a series of checks from his trust that were processed through the Trump Organization and labeled as payments "for legal services rendered" — a claim the DA says was false.

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    'There will be an arrest': Trump gets stark warning from hush money judge

    This judge doesn't fuck around.

    A warrant for your arrest will be issued and you will be subject to separate prosecution and separate punishment for bail jumping, no matter what happens in this case.

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    Surreal scenes as jurors in New York trial tell Trump what they really think
    One potential juror repeatedly tried to avoid disclosing his opinion of Trump. “If we were sitting at a bar, I’d be happy to tell you, but in this room what I feel about President Trump is not important or inherent to either the case you’re presenting or you’re defending.”

    After repeated prodding, he conceded: “Look: I’ll say I’m a Democrat, so there you go, that’s where it goes with me,” but, he insisted, “I walk in here and he’s a defendant.”
    One woman appreciated Trump’s brashness. “He speaks his mind. Come on: what else can you say about that?” Trump smiled.

    “He says what he wants to say,” she continued. “I want to say some things but my mother said, ‘Be nice.’”
    Man, some of the things they had to read out loud in front of him today were amazing. I can't wait for tomorrow to see his thoughts on their thoughts.

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    Trump hush money trial loses juror who felt 'intimidated,' judge says

    A juror was excused on Thursday from Donald Trump's criminal trial after saying she felt intimidated because some aspects of her identity had been made public, the judge overseeing the case said on Thursday.

    Addressing the court, the juror said family, friends and colleagues had reached out to her after deducing through press accounts that she was on the jury.

    "I don't believe at this point that I can be fair and unbiased, and let the outside influences not affect my decision-making in the courtroom," said the juror, who had been one of seven selected earlier this week.
    The shitty thing is that it wasn't from Trump, it was from the judge reading their social media into the record. I guess it's a double-edged sword of humor to watch Trump squirm but also you can search for those exact phrases and be like "oh look it's Julie from Junius".

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    Someone apparently just threw pamphlets full of conspiracy theories into the air and then lit themselves on fire right in front of CNN at the Courthouse.

    So I guess this is just the way we're processing things in America now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardp View Post
    Someone apparently just threw pamphlets full of conspiracy theories into the air and then lit themselves on fire right in front of CNN at the Courthouse.

    So I guess this is just the way we're processing things in America now?
    it’s so weird. imagine setting yourself on fire for trump! like what? you’re in a cult sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegate View Post
    The shitty thing is that it wasn't from Trump
    Yeah, he has his own shitty pants load to deal with... and the court room smelling his farts.

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    I love how the media tried to make the selection process look difficult, and yet the full jury was seated in about half the time predicted by experts

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweeterthan View Post
    it’s so weird. imagine setting yourself on fire for trump! like what? you’re in a cult sir.
    turns out it was actually just a run-of-the-mill crazy person, not a trump follower.

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