Opinion: President Biden should not run again in 2024 By David Ignatius
I'm voting for Biden of course, should he be the nominee, but I sadly agree with the argument presented here.
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Opinion: President Biden should not run again in 2024 By David Ignatius
I'm voting for Biden of course, should he be the nominee, but I sadly agree with the argument presented here.
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A case of lesser evil. I'd feel better about it if he had Elizabeth Warren as his running mate.Originally Posted by GulDukat
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From Morning Consult:
I'm getting very worried.In an aggregate of surveys from Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, former President Donald Trump leads President Joe Biden by 4 percentage points.
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Don't be, what kind of people actually answer their phone now? OLD ONES.
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Trump leads in five swing-states.
Several polls over a considerable period of time point to Trump winning next year. The alarm bells should be going off. I don't get it. I really don't. He's been indicted four times, tried to overthrow the results of the last election, 1/6, etc. I really don't get it.
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Are we expecting the Israel/Palestine component of the news cycle to last the year? Because that's what's really hitting Biden in these polls.
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Well, looks like 2023 elections went pretty well, other than a few that probably weren't all that close anyway.
For example, Mississippi. The governor is young enough to be there for a long time and he needs to be doing something else with his life other than making sure the state remains number one in terrible things and number 50 for good ones.
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Ah yes, here we have a classic case of the establishment forgetting they need the progressives, and then inevitably the progressives will burn down all of their own causes in protest when it comes time to vote. It's an issue that has very little tangible impact on our country on the surface, but it's lasting impact will be dividing the left to end democracy.
...yay...
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I get what you're saying, and I agree b/c I understand the lesser of two evils pact alot of us make when we step in the voting booth. But, I also don't blame anyone who morally can't bring themselves to vote for the guy b/c of how distraught/angry/grief stricken they may be b/c of the horror that Israel is wreaking, and solely b/c our gov't directly funds it & supports it. The images & stories coming out daily are just so terrible. Some of the worst examples of human suffering you can imagine, and it's a direct result of US policy.
Now, the argument could also be made that Biden's outward full throated support is not matching the behind the scenes diplomacy taking place that, for example, has resulted in this meager supposed 4-6 hour daily break in the bombing. But to expect normal people that to follow the supposed three dimensional political chess taking place as if they were politics junkies like some of us is just not realistic. They are gonna go with what they see from Biden outwardly. And outwardly, it's really really bad & is going to result in tons of people staying home, regardless of whether it's wise or not. Hillary caused the same apathy. I fear this could be worse.
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If 10,000 dead Palestinians a month, cutting off electricity and water and targeting hospitals is what you are willing to accept as justified, you’re a morally bankrupt piece of shit who deserves to lose, and no amount of propaganda, whataboutisms, wonky analysis or lesser of two evils arguments is going to reframe that into a positive light. As always, if it costs the Democrats anything, it will be everyone else’s fault. The lengths people are going to defend this shit is sickening. And if “well, we’ve been killing people all the time” is the best you’ve got, you may as well just say you think imperialism and genocide are acceptable to you. It’s not the compelling argument you think it is and only adds to the apathy and lack of faith. That opposing these things makes somebody a radical or an idealist is disgusting.
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to lighten the mood:
I laughed at what the Trump impersonator on SNL called Tim Scott. "Skim Scott, because he's like skim milk, less than 2%"
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To the DNC, with regard to the presumptive Democratic nominee:
Drop it like it's hot
Drop it like it's hot
Drop it like it's hot
Step aside Joey.
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Opinion What does Gavin Newsom think he’s doing?
...But all of them stood down and pretended there was nothing weird about renominating an 81-year-old man with a 39 percent approval rating. Among party members in good standing, only an obscure congressman, Dean Phillips, has offered token resistance.
But here comes Newsom, who near as I can tell is the only serious Democrat willing to do the responsible thing. Newsom isn’t challenging Biden outright or seeking to upend the party, which is fine. He’s just setting himself up as a clear option, should an option be needed before the convention.
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I wish I could go the entire rest of my lifetime without hearing "The Most Important Election In Our Lifetime" ever again.
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I know but this next one kind of is. If Trump wins in 2024, I don't think he'd leave on 1/20/'29.
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While I agree with what you're saying, losing in 2020 didn't get him out of the news cycle. It didn't stop his style of politics from continuing to grow, and I have a hard time picturing a loss in 2024 stopping the style of politics that he's contaminated the GOP with.
If he loses in 2024, they *probably* won't let him run again, but that won't stop Densantis from trying to run with the same policies, plans and rhetoric. Losing elections isn't enough to make the GOP say "Hey, maybe we should do something differently now", it's causing them to double-down.
At some point, the general population is going to grow tired of hearing "the most important election of our lifetime", and stop paying attention to the very real and necessary alarms being triggered.
The only thing that stops every election from here on out from being the one that saves the USA, is the GOP being completely dissolved. How do we go about making that happen? Because without that, eventually they'll win, and the USA will be done-for.
