Random NIN Questions

[theimage13]

Log into the store and see if it says fulfilled next to your order - if it says fulfilled it's shipped

Assuming you mean the nin.com store....I don't have an account to log into. When I try the "forgot password" option it says that there's no account with that email address that I ordered the EP with.

[Disassociative]

Assuming you mean the nin.com store....I don't have an account to log into. When I try the "forgot password" option it says that there's no account with that email address that I ordered the EP with.

ahh crap. That complicates matters a little.

[alfonso99]

Does anyone have any recommendations of concerts from the Further Down The Spiral tour to listen to off the top of their heads? (preferably one with I Do Not Want This - I've only heard 2009 performances of it) There's only a few shows on the Best Recordings of the Last 20 Years from the Further Down The Spiral leg none of which have I Do Not Want This.

Just asking because all the concerts I have downloaded are soundboards or FM recordings (or video audio rips) which when you think about it makes up a very small portion of the live archive.

Houston 10/31/1994. it's on the bootleg called Love it to Death.

[WorzelG]

Is it just me or has a bunch of stuff in the tour news and discussion thread been archived? I was looking to read the discussions of how the 2013 tour was gradually announced and there are only 11 threads in there now.
EDIT ignore me, I've just realised in the show thread options it was set to just the last year!

[Ryan Tollefson]

Assuming you mean the nin.com store....I don't have an account to log into. When I try the "forgot password" option it says that there's no account with that email address that I ordered the EP with.

Create a new account, using the email you used when you purchased. You should get your purchase info then.

I had the same problem.


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[Leviathant]

A handful of pics from that version of nin.com are from the scrapped footage.


A gold mine treasure trove is an understatement!


HA! I knew I read it before, so I dug it up ;-) Sad that those old links of yours are dead though...I'd like to have the files, as well as read the detailed story!

Found the detailed story, and I'd upload it except it appears as though my FTP login on the Hotline no longer works (I've put in a ticket.)

6/29/99
Xott visits the mIRC DALnet channel #nin99 (where all the information for this page is discovered and compiled), but his IP address is traced back to nothingstudios.com. this person, whoever he/she was, was obviously not the Xott we all know...
6/30/99
While making observations about the nin.com lyrics, an unfamiliar face appears in the #nin99 DALnet channel. a member of the channel discovers a directory at www.nin.com/fragile. unlike all other directories at nin.com, this one is not forbidden. upon observation it contained 3 zip files which contained .aiff files. these files turned out to be noise samples not heard anywhere before. after talking about this in the #nin99 channel, the previously mentioned unfamiliar face disappeared. his name was ninheae and when he returned it was ninhed. upon tracing his IP, we found that it led straight back to nothingstudios.com. when we all went back to www.nin.com/fragile, the files were gone. ninhed disappeared soon after.

-trace of ninhed's IP to nothingstudios.com

1 112 ms 116 ms 89 ms blvmax2.mvp.net [209.96.64.11]
2 93 ms 88 ms 90 ms border0.blv.mvp.net [209.96.64.5]
3 115 ms 121 ms 119 ms 209.96.19.241
4 140 ms 117 ms 116 ms Core1.900walnut.net [209.96.2.146]
5 122 ms 132 ms 102 ms 199.217.251.141
6 144 ms 115 ms 138 ms vcp1.stl1.verio.net [129.250.16.129]
7 127 ms 126 ms 155 ms stl1.ord2.verio.net [129.250.3.137]
8 117 ms 132 ms 144 ms ord2.ord0.verio.net [129.250.2.25]
9 224 ms 170 ms 178 ms ord0.sea2.verio.net [129.250.2.221]
10 184 ms 179 ms 189 ms sea2.sea3.verio.net [129.250.2.230]
11 206 ms 178 ms 181 ms sea3.pao6.verio.net [129.250.3.89]
12 180 ms 188 ms 211 ms pao6.sjc2.verio.net [129.250.3.122]
13 180 ms 175 ms 180 ms sjc2.sjc0.verio.net [129.250.3.77]
14 270 ms 277 ms 285 ms sjc0.new0.verio.net [129.250.3.42]
15 280 ms 264 ms 267 ms new0.new1.verio.net [129.250.3.34]
16 264 ms 254 ms 277 ms new1.vgs1.verio.net [129.250.16.26]
17 260 ms 256 ms 271 ms F0-0-NEC03.la.verio.net [204.27.64.74]
18 274 ms 300 ms 270 ms nothingstudios-gw.nothingstudios.com [204.0.249.
149]
19 335 ms 307 ms 298 ms 204.27.89.239

Trace complete.