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Trump is now saying that if the election weren't rigged, he would have won New York and California. I'm so sick of the insanity. Is there anyone on this planet stupid and deluded enough to actually think Trump won California?.
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A lot of his voters know that's bullshit, but will say "that's just Trump being Trump. What about Hunter Biden? I think the economy will be better with him back as president and things were better under his administration."
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you mean other than Trump? Probably the guys I saw while driving through this area that had a giant - like, it looked big and the building wasn't close to the road at all - "Trump Won" banner that was in the style of the 80s GI Joe cartoon "now you know".
I was nobody. Nothing.
Are you all aware off Project 2025? It's BASICALLY a Republican plan to make trump a fucking dictator the day he is inaugurated.
It includes immediately invoking the insurrection act of 1807 (so the military can be used to combat domestic crime), give near absolute power to the executive branch/POTUS, declare that any and all displays of non hetero/cis sexuality are illegal "pornography" (as in flying a rainbow flag is illegal), basically render Congress irrelevant, end or gut MOST of the "administrative branch" of the US (no more FBI, DHS, Department of Education, etc, with POTUS controlling what's left, like EPA, FDA, ), use what is left of the DOJ to go after "Trump's Adversaries," and a bunch of other more shit.
OH YEAH. It also involves removing public college funding, and using that money to fund Trump's "America Academy.'
They are currently using AI to determine who is loyal to (Trump), and 40,000 civil servants will be fired and replaced with 'patriots', aka Trump Loyalists, in every gvmt/civil service position, and a BUNCH of other more shit. In fact, lemme throw down this quote:
"The plan would perform a swift takeover of the entire executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory — a theory proposing the president has ABSOLUTE POWER of the executive branch — upon inauguration"
This dovetails with the horrifying "Agenda 47," which, among MANY other Nazi-style tactics, includes a pledge to "terminate ALL WORK PERMITS for immigrants," and...wait for it..."ROUND UP EVERY 'ILLEGAL ALIEN' AND PLACE THEM IN DETENTION CAMPS.' This also involves giving anyone caught selling drugs the DEATH PENALTY, ARREST all homeless people, and 'TERMINATE THE CONSTITUTION' if POTUS finds evidence of fraud in the 2020 election, (at least Captain Asshole tried to walk THAT one back a LITTLE, but it's there in black and white), "put God back in schools," and whatnot.
Y'all? I know this this sounds like an Alex Jones fever dream of something similar to what the "Marxist Deep State Globalists" will do, one day. I've been expecting this for 20 years: I'm a kooky, crazy conspiracy theorist.
But, see, unfortunately, this shit is VERY real, and these people AREN'T fucking around. These people are VERY smart, VERY well organized, and VERY serious.
THIS IS IT. This is the fucking Dictatorial Theocratic Police State that so many "truthers" have feared for decades, complete with rounding people up and putting them in internment camps.THIS is borderline Nazi Germany.
HOLY SHIT, this is motherfucking YEAR ZERO. Did Trent have a goddamn vision from God? This plan began in 2022. I'm not sure art will be ENOUGH resistance, though.
This is slightly old news: I missed it because of medical shit, and my addiction to geopolitics. I've been going down this hiding-in-plain-sight rabbit hole since yesterday.
If you wanna getcha' taste of it, HERE is the Project 2025 Wikipedia Page. Getcha' pull! Get a slug of it!
There's also a super happy fun 920 page book called Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise- it's one of the "Four Pillars" of Project 2025, and outlines the plan. (I've looked at a bit of it, and it's FAR more disturbing than, say, O9A's Big Black Book of Satan, so be careful with it).
Edit: frighteningly, by almost all accounts at THIS point, trump WILL win. The US was cool while it lasted. It's been an honor.
Last edited by elevenism; 12-09-2023 at 12:16 PM.
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No he won't. Our memories can't be that short.
I was nobody. Nothing.
The problem is, old droogiwoog, is that there IS no more our/we.
Aside from a handful of swing...fucking COUNTIES, really, it's US and THEM.
And A.- THEY have the momentum. Furthermore, 2.-THEY fucking CHEATED.
As far as part A, well...Trump voters are PISSED: I'd wager that the indictments are a big part of why he's in the lead. They're also mostly WOEFULLY misinformed, and at the very least, likely don't know every extant right wing think tank and hidden hand alt-right supervillain have converged to turn their useful idiot cartoon mascot into a literal borderline puppet god-king, as the people who can read good and stuff ACTUALLY restructure the gvmt to their liking, end Posse Comitatus, etc. I mean jesus, dude. And the ones who DO know...well, they fucking LIKE it. I've seen horrific examples of people who WANT us moving towards a dictatorship.
2. Cheating:
They've rigged the fucking swing states through years of implementation of voter suppression and gerrymandering. Hell, TX was EXPECTED to be purple by now. NOT ANYMORE.
And @Pillfred , idk about the 18-24 crowd SPECIFICALLY, but I know Trump is beating Biden with prospective voters under 30.
Yes, some of these kids are cool and politically literate and such, but a LOT of them are drawn to trump because he's bombastic. Like, I've a bisexual (read-gay), half Mexican (looks whole Mexican), atheist cousin in his early 20s who eats mushrooms and ecstasies, and looooooooves trump. I asked him why, and he said "well, I mean, he KICKS ASS, dude.' And I was like " yeah, but what particular policy issues draw you to him, and the right in general?" "It's that he fucking RULES, cuz!"
All I know for GODDAMN sure is that we HAVE TO pull this off, SOMEHOW.
And if we don't? There're fucking more of us than there are of them, irl: Republicans shouldn't have a CHANCE, federally, like, AT ALL, based on simple fucking math.
So IF we don't ? If we don't pull this off? I've a feeling it may be My Violent Heart up in this bitch.
And I am DEAD ass serious. They call themselves Patriots, as they try to REMOVE freedom, en masse, and drastically change our system of gvmt? I could see...well, let's just say it wouldn't be pretty.
Last edited by elevenism; 12-12-2023 at 02:20 PM.
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If it comes down to him and Biden again he might though. If the kids come out to vote Biden could pull it off but as close as it was last time idk. Things are pretty wild right now.
The fact that these two are even the main options right now is absurd. Even beyond the next election I don’t see it getting any better for a while.
The above post about Trump people being all, “but Biden, economy etc, is stuff I hear all the time around my family.
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there's a certain individual that, if Trump were to select him as his running mate, would ensure victory.
I will not break the seal and tempt the devil by actually saying his name.
I just hope Trump's ego gets in the way of it ever happening
But really, who Trump picks as his running mate could make a huge difference here. Don't let your imagination run too wild.
Last edited by Jinsai; 12-12-2023 at 12:19 AM.
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That's the thing though @elevenism , he doesn't kick ass in any way. Forget his policies and leadership and whatever, disregard his narcissism and dangerous ignorance, grifting, blah blah blah... Let's just look at him as cool... like, someone who fucking RULES
I was nobody. Nothing.
You know DAMN WELL that I'M a fucking borderline MILITANT leftist.
I enjoy the Weather Underground, and have a complicated fondness for Mr. Carlos the Jackal, ffs.
I was just Presenting, for Your Approval, what a youngster...again, a LGBTQ, Mexican, BLOOD relative of mine thinks. And, he'll be going to the polls, along with his cohort of bad hombres...you know, like, upper middle class, coddled Coheed and Cambria and Ax7 fans (of which he appears to be the token Mexican-i mean, they call him Beans).
@Jinsai , please tell me you didn't read that as me saying that I PERSONALLY have ANY sort of positive opinion of Captain Donald J. Asshole.
Did you think i'd turned heel in the few months i wasn't here every day?
Good god...i know i didn't finish my degree, but i'd like to think my rants and ramblings haven't become THAT fucking incomprehensible.
Jesus, man, i'm still trying to write the Great American...book of poems for people who like Cummings and Dickinson, combined with blatantly whiny, nihilistic sadboy nonsense (who can read good). :P
Last edited by elevenism; 12-12-2023 at 02:37 PM.
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My money is on a Trump/Haley ticket. She would provide "legitimacy" and maybe help him with women voters.
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No @elevenism , I'm not saying you've got that perspective, I just don't get how anyone could... like wear a t-shirt with his mug shot on it, get a fucking tattoo of his leathery face, wrap your car in a photo of Trump with Rambo abs and a machine gun...
The guy is such a dork. His favorite song is YMCA, and when he "dances" he looks like grandpa got drunk and is making fun of hip hop gestures again. There's nothing cool about being a republican, full stop right there... but all the nepotism, grifting, racism, misogyny, stupidity, narcissism, whatever, but there's NO excuse for his fucking dancing.
I was nobody. Nothing.
Dude, i think i have an idea.
It's HARD to grasp, i know. But keep in mind...i've found the main nerve.
I live in LITERALLY the reddest district in the country...before the most recent gerrymandering monkeyfuckery, but, still...it was, as such, as of a year or two ago, and i've been here since, well...since i changed from eleven11 to elevenism, so...fuck me, going on eleven years.
AND, i did most of my growing up in Dallas: the only spot i've ever been in that spawned SOME long haired, dope shooting, guitar rockers, die hard hip hoppers, D&B bumping candy flipping ravers, and LITERAL gangbangers, who skewed to the right...and i said SOME, but the very fact that such people exist, baffles me.
I wrote you a damn essay, but i deleted it. The bottom line, though, i'd say, is that mostly, people don't know what they're voting for.
And as far as the KIDS? Dude, what is counterculture, in a culture with an (actually INTOLERANT) media that gives the APPEARANCE that tolerance won? That the left WON? With a presidential race wherein the dude who actually MAY give a shit appears to be a boring old fucker, and the other dude is calling people names and being as disruptive as fuck?
What would SEEM to be the punk rock stance in that situation: to follow the cat with ethics and decorum, or the one who, ostensibly, doesn't give a fuck?
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