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop>

I've also got the "files" subfolder. Nothing of note there - lyrics to song that we were able to transcribe from very small images posted to nin.com, as well as transcriptions of the Macromedia Shockwave stuff that was on the pre-TDTWWA-era nin.com.

I'll get both uploaded as soon as I get access to my own server again

[Leviathant]

Related:

6/30/99
Besides the three Shockwave Flash teasers at nin.com, two other clips of NIN material previously unreleased have surfaced on the internet. One, a 43 second clip with slow pounding drums and buzzy guitars, is a clip of the Nine Inch Nails cover song started back in '95, Metal, written first by Gary Numan. If you haven't found it yet, you shouldn't be reading this. Origins point to the bulletin board now linked to by nin.com, but the clip was released by a fellow posting to alt.music.nin.
Also released, a clip of the first two teasers from NIN.com with about 20 seconds of extended material not found elsewhere. This was leaked by one Ironpig, who's IP pointed back to TRENTGATEWAY@nothingstudios.com.
Apparently there are a total of four leaked clips on the net. It is assumed that Metal is one of them. The other three haven't showed up, and could even just be a hoax.

The teasers being referenced in the second line were "The Way Out Is Through"

I remember that the clip of Metal sounded like it was ripped while someone was shaking the CD-ROM.

[neveroddoreven]

concerning the unofficial art for the 2006 radio shows:

why isn't there art for the chicago show? @ninlive ?

didn't even know this existed until this year... so, thanks to @ninjaw for that...

[bwary]

Found the detailed story, and I'd upload it except it appears as though my FTP login on the Hotline no longer works (I've put in a ticket.)



I've also got the "files" subfolder. Nothing of note there - lyrics to song that we were able to transcribe from very small images posted to nin.com, as well as transcriptions of the Macromedia Shockwave stuff that was on the pre-TDTWWA-era nin.com.

I'll get both uploaded as soon as I get access to my own server again

History like that is awesome! Thanks for finding it and sharing!

[bwary]

concerning the unofficial art for the 2006 radio shows:

why isn't there art for the chicago show? @ninlive?

didn't even know this existed until this year... so, thanks to @ninjaw for that...

You mean this one?

[ninlive]

concerning the unofficial art for the 2006 radio shows:

why isn't there art for the chicago show? @ninlive?

I dunno?? Email me some cool artwork and I'll post them with it.

[SM Rollinger]

That one is cool, but IDK something about that look on Tronts face...

[Leviathant]

HA! I knew I read it before, so I dug it up ;-) Sad that those old links of yours are dead though...I'd like to have the files, as well as read the detailed story!

I've updated most of the links at the 99 hotline archive. I haven't find 100101-1.zip just yet, nor do I think I have the three teasers (which were just SWF files that played clips from Anomaly/The Way Out Is Through)

[Pyract]

I've updated most of the links at the 99 hotline archive. I haven't find 100101-1.zip just yet, nor do I think I have the three teasers (which were just SWF files that played clips from Anomaly/The Way Out Is Through)

I have the three teasers:
http://www.nindestruct.com/nin.com/grids/one.swf
http://www.nindestruct.com/nin.com/grids/one2.swf
http://www.nindestruct.com/nin.com/grids/one3.swf

[Leviathant]

I have the three teasers:
http://www.nindestruct.com/nin.com/grids/one.swf
http://www.nindestruct.com/nin.com/grids/one2.swf
http://www.nindestruct.com/nin.com/grids/one3.swf

Thank you!

[sick among the pure]

So, I was in my local mall today for an assignment, and stopped in FYE just to see if they had any NIN I could cheaply and easily plug the few holes I have left in with.
The ONLY NIN they had was a cd that I instantly thought was fishy as fuck, as I'm pretty sure I've seen posts around here talking about how it's a readily available radio recording? Nine Inch Nails and David Bowie : Back In Anger. Am I remembering that this is pretty much a bullshit release?

[seasonsinthesky]

So, I was in my local mall today for an assignment, and stopped in FYE just to see if they had any NIN I could cheaply and easily plug the few holes I have left in with.
The ONLY NIN they had was a cd that I instantly thought was fishy as fuck, as I'm pretty sure I've seen posts around here talking about how it's a readily available radio recording? Nine Inch Nails and David Bowie : Back In Anger. Am I remembering that this is pretty much a bullshit release?

Yep, it's a bootleg. The Bowie boots have been spreading like mad since he died.

[Jon]

Yep, it's a bootleg. The Bowie boots have been spreading like mad since he died.

You need to make your money fast! Hell, it doesn't even matter if you have the proper tracklist:

[Disassociative]

You need to make your money fast! Hell, it doesn't even matter if you have the proper tracklist:

*looks at tracklist* *eyelid twitches*

It looks very nicely put together otherwise

[Leviathant]

HA! I knew I read it before, so I dug it up ;-) Sad that those old links of yours are dead though...I'd like to have the files, as well as read the detailed story!

Hey, I found 1001101-1.zip and uploaded it.

It unzips to a 28mb AIFF file, but there's no way it's actually audio. Viewed in a Hex Editor like HxD, you can see that it's mostly null bytes, periodically broken up by 256 bytes of 7F (0111 1111)

Who's up for cracking a 18 year old puzzle?

[WorzelG]

Did Trent record new vocals for any of the Coil remixes? Thinking specifically of the 'love me' part in Closer (Unrecalled)

[fillow]

^^
I think it's more likely that he just gave Coil guys some alt/unused parts from original album sessions

[bwary]

unlike all other directories at nin.com, this one is not forbidden. upon observation it contained 3 zip files which contained .aiff files. these files turned out to be noise samples not heard anywhere before.

are the zip files on your server the original zip files that were in the nin.com/fragile directory? Two reasons I ask. 1. because 101101-11.zip and 1001101-10.zip are mp3 instead of aiff as originally mentioned. 2. because 101101-11.zip is 1001101-11.mp3. Just wanted to ask if these are 100% original.

I don't know anything about music editing, but an idea that came to mind while reading up on aiff is that the aiff file is some sort of data file to be loaded into a mixing/editing suite? Did anyone ever try to open it with Apple Loops?

[seasonsinthesky]

Did anyone ever try to open it with Apple Loops?

Did Apple Loops even exist in 1998-1999? Even if they did, they still require audio in the file, and none of its tagging features create sound data (which these are, correct? I only checked out the initial Merzbow-y ones posted weeks ago).

[Jon]

Hey, I found 1001101-1.zip and uploaded it.

It unzips to a 28mb AIFF file, but there's no way it's actually audio. Viewed in a Hex Editor like HxD, you can see that it's mostly null bytes, periodically broken up by 256 bytes of 7F (0111 1111)

Who's up for cracking a 18 year old puzzle?

It appears the .aiff file is cut on a sector boundary, data chunk block-aligned (29400036+8 bytes) and is CDDA quality (with a probability of 100%). There's also these:

[bwary]

Not until 2005 I think. But seeing as this file was created in Logic (pre-apple acquisition), I would guess Apple Loops could read some info if it were there to read.

I'm reading the AIFF audio format specifications... wish I could follow up on this:





Because Windows can't properly convert the timestamp:

[Leviathant]

The AIFF format is, like a WAV format, just PCM audio data preceded by a header.

The thing is, the raw data is mostly null values. In HxD, there's an analysis tool that will show you graphical representation of the byte/character distribution - and with audio, you'll get a smooth, U-shaped pattern. (I don't know why, I just noticed that this is a thing). Running the same analysis on this data, there's just two non-00 characters that exist in the entire document, so it is definitely not PCM-encoded audio data.

[Leviathant]

are the zip files on your server the original zip files that were in the nin.com/fragile directory? Two reasons I ask. 1. because 101101-11.zip and 1001101-10.zip are mp3 instead of aiff as originally mentioned. 2. because 101101-11.zip is 1001101-11.mp3. Just wanted to ask if these are 100% original.

The MP3s are not original. Unfortunately, this was 1999. I was working off a two-year-old IBM Thinkpad (166mhz?) running Windows 95 and it *might* have had a gig of hard drive space, and the Hotline had bandwidth caps. The only reason that AIFF was ZIP and not MP3 is because zip compressed it better than MP3 (because it's not audio data) - I did a lot of data juggling back then, burning what I could to CD, and frequently ran out of free space on my hard drive.

[Disassociative]

This is an oddly specific question again - does anybody else have trouble playing the bluray copy of Another Version of the Truth/The Gift in certain devices? It works fine in my PS3, PC but at about the half way mark between Pinion and half way through Survivalism it'll just freeze when playing on my Xbox One S I got to replace the PS3 recently either by skipping to those songs, fast forwarding to them, selecting them from the menu or just playing til that point.

[pinata89]

This is an oddly specific question again - does anybody else have trouble playing the bluray copy of Another Version of the Truth/The Gift in certain devices? It works fine in my PS3, PC but at about the half way mark between Pinion and half way through Survivalism it'll just freeze when playing on my Xbox One S I got to replace the PS3 recently either by skipping to those songs, fast forwarding to them, selecting them from the menu or just playing til that point.

I have had issues playing regular non-bluray DVD's on my Xbox One as well. Haven't tried this specific DVD, but definitely had issues with others. A solution that sometimes works for me (albeit, irritating) is to uninstall and reinstall the Bluray app on your system.


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